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I find Rumpel interesting in the moment like when he is used as a plot device to help Emma or help Regina i find him very interesting. I think his episodes have not been interesting. And i think Desperate Souls was badly written and badly acted. Skin Deep was much better, but still slow at times. The scenes with Rumpel and the Queen are epic though.
I don’t hate the character though. That just isn’t true.
[adrotate group="5"]I think that Mary did tell Emma what Regina said. Right? I know they didn’t show it, but Emma was already aware that Regina was going after Mary. I am not sure.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
But I’m confused as to why you label Rumpel a coward for running away from war (a war that asks young children to kill), but the criticize him for killing the knights at the end of episode. So, it’s ok for him to kill in a war, but not to kill for his son? Personally, being a coward or refusing to fight another man’s war doesn’t translate into being a coward. Why risk your own life for another man’s war when you can risk it for the life of your child.
Because Rumpel did not have to kill those soldiers. He could have just sent them away. He was the dark one. He had the power. The guy was on his knees and was scared Rumpel could have just sent him away. He didn’t. He killed them. That is the difference between killing them and running away during the war. And sometimes you have to stand and fight. We don’t know the situation though except that he ran, people died, and he is considered a coward for it.
I think there is no chance that Cora is Bae’s mother.
@Midnight Dreary wrote:
And of course we don’t what his motivations are. That’s been done on purpose. It’s not because the writers are confused about his character, it’s because the show needs to last longer than 1 season, so they stretch the story out. He’s hundreds of years old, has a lot history and mythology to tell, and is the creator oft he curse. So naturally, it’s going to take longer to tell his story than the Evil Queen’s or any of the other characters for that matter.
I think the writers have an idea why Rumpel is doing what he is doing, but i don’t think it is going to be any more interesting that what was between Snow and Regina. It is probably going to be because he thinks Bae is dead or something like that or just because he is the dark one and that is it. I haven’t found Rumpel’s backstory interesting so far because on one hand they try to say that even as the dark one he is still a guy who is in control of his choices, but then everyone says that he is the dark one and that is why he does all this evil.
And Emma and Snow may have done the wrong things in some cases, breaking and entering, taking the potion, but that is a long way from Rumpel’s murder and trading for babies.
And i am going to ask again. What good has Rumpel done? What is this good?
I think that Geppetto just left Gold’s shop. If you look at all the photos. There is one of Geppetto leaving the shop and August is behind him.
I just don’t see how it is biased to say that the bad guy is a bad guy. And i have no feeling about that of anger or disgust because he is just a character. The word prejudiced just has a lot of connotations of feeling that i don’t think about Rumpel at all because he is just a character on a show and not a real person. I am actually much more disturbed by the Evil Queen and do think that she is always going to do evil. Like whenever she gets too close to a character like Gretel, or Hansel and Gretel’s father, or Kathryn, i am afraid she is going to take their heart and am extremely creeped out when she touches someone like when she grabbed Mary’s hand and when she grabbed her face. It is like when Voldemort hugged Draco at the end of the last HP film.
Whereas with Rumpel you never know what he is going to do partially because we have no idea of his motivation. We haven’t seen enough of his past so we can only guess at this point. We have seen the incident where he became the dark one, but nothing before that. We can only guess based on what they said and based on who he was at the point he became the dark one. I just didn’t see a good man at that point. And it is so hard because i think that episode is so poorly written to even guess. I feel that i am talking in circles. We need more information. Maybe Rumpel will talk about his past in the next episode a bit more.
And maybe at some point they will show his past and what happened with Bae’s mother and what happened with him running away during the war. Or maybe he will just talk about it in the next episode. We will see.
Probably if you push quote and then copy and paste it into the reply box for the other topic that would work. Does that make sense?
It is just a fake character. I am not prejudiced against him because that is impossible because he is a fake character. I like him as a character. There is no reason to get personal about this. I just think he is evil. I will repeat what i said. He was a coward. He burned down the count’s house. And her murdered the dark one. All before he was the dark one. And they suggested that he may have done something to his wife and the show said that he may have taken Bae from someone because he Bae might not have been his son suggesting that his mother may have been messing around with someone else. And becoming the dark one did not make Rumpel a murderer. He was willing to murder the original dark one before that so i think it stands to reason that if he thought he could get away with killing those guards before he was the dark one he would have done it.
I am not sorry that i think Rumpel is evil. He isn’t a real person. Just a character in a show. I have no feeling at all about him except for how i think the character works for the show. I just think he is an evil character for the show. This is simply a difference of opinion. Some people think that Rumpel will be an ultimate good guy who will save the day in the end. I just don’t.
And i am asking it again. What is good about Rumpel? What is this good that everyone sees? Because i don’t see it. I see one of the villains of the story. And still an interesting villain with bits of gray and one who cares for his child in some way even though it isn’t quite right and he cared for Belle in some way even though it wasn’t quite right. Still a villain though and an interesting character.
I just don’t see any difference between the pre dark one Rumpel then the one after. He was a coward, he was willing to burn down the count’s house, he was willing to murder the dark one and he did not listen to his son who said that he would go with the men and fight. The difference is that he couldn’t kill those men before he became the dark one. I think he wanted to which is why he killed them right after he became the dark one. I don’t think it seems to have made him a different man just more powerful and more confident.
And i think that it is all guess work that the war was not a good war or that it was not necessary to take every solider possible. And the episode is badly written so that doesn’t help the situation. Like why not take the parents instead of the children? And there was also slight suggestions that Rumpel may have done something to Bae’s mother and that Rumpel may have stolen Bae.
I just don’t see what is good there. There may be a sympathetic character in Rumpel and i think we saw that more after he became the dark one. He seemed much more sympathetic in Skin Deep where you do feel sorry that he is such a mess and just doesn’t know how to act around people and is so paranoid about Queen that he treats Belle terribly. Though those were all his choices. I haven’t really seen Rumpel do anything good so far.
I think that i just have a difference of opinion. It seems that a lot of people see Rumpel wanting to burn down the count’s castle and kill the dark one as an appropriate response to his son being sent to the war. I just don’t think it was. I don’t think Regina’s response was appropriate either towards Snow or what killing her father to do the curse or sending Hansel and Gretel into the blind witch’s house for the apple or using the Genie to kill Snow’s father.
I just think that the difference is that we don’t have any clue what Rumpel is playing at whereas we know the Queen’s motivation. Rumpel just seems like a rabid dog that is doing evil for the sake of doing evil with no purpose at all possibly because he is bored. And i think a lot of people don’t really think what Snow did was enough for Regina to go off the deep end though i think there is still more to their story then what we have seen so far.
What exactly is good about Rumpel? I just think he is an evil character. That doesn’t mean there aren’t shades of gray, but i would consider him just as evil as Regina.
I still feel the same way about Pinocchio. If Geppetto sends Pinocchio to the real world through the wardrobe i will be disappointed. If he does so without telling Snow and Charming that is even worse. If Geppetto sends Pinocchio out into the real world, which as of now we don’t even know that the fairytale characters know that is where Emma is going to go, then Geppetto had better not send him through the wardrobe. In the pilot Snow did not know where they were going to go when the Curse happened or where Emma went when she went through the wardrobe. And that is fine because there is a prophecy that Emma will come back to them and save them, but there is nothing like that for Pinocchio, so to send him to who knows where with countless worlds and hoping that Geppetto will find him again seems bizarre.
