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I think Henry being in his full mind and the show being about why he decided to leave the magic world is much more interesting. It is Henry actually making a choice.
I totally agree with this. I think it would make it interesting if something happened and he lost Lucy’s mother for reasons pertaining to magic. If he were estranged from his family because of heartbreak, that would be a good building block for instant conflict… Of course I also think it would be fun if Henry realised he needed a specific skill set to do whatever he has to do and calls home and this is the unlikely trio sent across the country to assist him. Heh. Hijinks ensue.
I agree. The idea of Henry giving up on the magical world because of something that happened with Lucy’s mother is interesting. He could still be in contact with Emma and Snow and Charming. Like you said, he could make a phone call and he could check in with them. Henry just not remembering them is not interesting for me.
[adrotate group="5"]Also, like i am all for Henry and Lucy’s mother fall in love again and their kiss doing something, i just don’t want them to fall in love again while not remembering that they fell in love the first time. Because they can now do all the complicated we split up and were apart for years and we have this kid and we parted badly real drama that they meant to do it just touched on, they could now do it. Their could be good depth there with interesting choices made and interesting reasons, so make the show about that, not oh they were cursed.
As to why they keep doing memory wipes, i think that the writers have somehow forgot that they should hide things from the audience, not from the characters. The moment we, the audience, know something, it needs to come out on the show. On screen. In Season 1 they had all of these weird cryptic moments where we didn’t know what was going on, like all the hints about who Red was or that weird scene where Rumpel was digging in the forest. There were tons of these things. Then in Season 3B when we meet Zelena we immediately know she is evil and we very quickly know who she is and yet the main characters interact with her like complete morons for half the season. That doesn’t work. It is like they have forgotten how to do mystery.
Unless Henry doesn’t remember them either. He could be cursed too. I feel that Lucy is going to take on the Henry role of this season, trying to convince Henry to believe in magic and remember who he is. A gender flipped Season 1.
That would mean that no one would have their real memories besides the new characters and all of the drama from that would just vanish the second the characters regained their memories. That would be fake drama that would have no consequences because it is based on fake memories and it would vanish the moment their memories reappeared. I think Henry being in his full mind and the show being about why he decided to leave the magic world is much more interesting. It is Henry actually making a choice. All good writing is fundamentally about good and evil and choice, and if you take out the choice then it is much less interesting. And that is what this show has been doing for seasons. The characters have their memories wiped so they act stupid for awhile until they get them back.
I think the flawed, realistic, human being who is trying to do the right thing, but doesn’t always is more interesting. The show being about how those choices effect the people around them is much more interesting then just oh they are cursed, again and didn’t know what they were doing until Lucy gets her parents to fall in love again for the second time and kiss and then their memories are returned and all the drama is gone instantly is not great. They could instead have real drama about why Lucy’s mother left Henry or why Henry left her and have it be about those real choices.
That is the biggest plus is they can now start over with new characters who we don’t know about and let us see them make some good and bad choices and see how those choices effect each other. They have a clean slate. I just don’t know if they get that part of writing anymore.
The problem is that if they waste an entire season or even a half with Henry interacting with cursed versions of the others then that is pretty pointless. It isn’t like with Emma when she came to town and interacted with Snow and Charming, who were cursed, because Emma didn’t have a relationship with them yet and we were seeing the build of that relationship.
Henry has a relationship with these characters and any drama that would be created would all just be gone the moment their memories were returned, so it would all be meaningless.
If there is going to be a memory issue then it shouldn’t last more then three episodes.
that are heroes and not villains
Hmmmm, idk. I think the villains have been such a huge success on this show that A&E are probably going to continue having villains get their backstories and redemption stories and focus on them as main or supporting characters. Even now, I think Lucy’s mom is going to the villain/darkness/thing we saw burst through the door at the beginning of the last episode. The villains are just too deliciously evil but most importantly….a lot of them are just plain fun.
I would agree that it is good guess that Lucy’s mother is possibly the evil that burst through the door at Henry as well. That could be the reason he walked away from the magical world. I just don’t find that interesting and i would find Henry’s love interest being a villain to be the same old same old that doesn’t work. I think that the villains are the worst written characters on this show though people may disagree. Regina and Hook have caused the most inconsistencies and Rumpel has remained static for far too long.
We will see, i guess.
For me, the biggest positive is that there are brand new characters that are heroes and not villains that are hopefully going to get a lot of development. They are going to have to give Lucy’s mother a backstory and that could be interesting.
My entire point is that they haven’t written a good story in like three years. That is my point. And the little we know about Season 7 is that Henry was out of character when he answered the door which leads to the idea that he has a memory problem. Lana said that their characters will be a little bit different then they used to be which suggests they are either past versions or cursed. If they are their real selves then we know that Regina, Rumpel, Henry, and Hook are not in Storybrooke and are therefore away from their families.
All of this information suggests the possibility of just another curse, just another memory problem, and that is not interesting. That is not new just because there will be some new characters. It is the same old bad writing with different characters. We don’t even know if there are going to be more new regulars then Lucy and her mother. I am not convinced because the little bit we know seems like the same old same old.
They are still planning the season though, so i am not even sure that the writers know where they are going right now or they didn’t when they did all those interviews. We just need more information that actually suggests they are doing something different.
I am sitting here trying to think of what character points i want them to go into next season and because we know so little it is hard to figure out.
If Henry has his memories then why is he in Seattle? Why did he answer the door like that? Why does he seem to not believe? Did he purposefully turn his back on the magical world? Did too much bad happen and he needed to get a break from it? Why in the world would Henry leave his daughter after he grew up not knowing about his biological parents? Did Henry love Lucy’s mother? Where did they meet? How did they breakup? If Henry loved this woman then why didn’t they just be together? Why would Henry leave her or she leave Henry? Did Henry not know that Lucy ever existed? That still doesn’t explain why Henry would shut the door in the face of a girl who has just knocked and said she was his daughter just like he did to Emma as a child. That leads me to believe that Henry does not have his memories, though it is just as likely that Henry is just being played out of a character in this scene because the actor doesn’t know what happened on the show and the writers and directors are not very good. But maybe Henry does not have his memories which would be a very simplistic problem that would just be fixed deus ex machina and is therefore boring. That just leads to Henry has somehow been magically made to forget his life in Storybrooke and his daughter and is just there to be pulled into the story by Lucy and he will probably kiss her mother at some point and his memories will return aka that is boring.
This is the problem. I just don’t know. We don’t know enough about the next season. We know pretty much nothing. I am just not convinced. Either we have Henry making decisions that take him away from the magical world and Lucy and her mother and the second is just more magical nonsense causing havoc. We will see.
Also, the new character, Lucy’s mother, needs to be compelling and really has to fill the void that has been left by the loss of all the main female heroines on the show. Why did she leave Henry and keep Lucy from him? There needs to be reasons why she decided to do what she did.
And I would just counter by saying all those characters they introduced, like Aladdin and Jafar and Jasmine, were not the main players of the story. The story still had to revolve around the main characters whose stories had gotten stale. But, you take away those stale characters, establish new ones as major players who can do whatever they want without it affecting the old character’s prior and current story lines, and I think you could potentially have a cohesive compelling story again, just like Wonderland, where Jafar was basically the major player along with new characters like Alice and Cyrus and Will and Ana, all of whom they could mesh their stories with Jafar’s more seamlessly bc they were all new characters and were starting from scratch. OUAT always prided itself on bringing in classic fairy tale characters and turning their story on it’s side to incorporate it into their show. But I actually think that after season 3a, this ended up being the show’s weakness. They actually became really bad at incorporating new characters into the show bc the old characters on the show had gotten so stale and the new characters were never given the spotlight to have the freedom to write a compelling story. Listen, season 7 could still suck, but I do think getting rid of characters like Snowing, Emma, Zelena, etc. can open the door for new characters that potentially won’t get bogged down by old character’s story lines.
Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar had nothing to do with the story. That is the point. They wasted episodes upon episodes with characters and random things that created no character growth and no movement for the plot points. The main characters are not stale because they have been hanging around too long. It has only been six seasons. That is like nothing. The characters are boring because the writers of this show do not know how to write character. The writers don’t know what is interesting about characterization. They don’t know how to show the audience how people tick and use that to further the plot. They don’t know how to make a character feel like a real person. All of the good characterization that exists in this show began in Season 1 and they haven’t added a good character since then.
The problem also being that Regina and Hook, two of the characters that caused the most inconsistencies for the show, as well as Rumpel who has barely changed at all, are still on the show boring the audience with their lack of movement.
Wasn’t it said that Lucy’s mother is a fairytale character? So are they just going to insert another fairytale character and think that that is fascinating in and of itself and offer no depth and flaws and realism to the character like they have done time and time again for seasons upon seasons. Are they just going to make her a princess and the darkness that is attacking them and think that is interesting? Because it isn’t.
I agree that starting over could be interesting, but in my opinion, they are not starting over.
I think that the writers used to know how to write a cohesive story, but they just don’t anymore. I think they are so worried about the show ending that they are thinking what gimmick can we use to try to get people to watch, what new princess or new twist or new trick, that they have completely lost sight of the fact that a show needs to have a story. They haven’t written character arcs with beginnings, middles, and ends since 3A and the character arcs should be the story.
They introduced Aladdin, Jasmine, and Jafar and they had nothing to do with what was going on with the characters except for a couple scenes where Aladdin talked to Emma about her saviorness. Even the savior problems and Emma supposedly meeting the villain that will kill her never happened. The land of untold stories was nothing. The special sword that could destroy Emma’s nemesis was just broken and gone. The sheers were used in a side plot with Regina’s double, but they didn’t even do a character arc with that double This being the final battle where Emma goes against her true villain never happened; Rumpel just killed the black fairy and Gideon became a baby. Regina not being in Emma’s vision and what that might mean was not a thing. The vision itself being completely different then what happened in real life makes no sense.
Pretty much the beginning had nothing at all to do with the end and that has been happening for seasons, so i am not convinced that they can do it again. At least not til they take a break and step away and actually realize what they are doing wrong. It is like they are just too far in and can’t even see what the problem is and there is just no excuse for it.
It has gotten so bad that it is just inexcusable.
