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I think that the way i see official promotional events is as part of an extension of the character. They are told what they can and cannot say. They are told where to stand. They are told who to take pictures with. It is part of Jennifer’s job to promote the show in that way. I don’t see that as lying, as much as just part of the job.
I also agree that how Jennifer feels is probably somewhere in the middle. She thinks that swanfire was the more interesting story, but she doesn’t hate captain swan or anything. I also think that we have to take into consideration that there was this entire season where Hook was not Emma’s love interest and Jennifer as well as the rest of the cast and Eddy and Adam talked about that character in a very different way.
As i said, i wouldn’t call what Jennifer does lying. It is no more lying then a waiter being polite and smiling at a costumer at a restaurant. Sometimes parts of jobs are behaving certain ways or saying certain things. It is no different as an actor and actually seems to be a lot more specifically scripted at times.
[adrotate group="5"]The catastrophic event is actually a terrorist attack (or something to that effect) that enables what is in essence an opportunistic military coup by right-wing religious fanatics who have been infiltrating different levels of the government over a longer period. I’d have to rewatch it, but I think that we learn from the episode before last that said terrorist attack was orchestrated by that same political group — as a kind of provocation.
I disagree. There was a terrorist attack, but that was, from what i understand of what is happening, a reaction to the catastrophic event which is that people are unable to have children. The rise of the cult was a reaction to the catastrophic even, people’s inability to have children. This caused the creation of this cult that is not right winged religious anything. They showed them destroying all the churches. This is a fanatical violent cult.
The inability — or difficulty — to have children is not an “event” per se, it’s a slow catastrophe, and humans generally react differently to slow catastrophe. We get a sense in the show that it’s the thing that gets used to justify the system put in place, but it’s not the catalyst for revolution. Though I agree that because we actually don’t know how much of the world is affected, it feels a bit too vague. As in, is the entire world affected or just the US (the first problem is a “species level” problem, and the argument can be made that since humans are severely overpopulating the planet, a decrease in fertility might not be a bad thing; if it’s localized, then it’s a geopolitical problem more than a global catastrophe).
It is a global issue. Their child is around 8 years old at the time they ran. It has been 3 years since then. At the time they gave birth to their child, the inability to have children was already happening. Their child was the only child on the ward and someone tried to steal her. That would mean this event has been happening for at the very least 15 years. The ambassador from that other country said that there hadn’t been a birth in their country in 7 years.
In some senses, the point of the story is not so much that this could happen, but that it’s already here in some form, and has been actively and obviously here in very recent history (in particular in relation to slavery and US racial politics more generally), with some women bearing the brunt of patriarchal power structures that seek to control their bodies, sexuality, and intellect, and others benefiting from it, but always only partially.
I don’t really want to go down the political rabbit hole in here. I just think that disagreement about issues is reasonable and the attempt to use the proper channels of politics to voice people’s will is reasonable and that discussion is of the highest value and all of the rhetoric in the United States right now on both sides of these debates that tries to quash discussion is just out of line. The world has changed in our lifetime. The language being used by a bunch of old men who don’t seem to understand that the world has changed does not scare me.
For me, i think, as i said, that discussion is of the greatest value and i think the discussion is alive and well and that part of that is that people get to think and say and try to push laws that i don’t agree with. That is their protected right, a right that i think is alive and well, and a right that i think needs to be protected above all else. We don’t protect it to protect the old white men; they don’t need our protection. We do it to protect the persons of color and the LGBT community and women and religious minorities.
To get back to the show, i just think there is a huge jump between rhetoric i find problematic and disagree with to a violent fanatical cult that has millions of people in it, has infiltrated the government, wants to destroy it through terrorism, and has these bizarre ritualistic sexual things going on that seem to have nothing to do with these people’s beliefs before the took over the government.
If they are trying to build a world where this could happen then they have to build the world and, as far as i am concerned, they have failed at that.
I take the show to be a meditation on power. As to the possibility of something like this happening in the US? If you look at the historical records of revolutions in different cultural contexts, it turns out that while historical hindsight it 20/20, contemporaries usually expressed the sentiment that “it could never happen here” until, inevitably, it did.
If they were suggesting that this cult blew up congress and took control of Boston and was now oppressing or murdering the people of a small area, i could accept that. But the show is suggesting that this cult took of the United States except for a couple of pockets in like Chicago and, i think they said, Alaska. They must have taken control of the army.
There is just a whole lot of world building that would be necessary for this world to exist for me and from what they have shown of the world before the event, there were less babies, protests about that, women lost their right to work, men took their money, their were protests, people shot in the streets, and they blew up the government and took over and yet the world before all this happened people were still doing normal things going out to dinner, writing books, working, going to the movies as if nothing was happening. I don’t see the place back in the past where this world is the United States. There is too much of a disconnect for me.
That is really rude. I do not want to go down that rabbit hole either. I just think it is unfair to have someone stating some rumors as fact especially in this thread where people might just be popping in to check on the facts of the spoilers.
Jennifer said in an interview she was not told the plot of Season 7 and did not make her decision not to return based on not liking the plot of the next season. She said that she was going to come back for one episode and that she thought it was the premiere. That is the actual information and that is all i am here stating. That that is what it can be proven that Jennifer said.
Even if Jennifer may decide in the future that she might come back for another episode, for a scene in one episode, that doesn’t change the fact that right now she has stated she is coming back for one episode and that she doesn’t know the plot of Season 7.
Jennifer Morrison is not going to be in a lot of episodes. I think it is pretty unlikely that it will be more then one.
I think it makes sense to bring her on but she has not been interesting until this season. I didn’t even realize she was in the other seasons. I imagine they will reinvent the character a bit.
I am still really having a problem with the character motivation on this show. I just don’t find the world to be realistic. They have to create a world where this could happen and they didn’t do that. They are trying to overlay this world as a possibility of happening in the United States, in Boston, no less. It just doesn’t work for me.
The more they show the backstory, where pretty much everyone seems to be against what is happening, everyone seems like a normal American except for the commander, his wife, and some crazies with guns. So one one side we have normal, majority, yet scared America, and on the other side there is this huge cult of people, in government, all across the country, with the ability to destroy congress, with the ability to keep it secret from most of America that there is this plot with what millions of people in it, with this ability to then control, destroy, most of America through violence, and yet this cult’s existence seems to have no effect on all the other people in the United States until this happens. That just doesn’t work. In Boston?
Once again from what we have seen, something catastrophic has happened, in that people cannot have children. That is the catastrophic event. That is the zombie apocalypse. That is the world ending event. What the world has become is supposed to be, i think, how America might react to the catastrophic event. I just don’t see this is a remotely realistic reaction in America to that occurrence.
I think June’s reaction to what is happening to her is the only thing i am finding compelling because i find the flashbacks to be unrealistic. I don’t care about Serena. Fred is a psychopath. Luke, who i like, was not introduced as a real character til recently and so i am not sure i am all that invested in his journey and i just don’t get really get what he is thinking except i want to save my wife and child.
I guess showing his escape is offering a way out and a place of safety and hope for the audience, but it wasn’t all that compelling to me. Showing June with her hopeful face at the end was the best thing about that episode.
I still think it is a little crazy that the writers have wiped out all of their world building in one go. The world building is the best part of this show and it is gone and that is crazy to me. It really feels like a mistake right now. I don’t really like the idea of them fighting people with technology. I liked the like lord of the flies way of the show more then people with guns, but we will see where they go with it. It is possible that this ship of prisoners docked with the ring and that Bellamy and the others are on that ship as well. I do like the idea of the grounders and skaikru being the wonkru and going against these new prisoners with technology, but not for it to just be all about the technology now. We will see, i guess.
I have mixed feelings about this. The grounder conflict was the meat of the show, but by the beginning of this season, it was beginning to grow old. So, I’m open to a new conflict next season. I just want it to be good.
I do agree that the grounder conflict was beginning to grow old, so it made sense to resolve that this season which they did, but they also wiped out everything else we know about the world too which is pretty insane. Though the thing that this show always does well is grow the world every year, so i am definitely willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. It just seems really insane and i am definitely on the fence about it.
Though, i am definitely of the mind that writing yourself into a corner is insanely interesting because then we get to watch what happens next. The Ouat writers always write scared, like they are too afraid to let go of things like the Evil Queen or the dark one power or Storybrooke and that is something that the 100 has never been afraid of. Real things happen to the characters that impact them as people like deaths and becoming leaders and killing people and loving people, and real things happen to the world that impact the environment in real ways, like destroying mount weather, dropping the arc, and now destroying Polis.
This show definitely has some major writing issues with the characters doing some bizarrely inconsistent things at time, like Clarke stealing the bunker and not wanting to open the door when Octavia won or just Bellamy’s entire storyline last season with him just shooting people and being with Pike. The world building is definitely the best part of this show and i like the characters even if they are at times inconsistent.
I am left wondering how many people in the bunker are going to be left alive. I hope they find a way to show us some of that somehow. I guess they will talk about it
I’m guessing Jaha is dead and we’ll find out how at some point. Along with deaths, I’m wondering about births. We know that Skaikru had restrictions on birth (one per family) because of limited resources. You gotta wonder if the Bunker and the Ring have something similar set up and how that actually went down with every one. I find it hard to believe Octavia wouldn’t have strong feelings about putting in that kind of mandate under ground.
Yeah, i hope we get some births too. I think that if they are going to do a six year jump then someone needs to have a five year old, otherwise why do it. They are pretty much doing a complete reset, so they need to do something really drastic.
I don’t like that, honestly. Star Trek should not be a mystery, in my opinion. It is about people and life and commentary on the world and not something as simplistic as a mystery. Flashbacks sometimes is fine, but not as an every week part of the show.
Eh. I’m with HJ and DarkOneDearie on this one. Leave Narnia alone. I flippin’ love it too and that’s why I want A and E to just leave it be. Knowing those guys, they’d make Jadis the White Witch out to be sympathetic because a guy broke her heart and so she turned everything to winter to match her cold and unloving heart and turn Aslan into a morally ambiguous hero who makes bad choices for good reasons. I already have a book series/TV show that takes Narnia mythology and dirties it up. The Magicians is doing just fine so A and E can just just move right on along.
Yeah, exactly. I just love Narnia. The books are amazing. Adam and Eddy are terrible writers and have no clue how to twist stories anymore, so just stay away. I definitely think they could have done things a lot better with like having objects like susan’s bow would have been interesting. They tried to do that with the dark one dagger by making it Excalibur, but then it was the holy grail too which was like eh that is a little weird. I think they needed to create a mythology like that, like where the lamp post came from in Narnia or how the mice started to talk, or where the wardrobe came from, all that deep world building which is pretty amazing for pretty short books and how the beginning and the end connect.
