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It is just a pretense though. They are all still mass murders and serial killers, and Regina, Zelena, and Hook are all rapists. The name thing doesn’t change that and they aren’t tricking the audience into thinking that they are different either. The audience doesn’t even want them to be different. The We Are Both thing never made any sense, even in the second season, and now it feels like the writers are kidding themselves.
It is just a symptom of the major writing issues on the show. The writers don’t get what is interesting. They don’t get what makes a good story. They don’t get what the audience wants. They don’t get the importance of the character’s history and layering their characters as they build their story. They just don’t know what they are doing and calling them these names is a symptom of that. I am in the fandom and they have said names before and i didn’t know who they were talking about.
They have four episodes left. I want to see Rumpel’s end and Regina’s end and Henry’s end. I want to see Alice and Robyn who know each other. Enough of this cursed, fake memories nonsense. The end is near, let’s show something that matters. And they did in this episode. This episode was about Rumpel, so people should not be calling him Weaver. It is Regina who would do anything for her son. It was Zelena in the last episode that we saw change. The pretense is pointless and distracting.
[adrotate group="5"]I completely forgot that Gothel’s storyline hadn’t already been finished. I just don’t care about her at this point at all.
I think it has always been possible that it would be Henry since he drove by on his bike right when Rumpel arrived. I don’t think the writers remember the whole Henry will be his undoing prophecy.
I said this last time, but Rumpel and Regina using their new fake names is just ridiculous. That should not be happening. It makes no sense at all and pulls me out of the scene every time it happens. I don’t like any of the characters who have their memories using the third fake names when they are talking to other people who also have their memories. It should stop right now.
Rumpel pointing a gun at someone seemed really silly to me. It just felt really out of character to me. Sure, Rumpel will threaten people or murder people, but not with a gun. I just can’t imagine that being his weapon of choice.
I have never been a Rumpel fan and i think his crying scenes are usually really badly done. I know many may disagree, but that is just how i feel. I thought this was only the second time where i felt that his crying scene worked and felt true to the emotion. The scene under the troll bridge where he was crying was good. I still think that they didn’t do a very good job making the obvious connection of Rumpel being a father who was separated from his son and whose son didn’t get to grow old while Alice is the child who was separated from her father and that Rumpel didn’t want to see her lose what Bae lost. How Bae lost the chance for a life and a love and to grow up with his true love and child and all that. The connection was too obvious to me and for them to not mention that seemed ridiculous. The only nod to that being Regina mentioning that Henry was Rumpel’s grandson.
The connection they made instead was that Rumpel lost his chance to grow old with his love because of the dagger and the immortality and that he didn’t want to do that to Alice, but it still felt slightly awkward because the Bae connection seemed much more on point.
The actual acting in the scenes though in this episode were solid and i liked the Alice and Rumpel scenes a lot, as well as the Rumpel and Regina scenes. The plot, world building, lack of building the narrative, lack of connecting to the history, was what was awkward and that is still the big writing problem that just can’t be fixed at this point. It is what it is.
So, while i am not a big Rumpel fan, if i take the fact that the show is just badly written out of it because of the story building problems, then this was a solid episode all by itself. Good moments.
I loved Alice and Robyn’s dates in Storybrooke. I liked the introduction of he fourth true love object. I, also, think they should have introduced their relationship at the beginning of the season and really leaned into it way back then because it’s great.
I still think that Henry learning that he is Lucy’s parent through a paternity test is just really stupid. It is just a piece of paper and there is no reason that someone couldn’t have just created that on a printer and calling the hospital is stupid and meaningless because we know a witch was holding that piece of paper. There is just no emotional resonance to that and i don’t care about it and i know people wanted Emma to do that with Snow and Charming in Season 1, but, for me, it just isn’t interesting this way. That curse needs to break already though and be done with because there is no mystery in that and trying to logic your way out of a situation when magic is involved and when people who have their memories are involved when Henry does not have his memories just doesn’t work.
That is a good idea. Maybe the immortality will offset the curse that Henry was given somehow. I really think the fact that Henry was riding by on his bike should be important.
I do think there is probably some sort of time differential. It makes sense with the spoilers. It’s stupid, but it makes sense with the spoilers.
I wonder if they dropped the whole they can’t call for help plot point. We just aren’t supposed to think about why they haven’t called Emma for help.
By the glass coffin. I cannot believe that this show has ended without a scene with Snow and Charming with Emma, Henry, and Regina by the glass coffin. If only they thought about what is interesting.
Anything can be revived. You never know when someone will feel a particular need to revisit something that was once on air. However, here are some rubs: –Shows that get revived are beloved. They aren’t revived just because of “writing mistakes.” Will and Grace and Rosanne did not get revived to fix what fans see as a writing mistake in the final episode/season. Will and Grace and Rosanne got revived because they are beloved sitcoms that were groundbreaking in the time of their inception (one for portrayals of the LGBT community and one for portrayals of low income families) –Shows do not get revived in order to fix large swaths of previously written material which may or may not be “wrong.” Fans decide what writing mistakes are; not networks or even the writers. At the time, the writers chose to do a massive flashforward for W/G and to have Dan die in Rosanne. These were fixed only AFTER the fact–only after fans and critics talked about how bad they are. –The writing mistakes of OUAT are only seen as mistakes by their fans; so far, the writers and critics have little to say about these so called mistakes. –When Will and Grace and Rosanne ended, they were still ratings juggernauts. Especially compared to today’s network ratings. When W/G ended, it got almost 19 million eyeballs after an entire season of 7-9 million viewers. OUAT hasn’t had that sort of viewership in years. Rosanne is the same. The idea that OUAT most likely will get revived is..bizarre, as of right now. There’s absolutely no call for it. ABC had it for seven years; they are ready to end it and move on to other things. They have no desire to revive a show that is currently getting a .4 in the demo. It’s not a ratings smash hit and it won’t be so close to it’s ending, were they to revive. If ABC is gonna revive anything, it would be LOST which is still mostly critically acclaimed, still holds a special place in the ABC history, and is still a groundbreaking TV show. In short: –OUAT is not beloved enough as it stands, right now, to get revived, at least not for years and years. –If OUAT were to get revived it wouldn’t be to fix what some perceive as writing mistakes but because there was a genuine need for OUAT’s stories again.
I agree with all your points, Rumpelsgirl. While i think there is no chance of a revival with the same actors, i think there is no chance that the actors who left will ever be on this show again, or the same producers or even with different producers. I would be a big fan of a reboot with different actors, different producers, but the same premise. The whole fairytale characters in the real world, who are real people, with a family focus, and twisting the stories all together, while still making them real people, is still a awesome idea and i would love it if someone would do it again.
Though, there have been lots of shows that have been versions of that over the years.
