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Exactly, the two original characters. The writers wrote three original characters, their new fairytale characters. They are Emma and Neal and their son, Henry. There is the simplicity of logic, the cohesion of story, the basic connection of the beginning of this story to the end. It makes no sense to try and suggest otherwise when it is so very blatantly obvious.
[adrotate group="5"]Hook and Charming have the best BROMANCE because of how much they have in common with each other.
We’ll have to agree to disagree, I as did many many others saw the set up in Tallahassee and personally I’m glad I saw what was correct. Sigh, Hook going to Neverland was about doing the right thing. It had nothing to do with getting into Emma’s pants and if that’s all Hook cared about he could have gotten all that much quicker then waiting for the finale to reveal he traded his home to get to Emma. Which is what he’s done once againYou actually weren’t correct about Tallahassee. The writers said multiple times that Emma was not a love interest. They changed their minds for Season 3. They said as much.
Everything you said about Neal in Tallahassee and Emma’s past with him is just completely made up. None of that happened in the actual show and is just a complete distortion of reality.
Well, i don’t think the writers care about the audience. They don’t care if people are waiting for a happy ending for certain characters. They have, after all, killed characters that people cared about in the past. I, also, don’t think we can think of in story reasons why it doesn’t make sense to keep some characters and lose others. I don’t get how they keep Regina and not keep Henry and therefore not keep Emma, but that doesn’t mean that they might not do that.
Yeah, i just don’t remember that at all. The other places i frequented about Ouat just didn’t have that. I remember talking a lot about Regina in Season 2 and how her being accepted was ridiculous. I don’t remember Hook being part of the discussion in that way because he was a villain. He was with Cora. Also, he was still pinning over Milah in Season 2. Like i said, i am sure it existed, it just wasn’t part of my experience of that season at all.
That is why i have a hard time really believing that it was all that vocal of a group because i was active in the fandom and it didn’t even exist for me. Not like now where there are a lot of posts about what people want to happen in show with Emma and Hook taking over the Ouat spoiler tag on tumblr. I still just remember the articles where news people would ask about Hook as if him being a love interest was viable and A&E and the cast just saying no all the time.
It is weird because i don’t remember there being any captain swan fans in Season 2. I mean i am sure they existed, but i never saw them anywhere i was at. I remember there being vocal reporters, which i still think is a part of why they did it, and i remember A&E making fun of that and saying that the ABC execs wanted Hook to be in scenes that he shouldn’t be in. I don’t remember people actually thinking Emma and Hook were going to be a couple. There might have been people that shipped them, but not people who thought it was actually a thing in the show.
I remember that all happening in Season 3 when the writers changed things and started lying about the meaning of things that happened in Season 2. I do remember people saying that Neal wasn’t attractive enough a lot which is so ridiculous.
I, also, imagined a long game with Emma and Neal and seeing them go back and forth and having to work on things right up til the end. Though, i also thought that Emma would have issues with her parents throughout the entire show as well, but that didn’t happen either. It was really like at some point the writers just quit writing for their characters and just started writing side plots like oh let’s see if we can just do all the fairytale, disney characters and completely forgot about their original new fairytale family which was Emma, Neal, and Henry.
Yeah, i agree. It was not naive to think that the logical, consistent, well written, connected story arc, that which would lead to complete narrative sense, was Emma and Neal being together as a family unit, within the greater unit of Emma with her parents and Neal with his father and Belle. That was what was going to happen.
It might have been naive to think that Eddy and Adam, who had never been show runners before, had the skill to write such a story. But with the possibility that they had help in the constructing of Season 1, i think there was no way for us to know how bad they would end up being. With how well the arc of Season 1 was constructed, even with a few mistakes in there, i really thought the show would continue where it began, but it really went off the rails very early in Season 2.
I still think their original planned ending for the show was Going Home and they had to make it sooner because of KillEmma. It just seems like seasons 1-3A had different attitude from the writers than the rest of the series.
I agree. re-watching the show the tone and character development start to shift in 3b and imo it all falls apart somewhere in 4b with the egg and the ‘Queens of Darkness’. I do believe that Adam and Eddy had an ending planned out from early on, but I also believe that when they originally thought of the big series finale that Baelfire was going to be a big part of it and that Gideon is basically just a replacement character. It’s possible that the original ending was supposed to be Rumple killing Pan (or now Black Fairy?) and himself to save everyone. I just hope they don’t repeat themselves and we get something new and better for the (probable) series finale.
I don’t think Going Home was ever an intended ending. I think the reason they did that was so that they could make Henry a year older and so they could then create some in between time to which they could flashback to. I don’t know, but it seems pretty clear to me at the beginning of Season 3 that they still intended to go down the route they originally wanted and bring Neal back into the story, showing him reunite with Emma in Neverland, seeing him confront his father, and be all heroic and save Henry. Then he helps them to get off Neverland. I think we can see them building up his character in Season 3A.
I think they jumped the shark by have a love triangle in 3A. They thought that a love triangle would create ratings for them. They even used the kiss in a promo. I don’t think at that time early in Season 3 they were thinking about an ending. They were thinking about Rumpel sacrificing himself for the family as the next step in reuniting with Bae and bringing Rumpel closer to the family.
That all changed and was lost when they got rid of Bae. They don’t even seem to remember that Rumpel is related to Henry most of the time. I am not really sure when they decided to kill Bae, but i think it was after they planned the season just because this is something the writers do a lot. They change big things afterwards and then they do these things that make no narrative sense. Though, it is unclear how much is the writers changing things at the last second, which we know they do, and them having no clue how to write story. They just seem completely unable to connect the beginning of an arc to the end anymore.
Also, i really think the writers intend to do a “and they all lived happily ever after ending”, so i don’t think a Rumpel is dead ending was ever their intention. I definitely think there were major changes in characters behavior in 3B, but i think it was probably the fourth time that characters started behaving inconsistently starting as early as the first episode of Season 2 when Henry and Emma were suddenly standing up for Regina. Obviously, they are doing that “happily ever after” ending with different characters now then they originally intended, but that is still the base premise, in my opinion, that was always intended.
I don’t know, but i still think Rumpel is going to be fine. I guess he could die, but really if someone is going to die in the last episodes it is probably just going to be the Black Fairy or the Blue Fairy, whichever is the evil one. It probably isn’t going to be any of the main cast. I really think we are going to have a no one of consequence is going to die ending.
I don’t think it is a what if Emma never went through the wardrobe. Emma seems to be like eight. We will see. I don’t get what they are doing here really either. I thought it was just part of the dream too. I still think that until we see otherwise, i guess.
Yeah, i guess there have been the “don’t do it” Gideon moments with Belle. It was just after seeing that whole episode where Gideon was reading the book and talking about Belle for them to not show him have a good conversation with just Belle, seemed like a mistake. I imagine that conversation will be important near the end of the arc, maybe.
Though, it seems like people are going to be cursed for part of the last two episodes, so who knows what that will mean for this show. There just doesn’t feel like a lot of time left and they seem to be wasting it right now.
