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Oh BTW this person created a brilliant masterpost on Killian=Pan. If anyone is interested. 🙂
[adrotate group="5"]Here you guys go. 🙂
It’s the one that has Kindred Spirits as the title, we have over 62 threads. 🙂
@Gypsy wrote:
I don’t think it’s a bad theory.
Actually, I think it would be an interesting spin if Hook turned out to be Peter Pan….especially with these writers.
I love their take on the stories 🙂If Hook was was in Neverland before, how did he get there? Supposedly, beans weren’t in abundance.
If he didn’t need a bean to get to Neverland, why waste the one he had? That bean could have come in handy for Hook at some other point in time….like when he wanted to get to Storybrooke.
He was going to Neverland to stop aging so he could ‘live long enough’ to get revenge on Rumplestiltskin.In sure this will all be revealed when we get hooks background which is more than likely in s3 when we will get the pan reveal. Perhaps they may go the same route they showed Greg’s background with hook. It’s really an intriguing thought and now with bae most likely not being pan I see Killian being a very easy candidate for Peter Pan. It would be quote the intriguing twist.
Only time will tell.
@Gypsy wrote:
Also, there are only clues from the actual show and watching it unfold to point to him being P.P. that is where this theory comes from.
Read this. There are many more clues than just the ones alluded to on the show 🙂
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1462&hilit=i+believe+bae+is#p18390
Plus, the real Neal Cassady was known as the ‘Peter Pan’ of his generation.
The real Neal Cassady has connections to the Grateful Dead, who have connections to LOST’s Geronimo Jackson, who have connections to Neal, Emma and Henry.
Neal lives in NY…….that is where the Peter Pan Bus co. was established in the 1930’s and still exists today.
I believe there’s a connection between Neal and Jefferson because of the cleaners and hatters sign in his apartment.
We know Neal has a connection to August (Pinocchio) and I believe August and Jefferson have a connection because of the deleted scenes with August at Jefferson's house.
In Disney’s version of Pinochio when Jiminy opens the book to begin the story, two other books are visible…..Alice in Wonderland and Pinocchio…….Auguts (Pinocchio) Mad Hatter (Jefferson) and Peter Pan (Neal/Bae).I’m sorry but aside from what the writers saying Neal’s not pan I can’t see Neal being pan. He has no c haracteristics to pan. Neithe ether positive nor negative attributes I have never believed him to be pan. I definitely have beloved he was a lost boy and I also called whale being Frankenstein wasn’t it obvious,lol?
I mean I can create a major list of anvil sized hints that support hook as pan you would just have to give me a bit of time to construct it all. 🙂
This whole Peter Pan ordeal also goes well with Emma’s life. The one place that she wanted to go to was Neverland in Tallahassee. I have always associated Emma as an archetype of Wendy and many other fabled fairy tale characters. It’s all really interesting IMO.
Oh I couldn’t agree more. I’m really excited for the next couple of episodes. You guys should check out the captain swan thread on fanforum it’s so active and everyone is very nice.
@Gypsy wrote:
Hookian wrote
GASP what if Hook is the infamous Peter Pan!?The problem I have with this theory, since I read it a few months ago on another board is….
One of Peter Pan’s main characteristics is that he was a 14 yr old boy.
Hook was already an adult when he went to Neverland.I’m well aware that K&H put their own twist on the stories, but, to change “who” Peter Pan was and what such an iconic character was written to represent would be a stretch, even for these guys.
Well it could be that Killian has gone to Neverland before the whole Milah ordeal which to me was the case in the crocodile. As a child he went to Neverland, became Peter Pan spent time there with his crew of lost boys, then they all left Neverland met Milah the whole ordeal with rumple happened and then he returned to Neverland this time as Captain Hook.
They said we would come to find out how Killian jones became a pirate captain at such a young age which I think goes hand in hand with the theory because pan became captain of the Jolly Roger at a young age.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Oh, I have. Point to you Demileto nice catch!!
Ok, then I’ll consider the Hook = Pan theory. But the Pan/Hook animosity is such a huge part of the mythology of PP that to make them one and the same…I don’t know. You lose so much story potential. When I believed that Neal was also Nealfire Pan, it could go either way: Hook and Pan as enemies or Hook and Pan as father figure to a lost boy, which would have been a great way to explore Neal, Hook, and Rumple.
I do think Hook’s backstory is really important and will shed a lot of light onto this whole situation, but I think at most he’s a lost boy.Well the animosity can still be very much present it will just be a consistent inner struggle between Killian’s good side and bad side and it goes along with the quote villain trapped inside a heroes body/hero trapped inside a villains body.
@Demileto wrote:
@Hookian wrote:
Besides I thought it was already known that the character with the hood on was Young Bae and they didn't want it revealed that he was on set. That is whom the person whom visited the set was talking about whom was under a hoodie and they didn't want pictures leaked. HookedchoseEmma is the url tumblr. She revealed that she took pics with someone but could not reveal whom it was because of spoiler leaks but once she saw the pics of Young Bae across tumblr she confirmed that is whom was under the hood.
This is news to me, I haven’t seen it be mentioned in the spoilers forums I go like this one and FanForum’s before.
Oh really well isn’t it kind of obvious? I mean a pivotal part of the finale is the relationship between Bae and Hook so it would make sense they would not want any of that stuff revealed. I thought it was already known that it was young Bae under the hoodie.
Isn’t Hook/Peter usually portrayed with a dark father/son undertones? The mini-series “Neverland” even made that more explicit by having Hook be Peter’s surrogate father, the latter’s mother being his former love.
Was it really portrayed as that? All I remember was that Peter was an orphan and Jimmy aka Hook was like the leader of their gang and then they all sans for Peter got transported to Neverland with Peter following afterwords. It’s not revealed till near the end that Hook killed Peter’s father because he took his mother away from him and then Peter cut off Jimmy’s hand which had his dad’s watch with it and it was swallowed by the crocodile.
No not really. The most that Hook/Peter is portrayed is that Hook represents Pan as an adult, and it’s the idea of this that Pan tries to fight with all his might of growing up. In the actual sequel to the tale Pan literally becomes Hook.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I don’t think Hook is Pan either. Yes, they’ve made characters (like Rumple) have multiple roles (Rumple, the Beast, the Crocodile) but thus far they’ve all come from different stories. It might be too confusing for the audience to have Hook be both Captain Hook and Peter Pan.
Well this show is from the makers of Lost, so I don’t think confusing the audience is something the writers particularly care for. 😆
i agree on Neal not possessing any of Pan’s major character traits, but I don’t think Hook will end up being Pan either. They’re hiding the identity of the hooded guy among the Lost Boys (presumably the one named Felix in the casting call) so much that I’ve come to think he IS Peter Pan. I don’t rule out, however, the possibility that Pan is Hook’s son, possibly with Milah; though Hook gave no sign of being looking for a lost son in “The Crocodile”, Milah was oddly two steps ahead of Rumple there, having captured Smee for his bean.
Regardless whether he’ll be revealed as Hook’s son or not, I do believe he could easily end up being revealed as also being Pinocchio’s Lampwick and Neverland being OUAT’s Pleasure Island; this’d definitely explain how August knew Neal was Bae, he met him as a puppet in Neverland.
As far as Pan being Hook’s son that’s a little too out there for my taste. There is absolutely no indication nor even a hint to this. It’s quite interesting though far-fetch’d. I don’t believe it will happen at all. Like you said Killian didn’t give an inkling to a lost son and I’m sure that if I suspect that he was abandoned as a child he would never do the same thing to his son. So I don’t see this happening.
I do however believe personally that Felix is not Pan. He’s the leader of the lost boys that took over when Pan left Neverland long ago. He’s kind of like the Ruffio character from the 1991 film Hook IMO. The new lost boys needed a new leader after Pan grew up and left Neverland and that is where this Felix character comes in.
Besides I thought it was already known that the character with the hood on was Young Bae and they didn't want it revealed that he was on set. That is whom the person whom visited the set was talking about whom was under a hoodie and they didn't want pictures leaked. HookedchoseEmma is the url tumblr. She revealed that she took pics with someone but could not reveal whom it was because of spoiler leaks but once she saw the pics of Young Bae across tumblr she confirmed that is whom was under the hood.
