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I’d be sad to see you go HE, but I know it’s really tiresome to deal with. I don’t mind talking to fans with differing opinions but I do mind having one of my favorite characters bashed to make there’s look better. I’m really getting less and less comfortable leaving this thread and entering the chat at all. For us that are big CS shippers at least we have this place but I mean for fans like you who have Snow as their avatar I mean where’s your safe space?
Clearly the page count doesn’t lie, we dominate the board. So I guess some feel the need to gang up on us for insecurities sake in chat. Oh well, I only go in a chat when I hear BS come from somebody and I set it straight.
I’m gonna say a couple of things.
1. SF’s NEED to STOP BEING IN DENIAL!
Stop saying that “Hook THINKS he loves Emma”. I assure you the man loves with all his might, he loved for over 300 years the same woman. He knows what love is and if Emma is the first woman since Milah to get him to believe that he can have his happy ending than that speaks loads for the amount of feelings he has for Emma. This is not THINKS he loves her, this is HE LOVES HER. The finale proved it, he was separated for an entire year from her and he thought of her every single day. If he only thought he was in love with her or lust then in that year span he would have moved on but clearly he did not. CS shippers NEVER deny that Emma has loved Neal in the past so you need to stop denying that Hook does not love Emma. As for how Emma feels for Hook, well Emma in 3×11 told him “Good” to his romantic declaration that not a day would go by that he wouldn’t think of her. Emma does not give false hope so her saying good is her encouraging him. She wants him to think of her every day, why I wonder? Gee it really is a difficult answer.
2. Emma WAS jealous in 3×10. A woman is being murdered at this point and screaming out for help, yet the thing she’s focused on is Hook and Tink STANDING next to one another. That’s it just standing next to one another and she asked “wait are you two”? Why would she ask that. Do not say it’s for curiosities sake because you’re just gonna be denying yourselves big time. Emma’s priorities at that moment should not have been on Hook and Tink, it should have been on the person being murdered. Clearly Hook and Tink bothered her, she was jealous.
3. If Hook for doing what he did in 3×11 is considered rape undertones in his dialogue, then the exact same can be said for Charming when he said the pretty much exact phrase in 1×16. “Oh but Charming and Snow are considered true love, not Hook and Emma”. Yeah well guess what? Hook thought of her every day, he was chosen to come back for her, he fought and transcended realms to find her and ultimately he did. TL always find one another, so let that speak for itself.
4. The statement that Neal is the underdog in this triangle, really how so? After Hook and Emma kissed, Pan came into the picture and revealed Neal was still alive. Knowing that revealing Neal being alive would likely be the end of whatever was blossoming with Emma. Yet he STILL did it because he wants her happiness. He confessed his secret knowing that he was going to have his heart broken minutes later and he was telling the absolute 100% truth or the bridge would not have formed. Him and Emma had a very close moment in the following episode, which was interrupted by Neal(a love triangle cliche). The obstacle always interrupts the couple. Another love triangle cliche is the underdog ALWAYS has the longing look of pining that happens when he witnesses something between the obstacle and the main LI. This has happened 3 times in regards to Hook. Twice in Ariel and once in 3X10. Hook is the one that told Neal he would back off, another underdog cliche. Hook IS the underdog in this scenario, and he’s the one that the audience have placed emphasis on. When Neal got stood up did we see anything that happened afterwards with him? No because the focus was on how Hook was handling letting go of Emma for Henry’s sake. That was the focus, NOT Neal.
5. The kiss between Emma and Hook did mean something? Why because Emma brought it up to Snow. Clearly she did not want to talk to Snow in that moment she wanted to talk to MM. MM said it best in season, if it meant nothing to Emma than they would not be talking about it. Emma was just deflecting from the situation as much as she could. It meant something to her. Also this goes with my next point…
6. THE KISS IN THE FINALE!!
EMMA LEANED IN TO THE KISS, AND SHE CLOSED HER EYES! If a stranger goes up to you to kiss you, I guarantee you, you would NOT lean in and you certainly would not close your eyes. Emma clearly recognizes Hook deep inside, you can tell based on her gaze towards him. She’s clearly seen him somewhere and if she had no idea whom she was she would never ever lean in to a kiss from a stranger.
So yeah that’s all I have to say ATM.
By the way, it wouldn’t necessarily have to be men looking for a heart, brain, courage. And, remember, in the end, the wizard reminds them that they’ve had those traits all along. Off topic, since this is a Hook thread. Did Hook have his hook in the New York scenes? And if not, what would that imply?
Well I think the Hook on the hand would come off kind of intimidating if a stranger knocked on your door with a hook for a hand.
Snowing likely told him not to use the Hook and to just have the fake hand there instead.
Cinders wrote: i thought it was interesting that Dr. Whale asks “Who did this to him?” Instead of what happened to him. I wonder what symptoms Whale is looking at.
Good questions. What did happen to gurney-man? Are we talking physical accident (missing limb, shot, other external evidence) or are we talking something more magical–like a curse. Because he’s asking “who did this” I think it’s probably a magical ailment.
So, first thought is…sleeping curse! But that wouldn’t lead to drama if it was Roland. The remedy is obvious and easy. True love from Robin. However, if that was Neal on the gurney, and he was under a sleeping curse, well now, that’s huge drama because with Rumple gone, there are only two possible solutions to awaken Neal and they live in New York.
This would also put Hook in quite a moral dilemma. Should he rescue his friend and potentially lose his love? Would TLK work this time? No memory, no true love. Is there still true love?
I’m going with Neal on the gurney under a sleeping curseI highly doubt we’re looking at a sleeping curse/TLK early on in the season, those are season ending plot lines. This is at the start of 3B. Probably a curse by the WW which likely can only be solved by Regina and this could be why it’s Roland. In the past Robin and Regina could have met through Roland being hurt or injured and Regina saved him and the same thing could happen in the present as it did in the past.
My bet is Roland or one of his merry men going from the fact the focus is on him and you can see that the person on the gurney means something to him.
I don’t for one second believe it’s Neal or Rumple.
Well Neal and RH have been living in the EF for a year, along with everyone else. I suspect everyone is friends by this point
Eh I need to see the relationship develop on screen but clearly this is early on so I’m sure what’s happening in the present, happened in the past.
Robin Hood’s main storyline is Regina. It’s not Neal, so I think that’s where the development for him is going towards. That romance is his main story arc.
That’s why I believe the person close to Robin on the gurney is either his son or one of his merry men and I think this will tie in the past to someone assisting Robin in the same way(likely Regina) because that’s where the storyline is.
Plus I’ve always had a hunch that Robin and Regina would meet through something happening to Roland.
Like I said, I’ve seen every theory under the sun. It could be Roland given that RH does look concerned but he’s friends with Neal as well. Charming and Neal are connected through Henry and Hook and Neal are some screw-y version of father/son/uncle/nephew/whatever else. So Neal is possible. But so is Roland or Rumple or Little John for all we know.
Can we not bash people here on this site please? You don’t like that person’s tumblr, that’s fine. But there is no reason to label them as “desperate” HERE. They’ve presented an argument you don’t like, you may respond to it without being nasty to the person in question who is not here to defend themselves. All we have is a 2 second clip from a promo. Yes, I think Roland is a very strong candidate for who is on that gurney given the people in shot and RH being at the forefront. But all theories are open because we just don’t know. That’s the fun of the show–putting theories out there and then having fun and polite conversations about them.
Robin Hood and Neal are not friends, I would say acquaintances at best. You can define Hook and Neal as friends, that’s what the most recent canon of the show has stated. That’s how Hook defines them, as friends.
Charming and Hook are heroes, I get that but Robin would not be there for Neal or Rumple and he certainly wouldn’t be the focus unless it was someone he cared about and you can clearly see his reaction moreso then anyone else and this person means something to him. It’s someone he personally knows. So that’s why the pool can be brought down to Roland or one of his merry men.
Also I apologize for my statement to the tumblr in question, can’t stand them but hey that’s my prerogative.
Here’s a link so you can attach it to your gif set because not linking causes bandwidth wasted…
I can’t stand that tumblr, they always instigate trouble with CS and shippers of any other ship but ST. I read their spec, sounds like desperation on the part of fan whom wants to know where Neal is. Charming does not have a focus reaction even in the wide shot, it’s all on Robin.
This is the gif set I myself have made of the clear promo.
Clearly the person on the gurney is very close to Robin, he can’t take his eyes off the gurney. It’s either Roland or one of his Merry men, perhaps John.
It’s not Neal nor Rumple. The focus of the shot is Robin and even in the wide shot of this scene the focus is again on Robin.
How did they try to get them disqualified?
Not disqualified eliminated. They had a top 8 session and many of the people whom asked for our help instead chose to vote against us just because they did not like CS nor did they want them representing OUAT. I know for a fact many SQ and ST shippers teamed up but it didn’t amount to anything clearly because CS was still nominated in the top 5.
