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But if it’s true that MRJ did not want to leave the show and he was not fired and it really WAS “bold storytelling”, than maybe. MRJ could make time for both shows. After all, I heard A and E handpicked him and Belle. Maybe because they knew these two will have a very small but hugely significant part…? Maybe hook and pan would be the big bad and underworld is the new neverland? Why would A and E hand-pick actors? Pan: “you look so adorable, its hard to tell wich one to kill firt” Pan: “no it is’t, you. You first.” So next Belle will die and Pan will win until Golden Hero fights back by sacrificing more than just his life, this time etc.
Um doesn’t killing off your character if you don’t want to leave kind of another way they are saying, “You are fired?”We will meet again, in another life...
Seriously the whole conflict with CS and SF and their fans has seriously has almost permanently ruined my enjoyment of shipping. Now I sometimes am too scared of openly saying what I shipped aloud in fear of backlash, especially if the pairing I shipped is not-canon, not the top favorite pairing or at least the ship was sank by Word of God. I also feel like the need to warn other people in order to spare them of the backlash which go well as one would expected. I sometimes wish I have a better control over how I feel and think sometimes.
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Actually MJR I think having them kill off your character without you wanting to leave is (if that is really true anyway, like who knows) is pretty much indirect way of them saying that they are firing you.
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EXCUSE ME WHILE I POST THIS ENTIRE THING BECAUSE IT’S SUPER IMPORTANT OKAY
People really do seem to have this disconnect when it comes to Neal and Bae. Like they refuse to recognize that they’re the same character. I have yet to see anyone explain how Neal was a plot device without displaying an enormous misunderstand of what a plot device actually is. A plot device is something that moves the plot forward, and there are different kinds. A MacGuffin is an object that’s imbued with a certain importance that isn’t explained, where the importance of the object within the story isn’t what the object is or what it can do, but the actions it sets in motion. It doesn’t take any actions to move the plot forward at any point. (For example, the Maltese Falcon) A Red Herring is a device that diverts audience attention away from the big, main things that’s happening, making them think that something else is happening than what is actually happening. They’re basically clues or pieces of information that leads the audience in the wrong direction. (Think of all the whodunnits and police procedural shows where it looks like someone did it for awhile, and then at the end we find out it’s someone else. The Third Man’s structure relies on a red herring. From the beginning we think Harry is dead and that the movie is about solving his murder, but it turns out it’s about something else entirely). Chekov’s Gun is an object that is shown or introduced some place before the end of the story, usually early on, which ends up being used later in the story, usually in a very important way. Oftentimes these objects will be introduced innocuously. A Deus Ex Machina (something that the OUAT writers use to a nauseating degree) is a device used to end a story, which generally comes out of nowhere, that resolves all problems and loose threads. (For example, the out-of-nowhere potion that ended the Lacey arc) Those are the big ones that refer to specific objects or people. There are of course other ones which apply to specific moments within the plot (like the Plot Twist, Reversal, Self-Fulfilling Prophecy, Framing Device, Cliffhanger, Story Within a Story, and so on), none of which would normally apply to a single character or object. I fail to see how Neal is any of the things listed above. He’s not a MacGuffin because his importance as a character is made very clear and he takes actual actions that impact the plot. He’s not Red Herring because he’s not being used to throw attention off of the actual purpose of the story. There’s absolutely no way he can be Chekov’s Gun or a Deus Ex Machina. He’s not a plot device. He’s a character that serves a storytelling purpose as a catalyst for conflict, but he’s not a plot device (or, particularly, a MacGufffin) as he’s a fully developed character with a very clear and well-explained importance and who actually does things himself that moves the plot along beyond just existing. All characters serves some kind of storytelling purpose because they’re not real people, they’re storytelling vessels. If Neal is a plot device, than all of the characters on the show are plot devices.
X GOD. THAT. I am so sick of reading that Neal is/was a plot device. People who call him that simply don’t know what a plot device *is* ETA: Also….THIS from Kiki (bless her)
I totally agree with this. I am so tired of people degrading Neal/Baelfire into a plot device when he has a more important role in the story than Hook right now since it feels like Hook is only just a love interest for Emma and nothing else. I mean seriously I see so many people saying that he is a plot device and his story is finished that in their eyes it is “good” that his story ended like that. Seriously that isn’t even a good excuse that he should have die and stay dead. Even if his story is finished that doesn’t mean he should had been killed off and stay killed off. I think the problem is that some people are too blinded by their wish for Emma to be with Hook that they are willing to objectify Neal/Baelfire in order to justify their belief that Neal/Baelfire should stay dead so Emma would end up with Hook. I mean whenever I hear about Neal/Baelfire being called a plot device, Hook would usually show up in the conversation somehow.
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I think the only reason why the actors/actresses in the show are saying they missed Neal now is because they know MJR is out of reach as he is starring in another show. With him gone, they are allowed to say what they want without backlash as even how much they will say they miss him he won’t be back anytime soon.
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And people are still insisting he is only a plot device that already “fulfilled his purpose” and should stay dead. Seriously that makes me so mad! Neal is not just a plot device and he hadn’t “fulfilled his purpose” in his show. He isn’t some object.
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Who knows? Maybe they are only saying that they won’t bring back Baelfire/Neal because the actors can’t/won’t come back?
MRJ was contracted with ABC/Disney up until recently, so if they wanted him back, he was still useable via contract.
Well I guess that means the actors didn’t want to come back.
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