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Loved the croc shoes! haha it would’ve probably heen out of place but a lil ‘croc shoes? REALLY?’ from Ems wouldve been hilarious.
Also loved Georgina Haig’s twitter response…it was awesome. And for those that think she doesn’t look like Elsa….um, are you blind?!
[adrotate group="5"]Hook definitely proved himself in season 3 especially by giving up the JR and then not mentioning it. I just hope he doesn’t blow it in season 4.
I see no reason for him to. The only time he turns dark is when someone kills someone he loves. Even then, I think he’s learned better ways to deal with loss. The year without Emma for example. He could have reverted to his frat boy pirate ways but he didn’t. I think he’s matured a lot in the way he loves people and handles loss.
Agreed, @Obisgirl – and actually – he tried to return to his old ways during that year and learned it was impossible. Even his worst actions – refusing to help Ariel in favor of getting the JR back – only taught him that returning to his old ways brings him nothing but continued pain. For me, the whole point of the Ariel story is to show the biggest difference between Hook and the other villains that have sought redemption – Rumple and Regina – Hook learns from his mistakes and carries them with him. And that was based on some flirtation in NL and a “good” when they learned they were going to be separated and he told her he’d think about her everyday. Now, Emma has acknowledged her feelings for Hook. He’s not going to blow it in S4. I have faith in my pirate! Again, I think we’ll see Killian can get quite vicious when he’s trying to protect his new family – which I personally cannot wait to see! – but this is where Rumple and Hook differ — Rumple killed Zelena to avenge his son’s death, regardless of what Belle would think or want him to do. I don’t believe Killian would if he were put in the same position because we’ve seen Killian has the ability to put aside his desire for revenge and even assist the person he set out to kill, for just the possibility of redemption and the love that Rumple has when he kills Zelena (does that make sense? The cold meds are really making it difficult to use words!!)
The writers have certainly created a tricky pickle for themselves in S4 as far as Regina goes, I agree with you there, @POM…they’re going to have to handle that storyline almost perfectly in order to get it to feel real. I do really like OQ because I think having someone like Robin in her life could bring a lot of positivity (hmmm…just like a certain pirate for a princess, perhaps? tee hee) and help her in her struggle to redeem herself. But I don’t really like or dislike Marian at this point, so I’m glad Roland’s got his mom back. I assume they’re going to try to show that people can break up (Robin and Marian in this instance) and fall in love with others and still coparent in somewhat more of a traditional sense; paralleling Robin’s parenting experience with Regina and Emma’s coparenting relationship as OQ try to salvage their romantic relationship…that’s going to be tricky. I will say, the writers definitely have me intrigued.
Thanks for the well wishes everyone! @Surayya, I definitely do not have walking pneumonia – yikes!! Rest yourself!! We need our gifs and metas! (What? Of course it’s about us! 🙂 )
Excellent meta. Agreed with so much of it, and had to follow her on Tumblr as well. Haha, and in the same vein as your post Bo-Peeps, while reading I was almost laughing to myself – remember when we had to analyze “insert various topics here” in school and it was AWFUL — and now we are, adults, writing/reading/analyzing….for fun?
One of the scenes I had never thought about but was touched upon in the meta – the final scene in Jolly Roger, when the Charmings are eating dinner at Granny’s. I had never noticed the empty chair, nor Emma leaning on it. Emma saved a seat for Hook, even though he had said he needed to be elsewhere. One of the things I love the most about OUAT are the subtleties they include via set decoration, blocking and shots. Sorry, antis – that empty chair was there on purpose – and meant to reinforce the fact that, to the characters – especially Emma – Hook should’ve been there, was part of the family, even if he couldn’t be there physically.
ugh home sick in bed…I’m very interestednin reading the meta but should probably wait until I’m not all hopped up on cold meds and it actually makes sense…hehe flocking.
When you really think about it S3A was chock full of CS nuggets…I guess it turns out CSers aren’t looking for and incorrectly interpreting things that aren’t there and just have a better understanding of cinematic symbolism! (My mom would be so happy I guess that college degree in Radio/TV/Film s useful – for OUAT watching!) I’m so proud of our Smartypants Ship!
I disagree that Robin’s a d-bag. For Robin, Marian has been dead for years, and definitely enough to adequately have mourned his wife and move on in a healthy manner. Robin has zero control over the fact that to Marian, they were happily married days earlier, until she was captured by Regina. And seriously, was he supposed to stay celibate in case some random person managed to figure out how to time travel and 4 or so years after he death, inadvertently reunite him with her?
I don’t even really have a problem with the amount of time that has passed for OQ to get where they are – because they’re in that early, ‘everything is great, you’re amazing and you make me amazing’ blah blah blah stage of their relationship. Before they’ve had to deal with any significant problems. Most of us have been there ourselves. I don’t really think Regina and Robin are acting on their feelings for each other solely because a 3rd party told them they were meant to be together. Because every relationship is perfect until reality sinks in and cracks begin to emerge. Even in a good, healthy relationship. Admittedly, OQ’s problem is a little different than most couple’s! I’m not sure Regina and Robin can’t be together – if she’s truly changed…I’m not sure that Regina being Marian’s killer changes that much between Regina and Robin (unpopular thought, I know don’t shoot me! 🙂 ) — Robin knew of Regina, and he knew of the Evil Queen’s penchant for killing anyone and everyone in her path. Robin would’ve easily been one of the Evil Queen’s victims had he been caught. But he’s made peace with that. Of course, Marian being an almost-victim is far more personal…would Robin have known Marian died at Regina’s hand while still living in the EF? I can’t remember if they made that clear. It seems like it would be the natural assumption that if someone up and disappears, it’s at the hands of the Evil Queen.
Ultimately, I think the entire storyline hinges on exactly how much Regina has truly changed. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a theme for all of the villains in 4A – Is Rumple going to backslide (further) once Belle finds out about Zelena? Will Hook be able to continue on his path to be a good man – what needs to happen for him to be tempted to readopt the full on Captain Hook persona again? I imagine we’ll see the pirate emerge now and then, especially when he’s in protection mode…is drawing on his pirate skills to ensure the safety of the ones he loves enough to tempt him back to that life? We would think no, but he’s still on his journey to being good, I don’t know that he’s fully redeemed himself yet, especially in his own eyes. Regina has had to deal with very little repercussions of her actions. She’s due. This situation is exactly the kind of setup needed to see if Regina can really turn herself around, make herself deserving of someone’s love, or if she’s really just too far gone.
I recently rewatched 2×21 & 2×22 and after S3, I am even more convinced in my initial Hook/Bae headcannon. Bae was acting like a child – no problems with that, hr WAS a child…a child who needed protection. I believe Hook saw that and if Bae was going to reject Hook then Bae’s next best option? Making an ally out of Pan. If Hook had to physically turn Bae over to further incite Bae’s hate toward Hook so Bae would align himself with Pan…then Hook was giving Bae his best chance. What’s a major motivation for many of the OUAT characters? Giving another their best chance, despite the devastating consequence. Ahem – Snowing/Emma, Emma/Henry.
And no, I don’t believ that makes Hook’s actions OOC toward adult Neal in S3 NL. Hook didn’t know Neal and it was probably quite painful to see him…what’s easier? Acting like a child…which BOTH men were doing.
Anywho, I can’t imagine leaving the forum altogether. I’m sure I’ll even pop into chat depending on the crowd. But I don’t feel the need to really try and understand other perspectives if I’m going to deal with a good dose of backlash as a result. I worked hard to understand others’ opinions regarding their favorite characters and frankly feel I wasn’t given the same respect. Hence my negativity.
Hmmm…yeah so saw chat. And…definitely going to be putting my sticky note back up I can see. Unfortunate, I was really hoping for maybe a little less negativity but I don’t think that’s going to happen…
I know we’ve mentioned it before but any less negative sites that still include various ‘ships and viewpoints anyone visits and recommends? Because I’m really foreseeing me only coming to this thread here once S4 begins…how far we have….come.
I’m very glad to hear about your conversation with SF/Neal fans, Surayya. For the most part, I do think this site has more rational and moderate fans than others and I often enjoyed conversations with many posters, inclusive and exclusive of whatever ship they identify with. I did see a lot of backlash after Neal did (expected) but I did also feel it went on so long that it jeopardized my desire to converse anywhere outside this thread. It sounds like people are starting to become less aggressive and more rational again which I can appreciate and now hope it continues so I feel comfortable resuming chat conversations and debates in various threads like before.
I think a lot of people who identify – or are maybe lumped in with -SF are more pro-Neal/Henry’s relationship and focus less on the romantic relationship between Emma & Neal. And I have no problem with this. I understand being upset about Neal’s death in regard to how it affects Henry and Rumple’s stories because I agree there was more story to tell. But in regard to Emma, I defer to JMo herself – There was just too much baggage for Emma to ever trust Neal as a romantic partner again.
Argh, I had an answer all typed out and then I lost it! So…in summary – I agree with all of the last few pages!
In regard to TLK – honestly, I don’t care when or even if we ever see it with CS. Because their story is about the journey and the journey has been a fantastic ride – one I think is going to get even better. A SFer once attempted to point out how upset I’d be if I never got proof about CS – as in, a TLK. To which I responded I wouldn’t be upset at all because their story is why I watch. I don’t need proof in the form of TLK or some 3rd party indicating CS are soulmates because that’s not what’s important to me. CS’ TL doesn’t need to be proven to me. (I don’t think the ‘accuser’ was thrilled with that response, but I digress…)
If you look into Sternberg’s triangular theory of love( google it if you like), you’ll see that Emma & Killian are at least on the road towards consummate love ( intimacy+ passion+comitment).
You don’t know this but I’m working on this monster of a meta based on true love and love in general on Once. My goal with it is to really explore ALL kinds of love on the show we love. I started writing it October 2013 and have researched quite a bit on different types of love but this is the first time I’ve heard about this theory. But my ‘secret’ over all thesis for the meta is to show that Emma and Killian are true love.
I’ve been waiting and waiting for this meta, Obisgirl!! With all of the work you’ve put in it, and the general agreement we seem to have regarding our couple, I imagine it’s going to be fantastic!
Page 1117 – perfection. All of the essays and metas posted. In regard to the rape culture thing – I have very little patience for it and I therefore spend very little time on those who argue it in regard to Hook. Far less articulate than the metas, but my thought is always ‘how do these people function in society?’ Flirting, innuendo it’s all part of human courtship rituals! How on earth do you know someone is interested in you, or do you let someone know you are interested in them? Is this coming from completely sheltered, unsocialized people? Have they had every person that’s dared flirt with them arrested? Do they understand how horribly they devalue and diminish the pain and suffering of actual rape victims? At the end of the day, OUAT is a television show, who’s purpose is to entertain. OUAT, it’s creators/writers/actors have never insinuated their purpose is to make some sort of social commentary or be used as a tool to educate about any of the topics they tackle. Yes, I’m sure they love that we sit here and analyze this touch and that phrase but I don’t think they’re trying to change the world. They’re trying to tell a story about fairy tales.
The meta by the social worker – the thing I liked most about it is that it doesn’t try to devalue other relationships Emma has, not even Neal’s. She simply uses canon examples to make her point. She doesn’t insinuate that Neal & Emma’s relationship, or Emma and her parents’, or Emma and Henry’s relationships are less important than CS; rather use examples provided by the show to the audience to clarify what Emma might be thinking and feeling and why.
