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I definitely agree that you can’t necessarily take Tink’s word as gospel in regard to the ‘soulmate’ thing. Fairies help people, can grant wishes, and whatnot, but they’re not necessarily…I guess Cupid, for lack of a better word. Their purpose is not to find others’ soulmates or even to define the term soulmate…so while the pixie dust was used to find Robin for Regina, I don’t believe that’s proof positive that as a result Robin MUST be Regina’s soulmate, or if Tink did the same with two other couples, it would mean they are soulmates as well. I think Tink using the word ‘soulmate’ was to emphasize to the audience that Regina was frightened by Robin and the possibility of a new relationship, and the one presented to her by Tink could have been life changing — because it meant Regina was willing to turn to the Light and not the Dark.
[adrotate group="5"]As for the Hook leaving Emma in jail thing — I think those that don’t want to see the context, aren’t. 1) As said, Emma trapped Hook first. He had no idea she made a deal with Anton to let him live, and he had very real reason to believe she left him to die. The important part of the scene, in that context, is that Hook is not only ‘you tried to kill me’ upset, but more importantly, he’s ‘you betrayed me when I wanted to help you’ upset. Because of the connection they made on the beanstalk. 2) I still don’t think for a second Hook believed he was leaving the girls in the jail cell to die. He knows the Dark One well, and I think he suspects the Dark One wasn’t really and truly trapped in there – ie, they could get out. The point of leaving her there is, he knows Emma already. He knows she’ll get out. Because he knows she can do it (contrast to Neal’s “you think you can do it?” comment about the watches.
Oh, the haters. They’re really scraping the bottom of the bowl with the whole ‘arm grabbing’ argument. Seriously, in your entire life, has no one ever tried to keep you from walking away from them? Really? Because if no one’s ever grabbed your arm like that or done something to the equivalent you’re either less than a year old or incredibly, incredibly sheltered. I grab my son on a daily basis – otherwise he’d have been hit by a car, set the house on fire, drowned in the bathtub or fallen off the couch! But I choose not to think about that – did you see the gif/video where he grabs her with the hook? Oh my…I don’t know why but that just gave me all the feels!
Honestly, I’ve never really thought of Neal as being OOC in any of his decisions. He knee jerks; it’s just what he does. It’s his primary flaw. It’s this trait that makes me only somewhat be able to reconcile the first really terrible decision we see Neal make – letting August talk him into abandoning Emma and allowing her to go to jail.
One thing I find interestingly similar is how both Neal and Hook’s actions are the extreme ends of the spectrum, and rarely ever land in the middle, or safe, zone. Honest, righteous Killian loses his brother thanks to his king, and so he becomes the total antithesis – a pirate. He acts somewhat ambivalent to Emma in S2, but it’s obvious he’s covering his deep attraction to this woman who he both understands completely and is totally baffled by. Hence when he does fall in love, he FALLS IN LOVE.
So…why can people forgive one character’s sins and not the other? No idea. I don’t see Neal as the angel to Hook’s devil – far from it. Just because one dresses like a pirate and the other like…well, a hobo…what makes one, in my opinion, ‘right’ for Emma, and the other ‘wrong’ for her, is their actions toward her. Neal ‘let’ her go to jail ‘for her own good’ so she could be come the savior….huh? On the other hand, Killian gives up literally everything but the clothes on his back to get to her. And he does this knowing at best she’s not going to remember him. And he does this because he knows she needs her family and to help them as much as he’s needed her the year they were in the EF. Not because he had any real belief that by getting back to Emma meant he would get in her pants.
Haha, can you hear the CSers now if that ends up on the cutting room floor – A&E would have to come up with a better reason than ‘it wasn’t in the script’…cause I don’t know about you but I sure as heck don’t do THAT with my co-workers. The spoilers look awesome – and we’re FINALLY in the home stretch before s4 begins!
One of the best things about joining the fandom is my near constant amazement at all of the people who have adopted English as a 2nd (3rd! 4th!) language! I have no where near the discipline many folks around the world have! My mom was fluent in French and my grandparents in Italian ages ago and still I never managed to pick any of it up.
Mental image of Robert Carlyle dressed as DO twerking and giggling…that’s all it takes to make my day today!
Welcome @lady!
I did like that Emma had some one-on-one time with the ring in the finale! Emma trying it on gave me chills. And that ring does have a way of finding TL wherever it goes…I’d love to see the heirloom in action as the show goes on…see how it spreads to Emma (like we don’t already know!) and how cute would it be if it eventually played a role in Henry’s life?
So very right, @Bo-Peeps! I think, since Jen Morrison went to Monte Carlo, then especially SDCC, the excitement she and Colin are expressing over their storyline has me ridiculously excited for S4…I was very excited for 3B and (for me!) it didn’t disappoint. Even when they had Emma walking a very fine line between ‘she’s got a lot of legitimate walls’ and ‘ok, now she’s going a little off the rails with these walls,’ they did a great job of really showing her turn a huge corner in her arc and really justify and allow the audience to accept her actions. I’m very curious to see what they haven’t presented about Emma that they’re going to touch on in S4.
We know we’re going to learn something new that adds to why she is who she is…any ideas about what they’re going to present? I’m not sure how much I love a straight out abusive situation – I know, people can and do argue there are a lot of abusive situations presented, but I think to an extent they’re all somewhat debatable. I know some have taken a lighter idea and suggested part of the reason she ended up in foster care all her childhood was because she was showing signs of having magic…it’s possible…
I guess naming the baby Neal didn’t bother me too much because it was (unfortunately) such a Snow thing to do. I don’t think she means any harm when she does it, but she projects her own understanding and experiences onto others, especially Emma. Charming was her first love, her True Love and SoulMate…so I think in Snow’s mind, obviously Neal is Emma’s first love, True Love and SoulMate. For me, you can literally see Snow and her attitude toward Emma change in S1 when they get their memories back and she’s crying and embraces Emma. As beautiful as the scene was, from that moment on, it was more about Snow projecting than Snow listening. I don’t fault that in Snow, but I would like more of an exploration of it.
Ok, let’s do some math!
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(I regret nothing.)
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Upon further review, I think he’ll probably need something a little more suitable for the Frozen storyline. Charming, too.
= I almost snorted water out of my nose.
Ok, and I totally admit this is probably me looking through my shipper goggles, but I don’t know that Hook necessarily actually planned to take Henry anywhere — rather, used the opportunity to distract Henry. We know Henry has both of his mothers’ stubborn streaks – and Hook is well aware too. So to me, it seemed more of a divert and then fix the situation kind of thing. I think Hook knows it would’ve been better for Henry in the long run if Hook lied to him to to protect him and have Henry PO’d at Hook…and really, what was he going to do? Let him drive (attempt to drive) off to NY? So I never really got particularly up in arms about his actions there. Of course, I also never picked up on the whole ‘Hook was alluding to kidnapping and (possibly) having his non-consensual way with Milah’ to Rumple in…2×4? I believe? I always thought it was more of a ‘prove to me (and her, she’s just below deck afterall…one last chance to show her) that you love her enough to fight for her’. So yeah, my Hook goggles can get pretty thick!
And I guess I don’t really think of Hook’s persistence if you will as being clingy or overbearing…you have to put it into context. Emma is seriously scarred and terrified that people are going to leave her. Worse, she’s terrified she’s not good enough for love or family or even friends. So while yes, some of Hook’s actions might be clingy to the less-scarred, with Emma, he understands that he really needs to be that way with her. She’s not going to accept that she’s worthy of love very easily, and needs almost constant reassurance from someone who’s trying to get past her walls that they WILL NOT leave her. And she makes that insanely difficult. Hook’s tenacity reminds me of Henry’s in S1, and his support is much like Graham’s was – and they were the first 2 people she really started feeling comfortable with in Storybrooke. Emma approaches life in general like a fight, and you not only have to be willing to fight back to get through to her, the way you’re going to win that fight is to use non-traditional tools that she isn’t going to expect coming. I think that’s why Snow struggles when it comes to bonding with Emma. Once they got their memories back, 30 years of baggage suddenly presented itself…and ultimately, it’s 30 years of baggage Snow didn’t actually have to think about since her memories were wiped…Snow doesn’t understand that Emma is going to use this baggage as her weapon to keep Snow at a distance and ultimately, it’s up to Snow to fight her way through to get to Emma. Why Snow has difficulty understanding, I’m not sure. Maybe because she spent so much time still looking for the good in Regina and learned how to selectively see what you want to see in a person/situation…
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I guess I put this together (I’m not really huge into all the parallels, symbolism was never my strong point) but when you lay the two scene out like this…awwww how can you not adore our Captains?!
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<small>Captain Swan thinking that the other doesn’t care but them telling each other that they do.(Season 2 Finale | Season 3 Finale)</small>
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We can take a break on the Neal, no problems! (With maybe the caveat that it’s not a banned topic – one of the best parts of our little haven is our ability to go off topic when needed! But I don’t want to turn the place into an ‘Ugh, That Guy’ thread either! 🙂 ) I like the idea of maybe doing a weekly rewatch and then maybe picking a day or two to present our analyses if you will? Something like that so people with busier schedules can participate? Maybe either start from beginning of CS to end, or pick some favorite episodes?
Uh oh…I haven’t really been venturing into the other threads too much…mostly because I was sick of seeing the exact same stuff. Unfortunately, unlike you, @Surayya, the ongoing reaction to the death has actually made me really dislike Neal. I had such a hard time connecting with him, and really put a lot of effort into understanding him and asking questions of people who were fans of Neal’s that I was really coming around…but I think the combination of (conveniently) arguing right around the time of his death is when the show stopped making sense and Hook-bashing just made me aggravated one too many times…and all the bad stuff started creeping in! Like, ew, he was really old when he got our girl preggers at 17…and I don’t care how you want to paint it, he let her go to jail for his crime. Unforgivable. Although in my opinion he did do right by Henry, so I’ll always give him a gold star for that.
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We need some happies!
Hook + being a Hero“At the end of the day, he is a hero, he’s just not comfortable with admitting that to himself.”
This is honestly the most beautiful and heartbreaking thing that anyone has said about Killian Jones.
We’ve seen how uncomfortable he gets when being thanked, and when being a called a hero.
It’s because he knows the path he chose was wrong. He knows all the things he did in the name of revenge were terrible. And he doesn’t really believe he can atone for them. He doesn’t believe that he deserves to be called a hero.
And yet he has proven it time and time again.
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<li>When he saved Aurora’s heart.</li>
<li>Coming back with the bean.</li>
<li>Saving Charming’s life.</li>
<li>Guiding them through Neverland to save Henry.</li>
<li>Getting to Emma in NY and bringing her home.</li>
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Now that he has something to live for, something to believe in again, and hope for again, he continues to make the right choices, and never asks for gratitude in return.And that makes him a hero.
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The captains of our ship.
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‘Special’ friend.
Cause that last gifset never gets old…
