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Colin S3 DVD (x)
That smug dork who ships captain swan so much ps he looks so hot!!!!
Stuck it under a spoiler tag in case…all the little extras are making me realllllly need to order S3 on Blue Ray!
[adrotate group="5"]It’s still a bit of a debate about who knows what…some less infatuated with CS folks like to say there’s no way Emma knows and she’s going to have a fit when she finds out, etc etc…
But our Emma’s a smart girl – and when it comes to Killy, she’s also a little nosy at times. It’s common knowledge Hook was seeking revenge on Rumple for killing the woman he loved. If Emma didn’t know that was Milah/Neal’s mother beforehand, she had to have realized it when they were in Bae’s cave in NL and Hook tells her Bae got his drawing ability from his mother. The fondness tone his voice had when he said it – you could tell it was both about Bae and the person he inherited that talent from (in my opinion). And if after that she couldn’t put 2 & 2 together on her own, Emma would’ve asked Hook outright. And I do think he would’ve answered openly and honestly.
I think it’s supposed to be one of those inferred / off screen conversation things at this point. If they were going to make a big deal out of the fact that Milah is Hook’s 1st love and Neal’s mother, they would’ve done it while Neal was alive.
I do agree that in general things have toned down…here and elsewhere. Ijust get sensitive because I do try to understand allnpoints of view which can prove difficult at times. In some ways it’s unfortunate because I still feel a great divide even when it comes to non-ship conversations. But that could change for the positive…amicability during the hiatus can turn into a more friendly atmosphere when the season starts and I hope it does once we have more to discuss than a season that was as amazing for some as it was devastating for others
I like Rumple as entertainment. He’s a great character fun to watch and his motivations are understandable, meaning you understand what drives and can see things from his point of view. BUT he is an extremely selfish man. Everything is about him. I think the spinsters did him a disservice raising him to believe that he was a superspecial snowflake that everyone’s life should revolve around his “pain” and needs, without any consideration to others. Maybe it was genetic. Malcolm was similar.
Definitely agree, @sweetgrass! I love Rumple – when he’s in full on Dark One mode. But I don’t care for Mr. Gold. And I don’t think Belle has been fleshed out nearly enough for me, personally, to really like her as a character (I think Disney’s Beauty and the Beast just came out at such an impressionable time in my life – 12ish – and that I related so well to that Belle at that time makes any other Belle pale in comparison, no matter who’s playing her and how well written the story is). Hence, I hate to say it but when it comes to Rumbelle, I’m pretty ‘meh’.
I think the problem is that there are literally so many kinds of romantic love that trying to have them all fit into neat little categories just doesn’t work. Case in point: death – and let’s face it, that’s the big issue here and why A and E most likely babbled on unprepared and came up with this “definition” that left everyone scratching their heads when I think what they were honestly trying to do was make everyone feel better. So back to love and death. Here’s the problem and why we can try to figure this out and still won’t get anywhere until WE are dead. When two people are in love (married or not), together for a short period or long period, have lots of good times or not many good times and then one of them dies and then the other moves on and finds someone else – that person typically doesn’t spend time sitting around trying to define which person it is/was that they loved more/deeper/better/truer, etc. You love the person you are with, you honor the person you WERE with and you have moved on with your life. If you sat around trying to figure out if your previous partner was your True Love or Soul Mate or THIS one is, you wouldn’t have to worry about it long because you would be single in a hot second – if you are thinking like that your answer is clear and you weren’t ready to move on. Most people feel happy to have ANOTHER chance at love. Another situation – divorce and remarriage. At one point you loved your ex so deeply that you wanted to marry them, now you think they are a walking nightmare and OBVIOUSLY your new spouse is your True Love/Soul Mate. But when you were married to your ex you would have said they were. Real life. TV. We spend hours trying to figure out the definitions that A and E threw out to us that can’t possibly trump real life because we are ALL affected by our perceptions of love in real life and WHY it is that we want True Love and Soul Mates defined for OUaT. I’ll be honest – I don’t care because I’m happy with where the show is right now (who am I kidding, I am THRILLED with where the show is). So I don’t care about the semantics. True Love, Soul Mates whatever – I get that the characters I love are some version of deeply in love with each other and meant for each other so it’s good with me. I don’t really have a need to try to analyze it to death. I forgive A and E because I think they were just trying to say that everyone on the show who has been portrayed as loving someone has “truely” loved them – even if it hasn’t been this rarely achieved level of mutual love that they are holding certain couples to. But that doesn’t diminish the fact that they did love each other. It might not always have been healthy, or reciprocated, or meant to be but it was still love. Unfortunately in trying to make people feel better, they just confused everyone. I am just moving on.
@Rumplegoldfan said this in the Soul Mate v True Love thread, and I think it was so spot on, I’m copying and posting here! There’s an elephant in that thread no one’s mentioning – and thank god, because I don’t need Ship War III. But one thing I ultimately find interesting, at least in our thread, is that many of us seem less bothered by the semantics. Maybe because our ship is so strong? Look, I’m not about to say that Neal and Emma weren’t True Love. They were. So were Hook and Milah. And I’m not saying that Emma & Hook’s love is better/worse than their past relationships. Because you can’t compare apples to oranges. It’s a completely different scenario; this Emma and this Hook are not the Emma and Hook that loved Neal and Milah. That’s why I find it amusing when people say Neal ‘had to die because of CS’. No, he didn’t. I think a great many CSers would say Neal didn’t have to die because we weren’t the least bit threatened by the character or the relationships he had with Emma and Hook. So, Soul Mates or not, endgame or not, I don’t really care what label people want to slap on my ship – be it positive or negative. Because I’m loving the story that’s being told in the present.@ellemo78, you make some really good points. In some ways, I wish we could see more of Milah & Hook’s relationship. I wonder if we might in S4, because it obviously has profound effect on who Hook is and has been for 300 years. We have a decent amount of context regarding Emma and Neal’s relationship but Hook and Milah’s can be reduced to minutes over the course of 3 seasons. On, the other hand, I’m more than happy to go without Hook/Milah scenes for CS scenes! You know, in the interest of time. haha.
I’m going to rain on everyone’s parade and say their ‘date’ will be a drink at Granny’s. I’m not sure they’ll go in for anything more fancy. I hope I’m wrong
Actually are there any other restaurants in SB aside from Granny’s?I agree. Granny’s seems to be the go to place for dates.
I think they have, like, 1 or 2 other places they could go…but Granny’s probably will be where they end up (oh, how romantic….yeah…) But even that I would love, because how hilarious — EVERYONE is going to know what’s going on – I can just see the entire town showing up, purely by chance…and not at all to see what it looks like when the Savior and the Pirate try to get romantic-like. I just really don’t want a traditional date – I want to be laughing my way through it, for some reason!
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OUAT’s resident videobomber, Colin O’Donoghue
“I see you!!!”
And…how does the portrayer of our favorite Captain manage to look adorable and creepy at the same time?!
Little bit off topic, but really love this meta on the whole Milah/Rumple relationship with ties to Killian & Bae (I know we’ve discussed Milah a few times & this brings up/ points out, things about her & that whole Rumple/Milah/Killian situation, that I think even we’ve missed in our discussions lol). Although I dont agree with absolutely every point made, over all it is thought provoking & I find myself agreeing with the vast majority of what is written
http://oncecrazy.tumblr.com/post/93576754496/milah Interesting article…it did help me resolve some of my issues with Milah. I don’t know why, I just can’t take to her like I can with other characters – even ones you’re not supposed to like. I accept Hook and Milah had True Love because that’s what the story says, but for some reason I don’t find it as believable as others – and I’m not necessarily looking at their relationship through CS glasses because although Emma & Hook are amazing, I can see the obvious chemistry Hook has with other characters – TinkerHook is my favorite ‘crackship’ afterall! (That scene in NL? Holy cow!)
“Your mother, your partner and your child are all stuck in the same boat and it’s sinking. Who do you save? Your answer is how you know which person you love the most.”
Sound ridiculous, doesn’t it? You love all three, in completely different ways, but it’s impossible to choose between the three. (And yes, someone actually told me this, using it as a baseline for establishing relationships…yeah, he doesn’t do well interpersonally…)
As said, everyone’s interpretation of the concepts of true love and soul mates are going to be different; colored by their own personal experiences. And two people, as we can see here, are going to hear literally the same words and have completely different interpretations and reactions to them. Where some people have immense struggle with the definitions we’ve been given, I can’t help but look at it as just words. Let’s look at Snowing, probably OUAT’s best example of Soul Mate as defined by most fans and the writers. You may see them as the epitome of true love, the most rare kind of love, the thing to which we should all strive and hope to experience in life. I look at them as completely co-dependent. And I find myself wanting to ask those that are so pro-Snowing, if this is True Love, what is the love they have for their children? Do they love them less? ’cause if it does, it kinda sucks to be their kid. You know, in addition to the whole, feeling abandoned for 28 years stuff in Emma’s case.
A&E can define what they want how they want, but when I watch the show, I see an incredible display of love in all it’s forms; none of which I find ‘better’ or ‘worse’ than the either.
Thanks for the links to the interviews! They were a lot of fun. I’ve been hoping they do try to show them trying to have an actual date, Storybrooke style…
Knowing that Killian was brought as a gentleman and a lieutenant, I wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up at Emma’s apartment with flowers. I’m counting on it. I think she’ll find that her definition of dating and his definition are worlds apart. I can see him being more courtly in the way he approaches Emma and that’s not something she’s used to. So I can see why it might scare her at first.
This is exactly what I’m hoping for! Trying to navigate a relationship, with each of their own baggage plus the fact that they are literally from two different worlds…the perfect setting for both angsty CS and funny CS moments.
