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It’s an interesting discussion, the difference – and if there is one – between ‘True Love’ and ‘Soul Mates’… and I guess I can see how it can work some up into a frenzy. We’ve seen it all since SDCC – people who argue the writers are retconning, others who are infuriated that the comment implies one ship is better than the other. I’ve seen comments from non-CSers, ‘cautioning’ us that CS hasn’t been proven as TL or Soul Mates so they still might not be…blah blah.
But ultimately, though the discussion (minus the mudslinging and outrage over words) is definitely interesting, I really don’t care to know if CS is TL, Soul Mates, or anything else. Because for me it’s about the journey – I’ve loved their story since their first scene! Their relationship has it’s serious moments, deep moments, angsty moments…but it’s also just plain fun…I’m not so sure the other ships can say that… So I don’t care if/when we get TLK, or if it’s even ‘canon’ that they are TL. The thing I really came away from SDCC besides Soul Mategate, with is that the actors that play Emma and Hook are EXCITED about their story. So what I know is you can sling whatever argument, anger, accusation at me, I know I’m in for a fun ride.
[adrotate group="5"]I have to agree with RG – I think A&E were asked what was possibly the most obvious question there could be about OUAT and they were completely unprepared for it. From what I’ve seen, A&E tend to stink at answering questions on the fly. Which is why I pretty much never take anything they say as truth or without an enormous grain of sand!
For me personally, the idea of people having One True Love or Soul Mate is almost silly. How many of us have loved only one person? Is romantic love more “true” than the love between a parent and child? Siblings? Friends? OUAT can get itself wrapped in knots when they start using those words, but for me, the overall story of the show is about true love in it’s various forms. I understand that my love for my husband isn’t stronger or lesser than the love for my child it’s just…different. So, for me, I relate to the stories that are less focused on ONE True Love, like Snowing, and are more about the various kinds of True Love that exist. I love the backstories of characters like Emma, Rumple, Regina, Hook, Robin…because they have loved and lost, and are trying to love again. That ‘new’ love doesn’t diminish their love for that other person, or make the love in the prior relationship not “true.” Neal & Emma, Regina & Daniel, Robin & Marian — these are all examples of True Love…but for various reasons, their time together has passed, and they have learned to love again. They’re not better or worse, stronger or lesser, than the relationships they have – romantic and otherwise – in present day. We as viewers can certainly prefer one character’s ship over another (except maybe Rumple’s…I mean really is there anyone who likes him with Milah more than Rumbelle??) but for me, that doesn’t mean that my ‘character’ and my ‘ship’ is better than any other; it’s just my own personal preference, colored by my own experiences in life.
Emma as the Product of True Love…this one I’ve been pondering on, and I think I’ve come to the conclusion that the only reason Emma is the savior is because the pieces of Rumple’s puzzle fell into place at the right time. However, I don’t know that his curse specifically needed SNOWING’s True Love and their child to work. Could it have worked with Cinderella and whatever her husband’s name is and their kid or Philora and their child had the timing been right? I think it could. Emma’s purpose as the Savoir, really, ended in S1 when she broke Rumple’s curse with her TL kiss with Henry. Since, the characters have learned to depend on her and she’s tried to rise to the role of leader, but is the title ‘Savior’ really relevant? To me, no. She broke Rumple’s curse without having her magic. The fact that she later learned she was capable of magic is more coincidence than fate, to me.
I think I’m probably the only one who was happy that Soulmate/True Love question was addressed. I think most of you all know I’m still working on my True Love meta and actually, the answer isn’t as complicated as it seems once you break it down. The TV definition of a soulmate isn’t that different from ‘One True Love’ where in both, you believe that you love only one person. And actually we’ve seen with Snowing that they they are true loves and only love each other. There is really no one else for either of them. It actually connects at least those three ideas together, which is really nice. If you were to consider what we know of Snowing, then you could also classify them as soulmates as well as true love and one true love.
This is what I pretty much think, too. I really hate the whole ‘one’ true love and ‘one’ soulmate – I don’t believe we as human beings need another half to make us whole. You don’t have to have your act completely together – who of us does? – but you need to be able to survive and live on your own to be a partner to someone else. Emma and Hook are perfect examples – both of them were still very primitive, functioning on instinct and had very little coping or even basic social skills when first coming to Storybrooke. However, we’ve seen both of them develop the tools you need in order to become a whole, complete human. And that’s when you can begin to deal with a romantic relationship. So now, when they struggle with their inner demons, they understand how to not only depend on themselves, but allow themselves to be dependent on another person, and work at overcoming their problems.
So, for me, ‘true love’ and ‘soulmate’ really, is just semantics. What makes Emma special? Ultimately? I’m not sure she is more special than others who are the ‘product’ of true love. She was integral to the curse and became the savior because Rumple was able to secure the ‘ingredients’ from her parents, who had true love, but I’m not sure that if he had come across another TL couple, he couldn’t have made the curse work, either. All of the pieces needed to fit. He needed a TL couple. He needed a TL couple having a child – to break said curse. He found that in Snowing. In watching the Cinderella ep in S1 (forget which number or the name of the ep), I think we saw that it COULD be other TL couples and children to satisfy the curse…but they found themselves a way out of their deal with Rumple – whereas when Snowing unwittingly gave him Emma’s name, and therefore the way to break the curse, he was finally able to but the curse into effect. True Love, even in OUAT, is still rare – how many have we seen that don’t have TL? Gepetto? (except for the whole weird wooden kid thing) Archie? Granny? The dwarves? And the list goes on. So debate TL vs soulmate all you want, though A&E’s answer was awkward and really, they should have been prepared for it, when it comes down to it I don’t think they’re attempting to ‘retcon’ anything and for me, their answer changes nothing about the story they’ve been telling since Day 1.
Ok, so the ‘old’ me would’ve sat here trying to justify Neal’s actions…but the ‘new’ me who read onr too many ridiculous comments from anti-Hook fans agrees wholeheartedly with your post, @Bo-Peeps! And wow is it liberating! There was a lot I was willing to let Neal slide on – but the impregnating a teen just skeeved me out. From his ‘let’s get a drink’ comment during their 1st meeting…the girl’s seven-freaking-teen! At most! (*shivers*). I don’t care how old she seems thanks to living on the streets – if anything THAT is why a guy in his mid-20s should absolutely stay away. Jen plays 17 yr old Emma as an obvious ‘acting tough’ but completely vulnerable and incredibly lonely child underneath perfectly. Neal, with his own severe abandonment issues should have seen this and understood…instead he let August talk him into sending her to jail…pretty easily, I might add. Some want to use this as an example of crappy writing but in fact it was done wonderfully. That episode and those scenes show from the very beginning why SF would never work.
I think a lot of pro-Neal fans actually love his relationship with Henry more than Emma. And I’m fine with that; I liked that storyline a lot. When he learned about Henry, he stepped up and wanted to take on that role. But his relationship with Emma as anything other than co-parents? Fail.
I’ve seen many comparisons between the two but for some reason that set just hits home!! This is EXACTLY why our pirate is awesome! The ‘superpower’ one especially – that is one of the few things we’ve seen Emma take pride in — DON’T take it away from her to suit your own needs (and she was right wasn’t she, buddy?!) I love that one of the few times Hook brings it up he’s talking to her about it seriously and showing her not only does he agree she’s got an excellent BS radar but he’s imploring her to use it.
Ok, a quick look back at the last few pages and I didn’t see this gifset and it just popped up on my Tumblr dash again, so I had to post it because I love it so much — Jen & Colin banter doesn’t get old!!
Hehe, her ‘manboy’ smells. But she still loooooooooves him.
Oh oh! Also, what I want to see in S4 – a good Regina vs Hook Sass Fest. Just full on smartmouth quips from the two of them, trying to best each other. I really don’t know who would win that one.
Honestly, I don’t really care one way or the other about whether or not he gets the hand back. I think if done well and with purpose, it could be quality storytelling. No, the hand doesn’t make him ‘whole’ and the hook doesn’t define him for me. If, say, it were something like Emma wants to give him back his hand as a way to show him how she feels about him, and while trying to gain control over her magic, that would be fine. Or Rumple reattaching it as a symbol that they both are truly done with trying to exact revenge against each other, that would work. Ohhhh…wait, maybe Henry finds it and is the catalyst for either scenario — that I would love.
I guess that’s because I don’t really see him as either ‘Hook’ or ‘Killian’ right now – he’s trying to figure out who he wants to be, and I think the ‘true’ person is a combination of both ‘Killian’ and ‘Hook’….he believes in Good Form and is now assessing what that means and really working to become a better person. But threaten someone he loves and I think he’ll be downright vicious. That’s what I’d like to see with Killian – I want to see his relationships with people other than Emma grow – I want more Captain Charming, Captain Cobra…haha, I would love a somewhat awkward exchange with him and Snow. And I want more emphasis on the fact that Killian’s not just changing for Emma. Emma was simply his inspiration, that ‘nudge’ he needed to truly change his ways and become a better person, but I think the desire to do so has been there, brewing under the surface, even since we first met him – hence his disgust when Cora killed an entire settlement, saving Aurora’s heart from falling in the portal, throwing the swordfight…
I can’t remember if anyone’s posted the interview with Colin talking about the costume change – it’s hilarious how downright giddy he is. Or the exchange between him and Jen about the clothes he hasn’t changed in 300 years. Poor guy, I can imagine after a while leather pants and a 50lb leather coat in the middle of summer gets a little bothersome! I know some people think the actors and writers erred on the side of caution for the most part (not you, Eddy) but Jen and Colin’s banter during the interviews and Colin’s squeeing over a costume change really got me even more excited about S4!
And remember – just because the game’s called ‘Two Lies and a Truth’ doesn’t mean Eddy didn’t cheat and just give us all a bunch of fake breadcrumbs to obsess over! (I can totally see him in the writers’ room, clasping his hands and giving a good ol’ evil ‘mu-ahaha!’ about setting the fandom into a frenzy…!)
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Haha holy crap indeed! Who are they quoting, Colin? This made my day.
@ bo-peeps, yeah…that comment about Hook and Neal was made in a rather optimistic moment but then certain folks in the fandom handed out another serving of ‘woe is Neal’ and nothing the writers/actors do is right…which finally made me snap. So frankly, let’s give the kid who’s got the same name a good nickname and never hear the word Neal again. (Never thought I’d reach that breaking point, I always liked Neal but I’ve been hit with one too negative comments by Neal ‘fans’ so there you have it. Thanks kids.)
So let’s focus on the fun our pirate promised us!! And if you haven’t watched the videos definitely do so. The gifs are awesome but the energy and excitement that Jen & Colin exude in the videos makes the comments and quotes and gifs 1000x better!
