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Neal was probably the last person on OUAT who would want to see his family collapse because of his death. He told Emma to find Tallahassee – wouldn’t he want his father to move on as well? To me the wedding was a way to show that you can’t just shut down when you lose someone – they will always be a part of you but you must still live. Not survive but live. I t hink Neal would be happy knowing Rumple and Belle married because Rumple is doing exactly what Neal would want him to do.
And Rumple did attempt to avenge Neal’s death by killing Zelena (and in my opinion that is the LAST thing Neal would want.)
[adrotate group="5"]I agree with something @JennaB said elsewhere, that S4 is probably going to revolve around the theme of “what is true love?” If you’ve seen Frozen, then you know that the act of true love isn’t a romantic gesture. That also plays into the Sister theme.
Yes, that’s my thought about S4, or at least the first half! I think A&E have established the ‘classic’ ideas of love, and now are going to try to redefine it, especially when it comes to the ‘Disney-fied’ versions of fairy tales. Disney movies always end happy – the main characters always find their true love and always live happily ever after. We’ve seen that can happen in OUAT-land: Snowing. But we’ve also seen that happily ever after is an extremely difficult thing to achieve no matter how intense and true your love is: Rumbelle. We’ve seen true love can be romantic and we’ve seen it can be familial – a mother’s love for their child broke not, one, but two, curses.
With the introduction of Elsa, we can again reinforce the fact that love between family members can be true – I’m hoping that they incorporate some concept of true love and acceptance in some form with her character being ‘misunderstood;’ however A&E decide to portray the same. And with the emergence of CaptainSwan, I’m hoping they do show that just because you learn to love someone else, ‘true love’ doesn’t have to mean ONE true love, and continue to show how important Neal and Milah were to Emma and Hook, and how they approach a relationship after such an intense first love. Emma has finally completely accepted Snow & Charming as her parents, and I’m looking forward to seeing how they grow as a family.
I’m very curious to see where they go next season. I found it interesting that the writers decided to wrap up the Zelena storyline and then basically write a stand alone finale. The finale had some good fairy tale elements – swordfights! Trolls! Evil Queen burning folks at the stake! — but in the end, the focus was about Emma learning just how important her family is, and how much she truly loves them and wants to be with them. Personally, I would love if they take these themes of family, sisters, love, etc and continue to focus on the same over the big bads and CGI and magic and near-death challenges…wishful thinking, I know…
I don’t know that you can have a show about fairy tales and not have it focus heavily on romantic relationships – that’s what so many are about…so the ‘ships never bothered me on OUAT. I like that each one is distinct in it’s own way – Snowing is that classic ‘fairy tale’ couple, Rumbelle is the ‘against all odds’ fairy tale, OutlawQueen is about second chances, and CS about finding love again after a very intense, first true love.
Even so, OUAT is centered around Emma and Regina’s love for their son. And as others stated, other major relationships on the show have not been romantic – Rumple’s love for his son is one of the most compelling storylines on the show, in my opinion. Emma has to learn how to love her parents after a very difficult childhood – and so on.
In regard to general opinion, OUAT has a number of ‘ships, yes, but it also has a huge cast. There’s going to be a lot of ‘ships simply for that reason. But I don’t think OUAT is anything like a soap – daytime or primetime – OUAT is about true, pure love, in whatever form that may be. No one’s bed hopping. Maybe 4 have even romantically loved more than one person – and they loved 2 at most. I think most shows that have a number of ‘ships – or potential ships – have equally passionate fans. I’m not particularly concerned with the amount of ‘ships OUAT has, because I enjoy them and think they each bring something unique to the table.
Congrats, RGF!!! That’s awesome for your son! You must be so proud – brag away!!
1) When did you start shipping CS-
2) When did you start believing that Emma loves Hook/Killian?
3) When did you just know they were endgame?1) Actually, I was a much more passive watcher until Good Form. I remember the promo at the end of 3×04 – I literally jumped up and shouted “Whaaaa?!” Then all the buzz during the week had me on the edge of my seat. And of course, I loved the ep, and I was a goner. After, when I started really started going back and rewatching S2, Tallahassee really sealed the deal. I was a CSer!
2) Hmmm…loves…well, I think she was instantly attracted to him – and more than just on the superficial ‘wow, he’s kinda hot’ level, but on a genuinely intrigued ‘how does he get me so well?’ level. I think the kiss in Good Form is actually when she realized how intense her feelings were. And I think she consciously felt the same way Hook did when he made his confession in the Echo Cave. Had there been time, and they could just breathe for once, I think Emma would have started trying to break down those walls and meet Hook halfway – but in true OUAT-verse, there’s never ‘time’. So Emma did what Emma does best – built up her walls nice and strong and denied denied denied until our CS Movie, when she realized not only she couldn’t, but that she wouldn’t deny her feelings anymore.
3) Endgame – I hate that word!! I like the here and now – especially when it’s so full of good CS feels!! But I think they will ultimately end up together in some fashion – they’re the couple that will bridge the gap between our realm and the EF. So I guess my answer would be…I knew they’d end up together by the end of this season, and though without challenges, I don’t think our couple is going to be breaking up any time soon!
A wise man indeed.
LOL! I think a lot of women have probably thought the same thing.
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LOL this guy, is just to much. I adore MRJ. <3
[/quote]This seriously made a cruddy day better when I saw it on twitter...his tweets always seem to do thatHave we seen a couple – major or minor – just breakup on this show? Not because one of them died or one of them had to leave “or bad things would happen” but because they just grew apart? I think that’s a concept they have to tackle. It sounds like they’re staying put, for the most part, in Storybrooke. Divorce, separation, heck just breaking up, may not be done in the EF, but let’s face it — Storybrooke, though magical, is in OUR land, in the US even, where the likelihood you end up with your first love is anything but common. Obviously, that’s not going to happen with Snowing or Rumbelle but it could happen with a secondary couple.
So maybe Robin goes back to Marian. Maybe they try to make it work but they can’t – not because of Regina, and not because of outside forces, but because they’re just not true love. If that were to happen, I think Regina actually would try to encourage Robin to stay with Marian, at least because of Roland. I can see her, then, actually turning to Emma for counsel because even though her break up with Neal still wasn’t exactly traditional, they DID break up and Emma does understand what that’s like to an extent. She can especially relate because like Regina, Emma had no control over the ending of her relationship with Neal. And I could definitely see Henry encouraging Regina and Emma to mend fences.
We also have no idea if Regina did kill Marian in another past. Maybe she kept her imprisoned but didn’t actually kill her? (I know, unlikely, but just throwing thoughts out there) It could be the writers use that scenario to show that Regina wasn’t completely heartless in the EF somehow.
On this episode of Real Husbands of Storybrooke:
David’s a little jealous his mate has other mates.
Have we seen this one yet? Poor Charming…
I think Regina will be tempted to revert – afterall, who wouldn’t want to hurl some fireballs at the heads of people you’re PO’d at?! 🙂 – But I think, ultimately, she’s experienced both light and dark, and after true love’s kiss with Henry, I think she’ll realize reverting is only going to make her feel good for a moment, and she’ll still have to deal with the pain in the end. And I think Snow will help her with that — I think Regina and Snow have grown close enough that though Regina might push back at first, but will ultimately let Snow in to help.
Although I hope they let Regina teeter on the edge between good and bad a bit! Regina on the edge is fantastic to watch!!
Looking at it from a character perspective (I stand by my earlier statement that I think it had very little to actually do with the story and a lot to do with A&E and their fans), although I do find it a little odd and misguided, you also have to think about the parents we’re talking about here.
Snowing are a very different entity than a lot of the other characters and pairings on the show. They are an example of a ‘classic’ fairytale. You fall in love once, get married, and yes, though there have been trials and tribulations galore, they still are living ‘happily ever after’. Many of the other major couples do not represent ‘classic’ fairytale guidelines. Rumbelle, CS, OQ, and even SQ, are not first loves – they bring a completely different set of experiences to their relationships that Snowing just can’t understand by virtue of being ‘first loves’.
So when Snowing name their baby Neal, they’re not thinking about all of the baggage that name brings up for other people. They name him Neal to honor the fact that without Neal, Hook wouldn’t have gotten notice of the new curse, Emma wouldn’t have gotten back to Storybrooke, etc etc etc. In their eyes, it’s also a nod to Rumple, by extension by being Neal’s father, being a member of their family, and a tribute to their grandson Henry’s late father.
I very highly doubt Snowing think about the…relations… their daughter and Neal engaged in that resulted in said grandson ever, much less when they’re thinking about naming their child. Or the fact that there is a LOT of history between Emma and Neal they either just don’t know about, or can understand because they can’t relate to it.
They still should’ve stuck with Leopold though. Even Eva would have less controversy…!!
Have a great time Obisgirl! After all the stuff you’ve dealt with getting here you deserve it!!
Ok, I don’t know if this is funny or just creepy…so of course, I had to share…!
http://swanspirate.tumblr.com/post/86641987100/inescunha-ross-charming-finds-out-about-monica
