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So very true, Bo-Beeps! It’s one of the best things about our ‘ship! Some insight, some hardcore analysis, a little debate and lots of laughing at ourselves!!
[adrotate group="5"]Found this on Eala’s tumblr. She needs to get back here!!!
I don’t have any words……..http://i-love-you-swan.tumblr.com//quote
LMAO – Night at the Roxbury
Ok, that was hilarious!!!!
It would have been great to see Bae/Hook reactions…if Bae had been portrayed decently as an adult. But that didn’t come to be. I still don’t see the brooding, dark little boy in surfer dude Neal at all.
When you say “portrayed decently”, do you mean in terms of acting or writing? I think MRJ did a good job with what he was given, however he suffered the same problem as what EdR had in season 2 and 3 which was lack of screentime. Belle got more screentime in 3B but poor Neal was shafted. His only real presence in 3B was his death episode. It seemed the writers didn’t know what to do with Neal or Belle in season 2 so they would disappear for entire episodes at a time then cameo in another episode just to show the audience they still existed. I’m glad that Belle has actually been given proper screentime and story in 3B. The other characters actually react to her now rather than just ignoring her or trying to use her as a pawn against Rumple.
I do agree that there is a disconnection between Neal and Bae. People do change overtime, however we never got to see that transition from Bae to Neal so it seems like they’re two different characters. Rolandgate was a very OOC moment for Neal. He hates magic, yet he’s suddenly okay using it to get to Neverland? Not only that but he’s willing to use a child for bait? The only reason that Neal’s actions in 315 AREN’T OOC is because Rolandgate was written as being in-character.
A&E had always intended for Bae to be Henry’s dad but they also wrote themselves into a corner because they needed an explanation for why season 1 Emma was the way she was. Unfortunately they more or less laid the blame at Neal’s door. The audience’s first real introduction with Neal was Tallahassee where he didn’t come off in the best light and that was it until Manhattan. That’s 7 episodes where the audience’s first impression of Neal (Betraying Emma, a beloved character) had time to cement itself in the audience’s opinion unchallenged. By the time the writer got round to showing Neal in a better light in the following episodes, for some it was a little too late. Neal was hooked up with Tamara (He didn’t just drop her when Emma came back- which was actually quite honourable of him, shame Tamara wasn’t the genuine article, yet some people saw it as him screwing around with Emma’s feelings once again. Poor Neal was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t).
Hook was quite a divisive character on his introduction. However, the following episodes gave him chance to challenge people’s first impressions of him. He bullied crippled Rumple (Hate him), he’s a cheeky chappy in The Doctor and Tallahassee (Kind of like him), he does other stuff (hate him, like him, hate him, like him), he shoots Belle (Hate him with the fire of a thousand suns, etc). Hook had the chance to change the audience’s perception of him almost every episode he was in. Neal didn’t get that chance.
Hook apologising to Belle was a must do in order to get me to like him. I liked his apology, I’ve seen complaints about it being insincere but I disagree, it was an in-character apology from a character who openly admitted a few episodes before that he doesn’t apologise often. The fact that he did apologise says a lot. I liked that Belle accepted it without rolling over, it showed she wasn’t a push over. Hook isn’t a sappy person therefore a sappy apology wouldn’t suit him. I don’t think his apology was just a show for Emma, Belle called him out in front of people, he probably felt uncomfortable because he knew he was in the wrong with what he did to Belle, and knowing you’re in the wrong in front of people is a very uncomfortable and awkward situation.
3B Hook was a very likeable character. In my favourite character rankings, Hook is now above Snow whereas he used to be very near the bottom of the list, he’s shot up the rankings in terms of favouritism. Hook is now somewhere in the top 10 whereas before he was in the bottom 5.
The “people only like Hook because he’s attractive” argument holds no weight because, whilst he is easy on the eyes, that alone is not enough to make you like a character (also practically all of the male cast members on the show are attractive in some way (Rumple and Hook are constantly voted as the top 2 sexiest, most handsome, etc males on the show). Attractiveness alone is not enough to make you like a character. The best example to use is David and James. Both are played by the reasonably handsome Josh Dallas, yet you don’t hear anyone saying “OMG James is so hot!!! He should’ve been the centre of the show because he’s so attractive.” You mostly hear “James was a bit of a douchebag”. Hook has fans because of his personality which has improved considerably since his introduction.
Some CS fans have claimed that Hook has demonstrated “real love” for Emma because he still stuck by her even when she was verbally abusive to him in 3B. However I disagree with that opinion. 1. Emma hasn’t been verbally abusive towards Hook. She’s been blunt (she has her father’s tact) and whilst it was a bit harsh her saying that Zelena should’ve cursed the lips of someone she actually intended to kiss (Hook was stood right there Emma you could’ve been a bit less blunt on that matter), Emma never set out to deliberately hurt Hook’s feeling or diminish his self-esteem or sense of self-worth. 2. IF Emma had been abusive towards Hook, then why would you route for that sort of relationship for your favourite character? Why wouldn’t you want him to find someone else who treated him with respect and deserved him instead of someone who abused him? An abusive relationship is not “real love”.
I am interested to see how CS progresses next year. They’ve gone past the will they won’t they phase so now the writers need to give CS some actual storylines as a couple. Hopefully we’ll get a new set next year of Emma and Henry’s new apartment, Hook may not live there permanently but he’ll probably have his own toothbrush.
I like your reasoning POM. And no, I can’t say I think Emma was verbally abusive to Hook — she was lashing out but she wasn’t abusive. The reason he stuck around is because he understands her well enough that the crap she’s giving him has little to do with Hook and a lot to do with Emma. Although I’m glad she came to her senses when she did!!
BAhahahaha! That is hilarious @callmeLola! I know, Surayya does a great job getting us pretty gifs and pics but I miss Eala’s too. 🙁 And her comments. I think she’s died like, 10000000000 times.
I don’t know what I think about how S2 would’ve changed had Colin not broken his leg. They make it sound like they did a lot of last minute re-writing as a result, but at the same time, they acknowledged they could’ve gotten him on set if they really needed him for the story, and just hide the leg. (Or — they could’ve recast/killed the character — oh the horror! And shows how much they love our pirate too! tee hee)
Each season, the writers seem to try to not only introduce traditional (whether it be Disney, Grimm Bros, etc) fairy tales and put their own spin, but also take a pretty univerally accepted theme and play with it. In season 1, we learned about hope, and learned it’s ok to hope because we might just have that hope realized. We’ve learned that family is far more than the nuclear, mom-dad-and-two-kids structure – your family are those you love, whether related by blood or marriage, or not ‘related’ at all. Your home is not a place per se, but where your family is – that thing you miss when you leave.
I think, now that we’ve established that the traditional concepts of ‘hope,’ ‘family,’ and ‘home’ are not the only definitions of those themes, the next theme we’ll tackle is ‘love’ and how it’s defined. What is ‘true love’? Can you only have one ‘true love’? Is it fated? Do you choose who you love?
If they continue with this theme, I would find the natural progression of the show would be to incorporate a same-sex couple. I think the writers would be doing their fanbase a huge disservice if they did not bring a same-sex couple to the forefront…and I think they know that. So I do believe we will see at the very least one same-sex couple that ultimately becomes one of the core couples on the show.I haven’t seen Frozen, but from what I’m gathering, Elsa might be a good character to incorporate either being a lesbian, or beginning to question and explore her sexual identity based on the themes presented in the film. If they brought in her sister, they can show family members fully accepting each other for who they are as a person, not simply identified by charcter traits or sexual identity, thereby both bringing the topic to the forefront and addressing it headon but also showing that it changes nothing about who either person is, nor their relationship as sisters. That could be very powerful. If they brought in Red, who is pretty much the embodiment of sexuality and being comfortable with one’s sexuality for the show, and whose own identity strugges have been addressed, either as a potential partner, or simply a friend who provides acceptance and support, I think you can bypass the need for someone outright NOT accepting of others’ sexual identity. And I think the storyline would be far more powerful if they focus on the fact that it doesn’t matter who you love or who you are attracted to, love between to people is pure and simple, deserved and accepted as opposed to an outside force putting a negative light on the character and storyline.
(And on a lighter note, seriously, we need Red back, in all her Red glory. And NOT with Whale…yeah, I definitely can’t get on that particular ‘ship! Red with a quality, important storyline – that just might include a romantic partner that’s as beautiful and amazing as she is – not THAT is a storyline, my friends!)
I don’t think she’s goig to go evil or ultimately really blame Emma. After her comment to Emma about being like Snow she also said she hopes nothing else came through the portal. To me that signified Regina’s unhappiness with Marian being back, but also her genuine concern for her family and town. R egina has grown a lot since S1 and I think she’ll be just fine no matter what may come to pass.
Screwball posted an essay on Hook that you guys might like
Ok, this is hilarious! CS has won POM over and now we’re on our way to winning Screwball Ninja over…the power we have… tee hee.
I think their challenges will be different from the other TL couples in that they will be their own greatest challenge. Though fated, they are still two very different people, simply because of where they each are from. Emma’s world is very different from Killian’s – how they approach a relationship, their notions of courting, all will be growing pains for this couple…and also lends to some great and comedic storytelling. I think A&E know this and had great fun with it in the finale so I think when it comes to CS, as unconventional as their relationship is, so wil their challenges be.
Musical OUAT! Love it! Buffy did it best – so put Jane in charge of that episode.
In regard to Disney, yes, they own ABC but I think people forget they are two different entities. ABC doesn’t make decisions based solely on some Disney philosophy. It probably makes it easier to get the rights to Disney-owned concepts when it comes to the fairy tales but that’s really about it. Remember, ABC used to be the ‘family friendly’ network of the big 3. But times have changed a lot, especially in the last few years. The 8 o’clock ‘family hour’ doesn’t necessarily exist anymore. Case in point? ABC scheduling Grey’s Anatomy at 8pm. And if you’ve seen what ABC Family puts on during the 8 o’clock hour? It doesn’t always fall in a good ol’ 1950s notion of ‘family friendly’ television. So I don’t think OUAT is going to concern themselves with what childrens’ takes on changing Disney canon might be. So I think they might be able to put their own spin on Frozen just like they have other fairy tales.
