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Can I just do a brief exercise with all of you over the age if 17? Think about the guy (or girl) you were dating when you were 17? What were your hopes and dreams with said boyfriend or girlfriend then? How old are you now? Do you still have the same hopes and dreams with that boyfriend or girlfriend that you did then? If not, why? If so, why? If you are no longer dating the person you were dating when you were 17, and are now either dating or married to someone else, do you feel you made a mistake and should have tried to maintain or revive a relationship with the person you dated when you were 17? I will start this off. I was convinced I was going to marry the guy I was dating when I was 17. I was so stupid I actually followed him to college. This ended up being a good decision but the school ended up being PERFECT for me, and as a bonus I met my lifelong best friend!! On the other hand I broke up with my boyfriend a few months into freshman year when I developed a big time crush on a guy in my dorm who was a biology major in most of my classes. My ex transferred to a different college after our sophomore year. I found out after college that he had a one night stand with some random girl a few years later and got her pregnant. I am 41 now. I am so completely different than I was when I was 17 that I can hardly recognize myself!!! Doing things I never thought I would want to do, living someplace I never thought I would live, I’m still me but a much different version of myself! Married to an awesome hubby! It’s our anniversary today! Can’t imagine being married to anyone else. This is what my life was supposed to be and I am happy I am living it! Can’t imagine for one second thinking that my life “should have been” something else. I’ll go one step further. I am divorced. This is my second marriage. My hubby has raised my 12 year old cause his dad doesn’t care about him at all. My first husband decided he didn’t want the responsibility of being a dad after my son was born. There isn’t a day I regret divorcing my first husband. Not even because a “family” is supposed to be together. And if I was single and my ex came back today saying he wanted another chance and someone told me I should give him one because we are a family – I would show them BOTH the door.
Sometime around 17 or 18 I decided that I didn’t want to wake up when I’m 40 and suddenly ask myself “what if?” So I spent my 20s living almost ridiculously recklessly. I loved, I made good decisions, bad decisions, STUPID decisions…I spent 4 years in an extremely complicated relationship that absolutely tore me apart. And now I’m 34, married with a son, and my life is completely boring. And I love it! My husband is completely different than any of the other guys I dated and I can honestly say I have no regrets! but if you had told me at 17 my life would be a typically normal, boring life I would’ve thought you were insane! Thank god your 1st love isn’t always your only love!
Can I just say that since Sunday’s episode – in addition to swooning like a child – I’ve noticed a lot more of each ‘ship taking time to see the others’ points of view? And I love it! I think A&E did a really nice job getting people to think outside their ‘shipper box’. Of course, I say this with only this forum’s threads as examples – tumblr is just WAY to scary for me so I just wait until you all post their good stuff! I like this forum because I think we’re all a lot more moderate and understanding than other sites and forums anyway, but I’m really loving how much people are really coming together. Am I still just riding high because of all of the epi’s amazing feels? MAYBE!
[adrotate group="5"]I like the tension they could have written with Hook, Neal and Rumple–if Hook actually went back for Bae in NL and spent centuries trying to rescue him, and actually agreed to hunt Rumple in a deal to set Bae free. They COULD have created something like that, which would in large part created a very conflicted and heroic feel for Hook versus showing us this “well he wasn’t always a pirate, but he was a hard-line naval taskmaster, who lost hope and threw it all a way in a fit of rage” didn’t quite do.” Hook being motivated not just for revenge, but also because he has no choice or the boy he loved as a son would be (he thinks) recaptured by a demon, now THAT is some serious counter-foil to Rumple. It would also have helped to sell me on the idea that Hook thinks it is tragic that he feels romantically inclined to the same woman as Neal. Right now that doesn’t come across very strongly or if at all.[/quote
hi all, yes you’ll usually see me in the CS thread but I like coming here and to the other ship threads for different perspective and to see what others catch that my admitted shipper goggles may have not…anywho – THIS! Even more than any romantic pairings, this is probably the relationship I ‘ship the most. I love Bae – I really believe that Hook and Bae’s time in NL is much more complicated than presented to date and that it’s explored and the writers don’t drop the ball on this one. I have a ridiculously detailed head cannon that I won’t delve into but I just was too excited to see a similar theory I had to post and add a “this”!
I think they were going for the Leia/Han scene “I love you.” “I know” feeling. Trying to keep it simple to remind people of that scene. I think it was incredibly painful for Emma to have to say to goodbye to Killian so she just . . . doesn’t. But it is very important to her that even though she won’t be able to remember – he will be thinking of her every day. She needs to know that; she needs to know that he is going to think about her every day – just like he thought of Milah every day for 300 years.
haha, well that makes sense why I hated “good”! Love Star Wars and especially Empire…but I HATE when Han says that “I know” to Leia too! I mean really you can’t even muster up a “me too”?!
Ok so I’ve watched the CS goodbye scene again…a few times…and know it’s not the popular opinion but I am NOT happy. “Good”? “Good”?! If it were clear that Emma thinks she’ll figure out a way to get her and Henry to the EF, then that’s an acceptable answer. Kind of. It’s an Emma answer. But it is not clear that she believes this…so nope, not happy with “good”. Not without a hug or small kiss – heck, I’ll take it on the cheek, I’m not picky! I just seemed kind of…awkward.
Haha although now I’m on the year later scene and that scene IS awesome!
And I know it’s been brought up – and I’m very happy it was my favorite pirate on the other side of the door – I hope they address, quickly, why Hook went and not Neal. I get the baggage bit but at least she’d remember him. Trying to get someone to trust some leather clad pirate talking all crazy like about mom and dad Charming’s definitely going to take some time…not matter how pretty that pirate is!!
rumplegoldfan wrote: As far as the yellow bug license plate, do you think episode 83 could be something special for Killian and Emma for some reason (E83 KAE). No idea why on earth they would randomly pick episode 83 but that was the first thing that crossed my mind when someone pointed out the license plate.
I agree… I think it’s Episode 83 Killian And Emma. What’s the episode number are we(From Season 1?)
ok I hate to burst this particular bubble but I was just looking at pics of the bug from 3×12 and it’s now got a MA plate on it…nothing ship-like with that plate…unfortunately I work in auto claims in MA and the only insight I can give is that the sequence of characters on the plate is not a sequence MA plates use…
surayya wrote: The one major floor I see in your logic of CS not happening as endgame, is ALL the CS frame work that has been laid down from S1… infact it started with the pilot!
I think you might be right… I am not sure where i read the meaning of Killian Jones originally, maybe Wikapedia? maybe here? Many of the websites dealing with names list Jones as meaning ‘gracious’ or ‘gift of Jehovah.’ Many of the baby name pages list Killian as meaning ‘church.’ In addition to ‘bright headed, little warrior and blind. Mean while in JM Barrie’s book of Peter Pan he is called James Hook… James meaning is ‘supplanter.’ So I was just thinking if they did not use James then what made them select Killian Jones. Anyone hear / read anything on this? Just curious… maybe they had big plans from the start and it is not really like those Anti Hook comments floating around stating that the power of the CS Fandom is influencing A&E. Maybe they planned to give him a better name than his current self deserved… maybe they planned all along a gradual progression of becoming a better man… worthy of his name. Just a thought…
Interesting!! A&E are all about the parallels and symbolism! Good call looking up the meanings of the names…it’s more subtle than the Queen/Regina, Snow/MM, Rumple/Gold ones, but it definitely works!
When the show began, it established the traditional couples – Snowing, Cinderella and what’s-his-face, Rumbelle and then they started breaking away from the ‘traditional’ or ‘Disney-esque’ mold. First they redefined ‘True Love’ with Emma and Henry’s relationship, and then they started toying with the question of ‘One True Love’ vs ‘Truly Loving’ but moving on. I think at this point there’s no telling who will end up with who, and I like that. So, I think Tink, or Neal, or anyone, other than the MAJOR two traditional pairings could eventually be paired together. There’s secondary characters that they could be paired with, characters they haven’t introduced, or “regular” people, like Emma and Henry, that they could introduce in the future. Again, better storytelling than falling back on the same old, reused storylines and triangles. And I think that’s why many CS fans felt Emma/Hook/Neal as a real triangle. They’re 3 of the main characters to address the various themes the A&E have introduced. So I think although it seems Tink may get a romantic pairing later in the season or next, I doubt it will be Hook or even Neal. Way too predictable.
A very good take on what the Winter Finale – 3.11 “Going Home” Link : Warning, May include SPOILERS: http://sdcitygal.tumblr.com/post/69868828255/thoughts-and-speculation-ouat-winter-finale Edit: for typo/ spoilers
I love this theory! It does tie everything together nicely. And it supports my own theory that there is no way Hook spent 300 years solely trying to think of a way to kill Rumple to avenge Milah’s death. I think a lot of Hook’s animosity toward Rumple actually is due to Hook’s relationship with Bae. Milah was…not the nicest of gals…or winning any prizes for mother of the year, and I think eventually, Hook’s desire to hurt Rumple for that would have waned a bit. Not completely, ’cause now he’s stuck in Neverland, but a bit. But here come’s Milah’s son, who Hook first takes under his wing because of their relationships to Milah, but then comes to love as a son because of the person Bae is. I think he didn’t give Bae over to Pan as revenge for Bae’s rejecting Hook, I think Hook did it because he knew that kid wasn’t going to survive on his own on Neverland by himself. Safer for Bae to have a forced alliance with Pan, at least at first, than to be completely alone. But I also think it killed him to 1) have to give Bae up and 2) to give him up to Pan. I think his relationship with Bae renewed Hook’s desire to kill Rumple, though this likely wasn’t knowingly on Hook’s part. I also think that’s why he decided to back off when it comes to the Emma/Hook/Neal triangle — both because of his relationship with Bae and now for “the sake of the boy”. Hook may not be anyone’s biological father, but when it comes to some of the parents on OUAT, he shines in comparison.
Not that I don’t think he loves Emma, it’s obvious he looooooves Emma, but whether he realizes it or not, I think some of his motivation this season has to do with Bae and Henry; he’s not just along on the trip as Emma’s puppy. He’s there because NL = Bae, and helping save his son is Hook’s way of honoring Bae. And I think when Emma sees this, she’s going to fall even harder than she has. That’s why I’m hoping they cut with this Emma/Hook/Neal nonsense, and focus on Emma/Hook, Hook/Neal and Hook/Henry
relationships. Such better fodder for storytelling than the old love triangle hoopla.
On the lighter side, this works for their ‘connection’
My response…….. 
Dies of feels :p Really love this recaper ( http://teenwolfmixtapes.tumblr.com/post/69515991800/ouat-3×10-the-new-neverland-recap ), I LOL every time 
Ok, you all have been posting the best gifs, pics and whatnot today – I had to stop myself from laughing out loud at work, thank you very much! – but I do believe this is my favorite!
@Jenna B As far as I can tell Snowing does know about jail. I mean I think they know Henry was born in jail but not that Emma and Neal lived a life of crime together and that Neal’s actions resulted in Emma ending up in jail. I don’t think Emma knows the whole story – heck, we don’t know the whole story and I’m guessing Neal doesn’t know the whole story! I agree that Daddy Charming is a bigger Hook fan than Neal fan simply because they spent time together on NL, he really doesn’t know Neal at all. Which is actually something that bothers me. Hook made an actual effort to try to bond with Charming while Neal hasn’t shown the least amount of interest in getting to know Charming at ALL. Typically when a guy is seriously interested in a girl he will try to get in good with her dad – it just shows poor character to me for Neal to not show any interest in getting to know Charming, but maybe I am old fashioned (then again Neal is hundreds of years old so he should be old fashioned too). And I agree with you that Charming probably feels badly that he seriously misjudged Hook because he is a pirate. I don’t think that is necessarily an issue for him anymore. I think they could have some fun with the Hook/Charming bromance on the show since they are the same age. It would be awkward for Emma’s dad and her boyfriend to be the same age and hanging out together at a bar. But I think they have a lot of the same traits and since they are establishing that Snow and Emma are a lot alike they could have some fun with the two of them commiserating over how difficult the two of them be over beers.
HAHA I want to see that scene — Emma walking in to a bar and seeing Dad and the boyfriend tossing back a few.. Jen Morrison would absolutely nail that facial expression!
Thanks for the clarification re: the jail business…that’s the one problem I have with OUAT sometimes…remembering who knows what and who’s in the dark!
