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Loved it! Agreed, there was a LOT packed into the hour, but that’s pretty typical with season premieres. There’s a lot to get done – remind returning viewers what happened last (apparently not all viewers are as rabid about every single second as us…weiiiird… 🙂 ), provide enough exposition to get new viewers interested in returning, and start a new chapter of the story. So, I think they did a good job. I have to say, I was pretty impressed with the CGI Pabbie! The snowmonster wasn’t too bad for OUAT CGI either, I thought.
I felt the interactions with Hook & Emma were completely spot on. I like that Hook is challenging Emma to deal with their new ‘status’ but knows when to back off. He didn’t come off whiny to me. He knows Emma, she acts exactly as expected but really, it’s still going to be frustrating dealing with the morning after cooldown after their fun lil game of tonsil hockey the night before! I actually really loved his response to her ‘be patient’ – once again reinforcing he’ll be there, but pointing out a monster could come kill him at any moment – almost kind of acknowledging her ‘there’s a crisis’ attempt to put things on hold.
[adrotate group="5"]9 hours, 24 mins to go! (I think…math isn’t my strong suit! ha!) OR – 8 hours, 24 mins to go until the recap! From what I’m hearing, CSers’ headcannons and theories from the last 2 years are going to be validated quite nicely!! 🙂
In regard to the haters….seriously, it just makes me amused now. You either like the characters you like, or you don’t. I don’t really DISlike any of the characters, so I have no idea what it’s like to get so ridiculously up in arms about a character you hate…but why one would put the amount of energy into reinforcing negativity in their own lives and push it upon others makes zero sense to me. I am by no means Miss Constant-Happy-Camper myself, but I don’t wallow in, and push my negativity onto others.
In regard to being able to sway other people’s opinions on characters – I think you can but the person has to be open to it. During the winter hiatus I was intrigued by hardcore Neal fans and what made them like his character the way I love our pirate. I didn’t dislike Neal, but I couldn’t connect with him. So I did ask questions, made sure it was understood I was asking for my own understanding and it was not an attempt to start any kind of war or anything. And I got some really good feedback. It definitely helped my understanding of Neal and made me really want to see his story in regard to how it related to Rumple and Henry (I’ve always thought his relationship with Emma was too far destroyed to fix, but amicable co-parenting/something akin to friendship was possible…but that’s it!)
HAPPY ONCE DAY!!!! I’m so excited!!!!
I’m comfortable with A&E’s response to the TL vs SoulMate question – and congrats for getting your question asked, Obisgirl! I’m glad they admitted they were stumped by the question and basically came up with an answer on the spot instead of trying to cover it up.
My issue is that for A and E and ONCE the “happy ending” always always gets wrapped up in finding your true love/soulmate/penguin/whatever else they want to label this as. Which is crap
I do agree with this, somewhat. But I have more problem with the idea of Happy Ending more than it getting wrapped up in finding your TL. Because, how exactly do you have a Happy Ending – when life goes on? You’re going to stay stagnant for the next however many years? Well, that’s boring, not to mention impossible. You don’t allow yourself to grow and change because you’ve met a True Love? Again, boring and impossible.
Instead I like David’s concept of life as he explained it to Emma – it’s made up of moments and you have to appreciate the good ones. So…you have moments with your True Love(s – because I believe you can have more than one at any given time) but those aren’t your only happy moments. What about the accomplishments and growth you experience sans True Love(s)? They don’t count as much? TL should enhance your life, not become your sole reason for existence. (Looking at you, Snowing)
So while, I can see OQ going downhill real fast really quickly if RH starts stringing the women along and Regina goes all Dark Side because of it. I can believe that RH genuinely have TL for each. But that doesn’t mean you get to act all – to quote POM ‘douchey’ ( 🙂 ) because of it!
Dont take the internet to bed with you folks – it isnt conducive to sleeping
Just saw these ‘cast’ spoilers for CS:“Emma’s in a very vulnerable state at this point,” said Jennifer Morrison. When we last left the savior, she had succumbed to her feelings for Captain Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) and had settled on remaining in Storybrooke with her family, something Morrison notes is a big step for the character. “She’s never really had a true home. There are all these relational things that she’s faced with and that’s really uncomfortable for Emma, she’s always been a bit emotionally stunted, so she’s definitely stretching and growing.”
Fans can expect Emma to be a little too busy to renew her dating life. “Obviously they have to deal with what happened,” added O’Donoghue, offering just a hint of a preview at how the “Frozen” queen is going to complicate things.
& tease on Emma’s back story:
Morrison remained mum on upcoming peeks into Emma’s past, and life in foster care, though the actress did tease that the story is “incredibly unexpected. What they reveal about part of her past is something that I didn’t see coming,” she admitted, “but I think it really adds a layer of depth to the storytelling that’s going to bring people even closer to the edge of their seats.”
There’s OQ, Regina, Snow, Charming, Will & Henry in there as well
http://variety.com/2014/scene/news/once-upon-a-time-cast-previews-challenges-backstories-at-season-four-premiere-1201310829/ Fans can expect Emma to be too busy…? I’m guessing this writer lives under a rock where OUAT is concerned…’cause based on all of the other spoilers I think us CSers are going to get a whole lot of what we’ve been waiting for! PS – I have to find the pic, I think it’s in the spoilers thread here but I forget – Hook’s apparently got his Hook back in Ep7? Interesting….
Ok, so not CS related but – @Bo-Peeps and everyone else who talked about Outlander! It’s so good!!! I’m binge-watching….I can see why CSers enjoy it. My husband’s going to be so excited – I just might become obsessed with another show he’ll refuse to watch! 🙂
8 days, kids!! We’re in the home stretch!
I can’t handle all the pretties!!! (Yes, I totally can, keep ’em coming!)
My son and husband are visiting the inlaws for the next 5 days, so our pirate and I have quite the marathon date planned. I don’t have a lot of the early S3 episodes on DVR still so I haven’t seen them in a while…8 more days, so I have to prepare!!
I’m hoping that what I’m inferring from these spoilers is right…I don’t want to see another half season of Emma treating Hook like her own lil punching bag, but it would be completely OOC for her to suddenly be totally comfortable with and capable of handling a ‘normal’ relationship. Hook, too. So those bumps and challenges are fine…there’s a lot of material there that I really hope they focus on them moving forward and learning how to navigate, as opposed to the so-completely-overdone keep ’em together, break ’em up story.
The Watcher wrote:
The love where u can fart around someone and totally not have to say excuse me because they know what the deal is v_v
Ok! My new definition of True Love!!! Awesome, Wat! (And, actually, when you think about it, does explain it quite well…)
I’m hoping we see the show re-focus on Henry as a central character, since everyone and their mother is related to the kid, and watch various characters’ relationships with Henry develop – primarily his relationship with Rumple.
*snarky RG comment here that is only acceptable because @Jenna_B and I like each other*
Haha! Hey, now, you know my comment about Rumple & Henry is only because it’s what’s possible based on canon! I may not ship SF romantically, but I still haven’t forgiven A&E for taking away a beautiful co-parenting friendship, my favorite BroTP and most importantly, an awesome break the Stiltskin cycle father-son relationship!! GRRRRRR….but happier thoughts, happier thoughts…
Yes, this is something to take into consideration. The characters are mostly archetypes and exist in a mythic way, meaning that their actions match what we expect “villains” and anti heroes do in a mythic realm. HOWEVER, this is a show about those mythic figures existing in our reality, so I can’t dissociate entirely from their actions because it gives those characters–Regina, Hook, Rumple–license to do whatever they want simply because “they are fairy tale characters”
Good point…but I think you have to put it in context…you mentioned that these characters are in our world…but are they really? Or are they living in some kind of cross-land that happens to inhabit our world? Meaning – even in Kansas (I think) they mentioned the sheriff’s office’s security was on beta (hehehe) but they have other modern day technologies, like cell phones…the clothes are somewhat modern but Rumple and Regina’s cars are not…only what? 3 of them can cross the town line without losing their memories? So…while they are technically here, I don’t know that our laws/ethics completely apply…I think in EF, if you truly are repentant, you are technically redeemed…so therefore, I think I give a little more leeway to the villains, provided they are ACTUALLY repentant and redeemed.
I…hesitate here because this is not a defend your ship thread and if it turns into this I’m going cry. And we all know I don’t ship CS. So this is going to brief and with the understanding that I’m respond to the overall idea not bashing the ship. But, there is a difference between learning that your partner doesn’t actually like your lasagna or prefers a certain kind of laundry detergent and learning that your partner has committed the kind of crimes Hook/Rumple/Regina have.
In regard to lies of omission…Belle is kind of off on her own…but in regard to Robin and Emma – yes, each relationship needs to confront a major issue. Personally, I feel Regina’s almost-killing Marian is more difficult to overcome for obvious reasons….Hook’s actions regarding Ariel aren’t pretty but in the end, she did find Eric and I admit, I can justify his choosing his ship over some girl he just met….(and yes, conceding the CS/Hook goggles are on when I say that so I know there are lots of arguments against the same! No ill feelings toward any anti-Hookers or CSers! No tears from our Keymaster intended!!! 🙂 )
Ok, so I just read the last 10 pages…I think I’m fairly decently caught up…?!
To me, A&E have used the last three seasons to define concepts integral to the overall story. We have defined ‘family,’ ‘hope,’ and ‘home’ – which, to me are the 3 biggest concepts so far. Next, I think we’re going to take those concepts to further look at the concept of ‘true love’. I suspect, with what we know about S4, we’re going to see more emphasis on true love that is not romantic. We’ve seen in S1 and S3, when Emma and Regina each broke a curse with TL kiss with Henry, so in OUAT-verse, we have learned TL is not limited to romantic love. I would assume, since A&E have confirmed Elsa does not have a romantic partner, they’re going to use Frozen to introduce a healthy sibling relationship. I’m hoping we see the show re-focus on Henry as a central character, since everyone and their mother is related to the kid, and watch various characters’ relationships with Henry develop – primarily his relationship with Rumple.
In regard to the romantic love – Snowing: co-dependent to the point of ridiculousness, and frankly, I’m hoping their parenting skills develop with the lil Royal. I do find their actions regarding Emma to be unrealistic. As a parent, I don’t care who I’m saving or why I’m doing it, there is NO WAY I’m sticking my kid in some tree thing to send them to goodness knows where. While I don’t think Snow’s desire to have another child because they missed out on raising Emma is as heinous as some do, I DO have a huge problem with Snow’s declaration that she would stay in NL with Charming as opposed to return to SB with Emma. I don’t know why they tend to portray Snow as totally turning a blind eye to their decisions regarding Emma, or what Emma went through as a result. I hope we do learn more about it, because IF I had given up my child, only to learn their childhood was – at best – miserable and lonely, and see that as an adult they’re barely capable of functioning emotionally…my duty is to my child. Snowing need to realize they made some huge errors in judgment – and that’s putting it mildly. The more I think about it, those decisions are almost as bad as some of the decisions the villains have made….(probably unpopular thought, I know)
Which is probably why I don’t tend to have the same issues with the villains that some do. Yes, if we ran into Rumple, Regina or Hook in our world, we wouldn’t be forgiving of them AT ALL. However, when you look at their actions in the context of the EF, for me, they’re a little more acceptable. I think Regina and Hook have worked far more diligently to redeem themselves than Rumple. Yes, they’ve backslid and no, neither one is by any means a saint. But I think their desire to turn their lives around for those they love is far stronger than Rumple’s. So –
CaptainSwan — at this point, I’m ok with what Emma & Hook have divulged to each other and what they haven’t. I think they know each other well…they know they have more to learn, and I think they know there’s also a lot of negative to be learned about each other – whether it be their own actions, or experiences that inhibit them from fully functioning in a romantic relationship. There’s only so much you can learn about someone – I’ve been with my husband for 7 years; I know the kind of person he is, and I know most of his stories and what makes him the person he is, but I certainly don’t know everything. In every kind of relationship, you are constantly learning about the other person.
Outlaw Queen — the ‘because the pixie dust told me so’ justification is, indeed, weak. I think I can buy Outlaw Queen, not because pixie dust says they’re TL, but because they ARE in the beginning of a relationship. It’s new and until Marian came back, they hadn’t moved past the ‘honeymoon stage’ where everything is roses and wonderful and love is love and blah blah let’s-make-everyone-around-us-vomit. I do buy the instant attraction – and even the snippets of the lost year in the EF that we’ve seen show 2 people who are attracted to each other, though begrudgingly. I don’t buy they’re actually in love yet, because I don’t buy the whole pixie dust is omniscient spiel. And they’re obviously about to hit a huge….hurdle….in their relationship.
RumBelle — Belle, Belle, Belle. I do actually find this relationship toxic. Firstly, because the thing that sets villain Rumple aside from villains Regina and Hook – again, for me – is that Rumple really has no desire to change, and certainly hasn’t done anything to change. I think he feels perfectly justified in killing Zelena and lying to Belle. Because Belle has allowed this from the very beginning. As mentioned, Belle DOES know a lot of what Rumple has done – and she is well aware of what are possibly the worst things he’s done – kill the mother of his own child, and abandon that child in favor of his power. Say what you will about Hook and Regina – to me, I do believe at this point in time, that Regina would give anything and everything for Henry, and Hook for Emma. Belle has that same ‘blind eye’ that Snow has — and to me, if she continues to turn a blind eye to Rumple’s present-day actions, then said blindness is just as bad as the evil actions themselves. Rumple’s actions regarding Zelena are not justifyable in my opinion – because I don’t think it’s what Neal would have wanted! If someone would have huge issue with you avenging their death by killing the person you blame for said death, then you’re avenging nothing; that killing is the same as killing some random stranger on the street with no motive (not that killing is justifyable at all…but for purposes of the argument).
And with that I end my ridiculously long post.
I actually think the swan necklace is most apropos of all possible objects here. The necklace – from Emma’s point of view – symbolized love, then symbolized her distrust and refusal to love, and then she realized she could accept and even embrace her past instead of being stuck in and stunted by it. I think she put the necklace on again after Neal died, not just to honor him as the father of her child and a significant part of her past, but to symbolize the work Emma had done to overcome that past and move forward.
So while some, I’m sure, are going to grab onto the necklace and say it has to do directly with Neal, her TL, blah blah blah, I think at this point the necklace has very little to do with Neal and everything to do with the person Emma has become since then.
