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Oooohh I was reading a CS fic and in it Hook thought about how TLK is supposed to break any curse but how he tried TLK once before and it didn’t work. Do you think that will come up at all in the actual show? I think it would be good to revisit that and maybe the Charmings tell him it doesn’t work when memories are lost. There hasn’t been any mention of it at all about him trying TLK despite the fact that Emma would obviously remember that he tried.
i hope them bring this up… they kinda of forget about a lot of things that I really want and answer to. lol – I want to send A&E a list.
[adrotate group="5"]HE – thank you for your kind words! They are much appreciated…to be quite honest I almost hit my breaking point yesterday, I was so sick and tired of feeling like I walk around on eggshells 90% of the time and get dumped on if I venture outside this one thread. I was this close to leaving the forum altogether (seriously it’s a sad day when tumblr is more positive)but my shipmates and fellow OUATers had some excellent posts here to draw me back in!
I didnt even try to venture out of here. I feel better that i didnt. I’m so wound tight at work I dont think i could deal with those people.
Speaking of landing back on page 2… does anyone have issues when using their phone? My keeps moving the cursor to the front of the word and it doubles letters. any one else have this on their phone or is it just me?
Personally, I am kind of excited to see what they do with the situation. We have been talking about how Killian has self-loathing issues for ages now but I feel like this was the episode that made it abundantly clear to everyone. It’s interesting to me that the recent debate has been around how long Emma can continue to hold Killian at arm’s length and/or is she being mean to him when she deals with him from behind her walls, and now we suddenly have a situation where Emma’s walls seem to be GONE as far as Killian is concerned but now Killy is going to have issues. I think it is going to be great!!! I really, really think that Emma is going to realize how just how much Killian has believed in her and loved her despite her flaws and the walls she put up when she finds out how ashamed he was of what happened during the missing year. Because I truly feel that Emma has finally accepted that she loves him. And I think that just like Killian has loved and accepted Emma regardless of the things she has done or the way she had treated him at times, she is going to love him no matter what happened – I think he has proven himself enough to her that she is going to understand WHY he made the choices he did, and she’s going to love him anyway – and that is going to blow him away!!! I really think that is what CS needs. Killian is completely out of his element. He knows he used to be a good person hundreds of years ago and he desparately wants to be that person again but he needs someone to tell him that they believe in him. In the EF Ariel verbalized to him exactly what he is terrified of “you’re selfish and you’re heartless and that is what will bring you wasted years and endless torment. You’ll never be happy.” So far Emma has not been in an emotional place where she has been able to see what Killian needs and give him what he needs. Now she is. The tables are turned now. I think that Killian was successful in building up Emma and convincing her that she is strong, powerful, and loved. And now that she is able to let go of the past, I think that she is finally going to actually LOOK at Killian and SEE him. I think she will see HIS pain and his lack of confidence and I think she will recognize that SHE is the person that has to build him up.
yes yes. agreed
I don’t think anyone has posted these recaps yet: http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/82699664946/why-i-was-floored-by-the-jolly-roger-this-was http://www.tv.com/shows/once-upon-a-time-2011/community/post/once-upon-a-time-season-3-episode-17-the-jolly-roger-review-139714389701/ I’d say overall they were pretty positive reviews coming from two non CS shippers. It was a fun episode overall, regardless of what you ship. This made me laugh outloud today
too funny
Loved the rum cake to us CS Shippers. sorry can’t figure out how to copy and paste on my phone from tumblr to here
I think after everything Hook went through in this episode he’s going to tell Emma very soon. I completely understand why he didn’t say anything to her by the end of the episode — Hi, he’s going to drop the “L” bomb on Emma…in front of her parents, co-Momma…and the kid?? Riiiight. That’s plausible.
I hope. Colin does a great job… i have never been invested in a character before… ever. I felt sad going to bed – which i guess is sad for me -lol. He really makes you feel Hook self loathing, angst, guilt, sadness, longing… etc. geez we do get a lot of feels from that man.
I hope he goes to Charming and tells him everything. Charming tells him why would you do that… gets a little loud and Hook snaps that he had nothing left. That’s when Charming says you have us ( snowing ) and Hook tells him that he knows that they just tolerate him and think of him of as just a pirate. Then Charming can tell him – ‘ not any more. ‘ so that is my hope for our poor pirate. then they can hatch a plan to get ride of that kiss curse. lol – did she put an aphrodisiac in it? lol – now that he pulled away the poor thing will probably have to beat Emma off. lol
Despite obviously disagreeing with his choices and hoping he would choose a different path it wasn’t really OOC for Hook to do what he did. Hook has suffered a lot of losses in his life and he is not hopeful like the Charmings. I think this was further illustrated by the little CaptainCharming scene at the diner. Frankly, even the Charmings had apparently zero hope of seeing Emma again so I don’t think it is shocking that Hook wouldn’t have hope either. I think it would be pretty natural for Hook to seek solace in the one constant in his life (the ship) if he felt he would never see Emma again. I liked the double meaning of his words regarding the ship. I am not surprised that he was unwilling to give up the one thing he had left in order to help a relative stranger. I said it earlier that I don’t really consider Hook to be a hero (yet) and this was very clearly demonstrated.
You have so many good points… Hook has had 300 years of a loveless, friendless life – i doubt very much that he is an optimistic person, more of a realist. If the curse was that SB was undone and there was no way to un do it – I’m sure Hook took that as true. If Regina couldnt break the undoing of SB to be with Henry what luck did a ‘pirate’ have. And Hook knows his capabilities when it comes to pirating … but everything else he is on new ground and re-learning as he goes… not exactly a confidence builder and probably after 300 years of being Captain Hook being Killian Jones is not like riding a bike.
POM – I too was all for Captain Hook taking back his ship. I would not have traded the JR either for most of the points you have listed. He probably could have spared his life for the information – but i guess he has a lot going on in his head and probably felt trapped into a path. Because you are right… Hook needs his reputation. As far as he knows Emma’s gone forever and he is 2 skills that can earn him money. 1. join a navy – who the heck is going to hire Captian Hook to sail a royal ship? 2. pirate captain. He knows both and really only 1 is possible. Its not like Hook can all of a sudden learn a trade and start weaving baskets…
So he has no family, no friends, no love, no ship, no choices and no clear idea of who he is anymore. He’s in limbo and having an identity crises. this leaves him only his reputation to use to keep surviving – which he all know that he does well… he is not going to just roll over and die. Plus as you said – a fearsome name is going to gain you the ship’s treasure without blood shed on either side. And to all of a sudden have the opportunity to regain one of those items – the ship where he has had so many miles stones, and has been his only constant and not to mention his home for 250 years or so – he is going to jump on it. I’m sure any little thoughts of what was right were getting fiercely repressed while he did what he thought he ‘needed’ to do – he ‘needed’ his ship. In his mind its almost where he has linked the JR and Emma – his homes.
I agree that while i was all on board for him to have returned to the EF in the same state of mind that he was in SB it would be unreasonable to think that Hook wouldnt have an emotional and mental struggle and go through some set backs. so I guess A&E know better than me, because 3×17 does make more sense this way. But it BROKE MY HEART seeing the anguish he was in through out the episode. and to watch him dig himself deeper and deeper and covering his ass with more and more lies was so hard to watch. And of course the moment he pulls back from Emma she is all about him. Too bad he wasnt just ‘playing’ hard to get.
on a side note – I loved Regina this episode. I loved her talking about hook and Henry and why a 12 year old would of course like him. And especially the diner scene where they looked like a family for real. and how she is the only one to call Emma out on Hook.
I do hope he finds Charming right away and comes clean about it all.
Hey … maybe A&E are waiting for Hook to finally realize he is not just a pirate and he can be more and then maybe then… we can get a real and lasting wardrobe change. yeah! Love the leather, but its time. he can keep the guy liner though – works for him.
[quote=261294]I AM SO DEAD RIGHT NOW! Hook ( Colin) was sooo good tonight! I was thinking, what if when Emma wants to kiss Hook and tell him she loves him, Hook will be like” No, I don’t love you”.. Won’t it parallel Snowing back in S1? * so dead* [/quote]I think my heart would actually hurt…
You know Regina commented about hook Henry sitting but didn’t try talking her out of it or really implying any disapproval. and while they are discussing hook as a nanny he was teaching Henry to cheat at dice. hahaha
So I took awhile before stopping in… i wasn’t sure how I felt, besides heart broken for Hook. we had so many great ideas on the spoilers but those crashed and burned. but i guess that was us being too optimistic I think. I can understand why he went brigand. not like a navy would take him and he doesn’t seem to know a trade or farming. So i can see him going to what he knows. I get why he made BB walk the plank. The JR was literally all he had left and he couldn’t let ‘HER’ go like he had to left Emma go. He had nothing… no family no ship no Emma no friends and he was losing his reputation and his identity as well… Captain, Villain, Feared, etc . All the things that used to describe him do not fit anymore. He was not ready to admit he wasn’t that man anymore and he us trying to hold on as tight as he could.
I like seeing him so super capable… sword fights besting BB crafty rouse to take the carriage… etc
Poor thing when WW made him admit his “dirty secret”. I loved when he refused to back down and called her out on being afraid of emma… quick thinking and didn’t let her control everything of the encounter.
So was he going to confide in his buddy charming?
I loved how the moment he backs off… not that he is pushy but he just wasn’t ‘there’… not going for dinner… Emma instantly ‘felt / realized ‘ it and became the pursuer.
The WW must have seen CS developing that she would go after Hook and curse his lips. she had to see a smooch coming. they aren’t dating or friends with benefits so Www had to be reading between the lines and planning for the enevitable. So WWW can see CS forming but this chat room can’t. Lol
