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OK so the opposition has been logging in some serious numbers on their thread and after skimming ours i popped in and picked a random page. LMAO – seriously are they watching the same show? Emma is like a wild animal Hook is chasing and that Neal would have let go and followed her in the portal instantly without the snark. lol really? just really now!
Well they might find issue with that scene – but I loved it. I rewind it all the time… LOVE IT! Absolutely (censored word) adorable.
Not for nothing – is Hook not allowed to feel anything – happy, sad, annoyed, frustrated etc? OK the show is about Emma but the sun doesnt revolve around her. I thought it was cute… he knows that he is jumping through hoops for Emma and while the logical reasoning would be for him to stop… he pretty much says… yeah well – here I go anyway. WHY? because he LOVES her. Hook would NEVER send her to jail. Charming would never have send SW to jail. They would have moved heaven and earth to figure another way to get Emma on track for her ‘destiny.’ and if it was thought that their relationship was holding Emma back… its would most definitely be IN CHARACTER for either Hook or PC to remove themselves from the situation instead of sending Emma to jail.
We should seriously make a list of all the negative points against Hook and Neal and put mitigating actions or explanations and see who really totals up to be the better man – worthy of Emma.
[adrotate group="5"]Agree KJ – they hold onto the key chain sentimentally with an iron fist but they cannot understand the attachment to the JR? Its like selective hearing… they hear/know what they want to. They are just plain old jealous because Emma WANTS Hook and their ship sunk.
Only in this case it’s Unleashing Shipper Tension!
lol – hey you got to vent. I’m guilty too and it does make you feel so much beter… especially when you finish your ‘opinion’ and and say “wait – is no longer IMO but FACT’
WE ARE CANON!!!!!
Yes, Yes we are.
^^^ It was part of out insidious plan when we were setting up the world economy that way once you women would see how little you need us we would still have a fail safe
hahaha – crafty little buggers you are
If that is the case, what now?? Everything is all messed up. You have Robin and Marian back together who were never supposed to be together in the first place and weren’t supposed to get back together, you have Marian away from whoever her TL is, you have Regina and Robin KNOWING they are TL but can’t be together, you have everyone thinking Regina executed Marian in an original past but they really don’t know that for sure AND it NEVER happened in the re-do past. It’s a big mess!!
Quite the mess indeed
Women who are independant and don’t need us it’s hard for us! We try to find a place in their life where we can find some use! I hear a lot of women who have it together and basically show that they don’t need anything from a man have trouble in relationships, and I’d say it’s because as guy’s we don’t see a use for ourselves in this persons life
I agree with you KJ, I have been there and a side effect to not feeling like you need your guy or that you can do it better than your guy is that you inflate your own self-worth (justly or unwarranted ) and in doing so lose respect for your guy. A relationship is doomed if both sides do not respect the other.
And there is a billon dollar industries that revolve around women looking as fantastic as possible… more times than not – for her guy. See if men werent men – our economies would really be in the toilet. lol
I would have to rewatch but I think that Maid M said in the cell that her family thinks she’s already dead. I assume Robin thought she had died some other way that had nothing to do with Regina before Maid M was captured by her for helping Snow. Robin didnt know at the time that Maid M was in the jail cell or he would have gone after her, after all he did say he would go to Hell for her or something to that effect. Maid M never told Regina who she was in order to protect her family so even Regina didnt know she had killed his wife. I think the biggest danger to OQ here is the knowledge that Maid M brings with her when she tells him, no she didn’t die the way he had thought, Regina had captured her and then would have had her executed if Emma hadn’t saved her. Even if they pull a “Final Destination” on her and kill her off, this knowledge will certainly put a damper on OQ. I think OQ is adorable and while I don’t ship them hardcore like I do Captain Swan I would like to see them together. I just don’t see how this will be possible. But we are talking about Adam & Eddie here so anything is possible.
Thanks – I didnt hear that part
good point…
but A&E do like to torture their couples so I guess they will get there eventually – just hopefully they are not as abused as Rumbelle. That lot has it rough.
You know what I’ve decided? You know how people always say that men don’t understand women??? I think a big problem with the people who hate Killian and hate CS is that they don’t understand men. @KJ feel free to tell me if I am way off base here . . .
I’ve been married for almost 10 years and most of my friends are married – we all talk about our marriages, I’ve been in a gazillion Bible studies that deal with marriage, before I was married I dated several guys seriously and had one very bad marriage. And I have seen some extremely consistent things about men.I think many people forget that this show is created by two MEN and, as such, we are often going to be presented things from a male point of view. Now A and E have done a great job of creating FEMALE characters on the show who aren’t the traditional females that you think of when you think of fairy tale princesses etc. They are strong and independent and kick-butt, they can hold their own in a sword fight, they are the ones who end up saving the day, etc. But most men (I say most not to stereotype, but honestly this applies to EVERY man I know and every man I have heard about from friends, etc) have a very specific notion of what it means to be a man who is on a epic quest for adventure. Hence, the reason we have the traditional prince characters in fairy tales and the more modern characters such as those in Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and every men’s favorite movie “Braveheart.” It’s just a guy thing. And A and E are guys. So even though they have “modernized” the women on OUaT, A and E also want to have strong male characters on the show as well.
A classic element of a strong male character to men is the ability to “rescue” a woman BUT this does NOT mean that the woman is WEAK and has to be rescued because she is so weak she can’t take care of herself. This is where I think people are completely misunderstanding things. The “rescuing” a woman thing means that they have a need to rescue or provide the woman from or with something that only HE can provide her with. Killian is the PERFECT example of this. He has no doubt that Emma can take of herself, he knows that she doesn’t “need” him – she could survive just fine without him. He understands that she is actually more powerful than he is because of her magic, he is well aware that she is royalty and holds a higher station in life than he does. But for Killian what he wants to rescue Emma from is her own self-doubt and inability to trust. That becomes his quest – and having a quest is very important to a man. In fact it’s so important that many men fall into a deep depression when they retire from working because they feel as if they no longer serve any important purpose in their life. So Killian’s quest is to “save” Emma but the haters have completely misunderstood what that means because they don’t understand what that looks like from a man’s perspective.
It’s also the reason people are calling Killian a misogynistic pig (I swear if I read that one more time I’m going to puke) for appreciating what Emma looks like and for saying they are destroying Emma’s character by having her like it. Men are visual by nature – that is how they are stimulated, it’s a simple fact. Women aren’t stupid, they know this – I’ve never heard of a women deciding to pull sweats out of the dirty laundry hamper, remove her makeup, and not shower for two days before going on a first date. Women purposely put more attention into what they look like when they go out with a man because they want to look appealing for him. Anyone can try to deny this and I won’t believe them. A and E are men. Men like boobs. There are a LOT of boobs on this show. Trust me – my husband points them out to me every week. But I haven’t heard anyone complain about boobs until Emma yanked hers up to distract past Hook. That doesn’t make Hook or A and E misogynistic pigs. It makes them men and it makes Emma smart. You know what I do when my husband and I get to go out for a nice, special occasion date alone? I get dressed up and wear something revealing that shows off the girls. Why? Because my hubby likes my boobs. That’s right. He’s a man – he likes ‘em, I’m a women – I’ve got ‘em, funny how it works out that way isn’t it??? So it really shouldn’t be all that surprising that as CS relationship has progressed we see Killy enjoying Emma’s body in a more appropriate fashion than Captain Innuendo and Emma being receptive to it – and actually enjoying it. Because remember two men create this show. And something else men LOVE is knowing that the woman they love wants to share her body with him.
Hence the scene where present Killy gets jealous that Emma is prepping the girls for past Hook. Coming from a man’s perspective this whole scene is interesting for a number of reasons. First Killy is being jealous and protective of Emma – especially her body and her sexuality. At this point, even though it hasn’t been established, he views her as “his” – not in the “I own her” way that the haters have insisted upon, but in a “it’s my job to protect this part of her” way. Men are extremely protective of their wife’s or girlfriend’s body, just watch what happens in a bar sometime if a guy even THINKS some other guy is hitting on his wife or girlfriend. So A and E have some serious fun with this scene. Emma knows exactly how to distract past Hook cause she knows exactly what she and current Killy would like, and Killy can’t do anything about it because it’s HIM she’s trying to distract. . . until he has to WATCH it. This is every man’s worst nightmare, but in Killy’s case it’s even worse for two reasons. One – HE hasn’t gotten there yet. And two – he honestly feels that he needs to physically protect Emma from his past self. This is really important because they have already established over and over that he knows Emma can take care of herself so he isn’t trying to say she can’t hold her own. But, as a man, he is so protective of this aspect of Emma that he doesn’t even trust his past self with her – even though they made it perfectly clear that past Hook was completely love struck and wasn’t going to hurt her (and Emma seemed to be having fun). He wasn’t just jealous, he had become such a different person that he viewed past Hook as another man pawing Emma and that past version of himself was not good enough for her. So just like what would happen at a bar – Killy knocks him on his butt.
I’ve also seen people complaining about Killy saying that one day he was going to stop chasing after this woman before he jumped into the portal after Emma. They say it’s a misogynistic comment because he is treating Emma like a wild animal who needs to be chased. First, please excuse me while I find a bucket to puke in. Second, this is just DUMB. And you don’t have to be a man to understand this one – just standing upright and breathing – but I’ll point it out anyway. Killy’s a guy. He is on his quest to save Emma from her self-doubt. She hasn’t gotten there yet – she hasn’t figured out that SB and all the people that love her are her home. He is on his quest to get her to trust again. Part of her trust issue is that people leave her and/or don’t go after her when they can. She was just sucked into a portal. Killian CAN go in after her – so he HAS to because it’s part of his quest to save her from her lack of trust. THIS is his “chase.” His quest is his chase. He has to keep doing all these crazy things and going to all these dangerous and unknown places but it is all part of his quest/chase to save Emma. It was a tongue in cheek comment – basically “Here we go again!! The things I’m willing to do for this woman!!”
This message was approved by my husband . . . who is a man.
And NOT a misogynistic pig even though he likes my boobs.
YES YES YES. I agree 100% with every single one that you have here.
I have not read those stupid comments … but that is absolute nonsense. They are not even playing devil’s advocate – that is just being disagreeable and belligerent. And if he let her go through alone he would have been villain-ized as the Biggest Baddest Baddie out there – far surpassing both the DO and Cora.
And not for nothing Emma is out of her element in the EF and again, even if she can navigate the EF without issue – who really wants to be sucked through a time portal to another world alone? Really? Anyone? If that could happen, I would be more than glad for the company – any company, but a big strong man would really be the top of my list… and one who knows how to use a sword – even better.
And I do not say this as a simpering delicate girlie girl. I have always been of the mindset that I can do anything if I put my mind to it and time and dedication to learning. I while I am more than capable of doing repairs and taking care of myself if needed – if my husband is willing and able – I am not going to complain. Because like all of you – I have plenty of other things on my To Do List. So feminists still down and enjoy that fact that a man WANTS to do these things for you… and hopefully he is shirtless while doing so. He he
So again I’m sure all you strong kick butt woman out there can agree… Emma is more than capable of handling herself and just like RGF said, it is not that Killian is NEEDED to save her, he WANTS to save her. I agree that a man sees the protection of what is ‘HIS’ as his number one priority: his materials, his home, his family – both woman and children. That means protection and providing for them – working hard to put a roof over their heads, food in their bellies, and clothes on their backs. .. and that is not to say women do not contribute. I work very hard as do all of you… in this day and age it is luxury if you are able to choose to stay home and raise the kids… but I do not think we take it as personally or use this as our benchmark of being a good mother and wife/girlfriend. I think while women see more of the daily operations to be more of a benchmark for our self-worth: we made a nice healthy meal for the kids, we have them cleaned and healthy, we have made a nice home for ‘our’ man and ‘our’ children, etc… IMO – it is more of a man’s perspective to look at the large picture from centuries of it being engrained in them that this is what a man does and I am sure that there is just as much ‘natural instinct’ involved as well. And as RGF said – when taken away, a man may feel unneeded and less of a man. Just like us Mom’s are super proud when our children can do something independently but it is bittersweet as they no longer ‘need’ us. its the same thing
Men are men and they are different and these are some of the reasons why…look at animals in nature… being possessive / territorial and testosterone filled is normal for MALES…it is what it is and for a man to be more lax in such things is actually more of an evolution away from nature due to the continue decrease in the need for such things.
And as far as ‘possession’ as woman do we not consider our husbands and boyfriends ‘ours’… not like a thing but still never the less ours? my man, my husband, my BF…
I don’t know about the rest of you – but boyfriends that I had that were ‘less manly’ and ‘capable’ didn’t last long. Even though I could do it, I would start to lose respect for him if he couldn’t. I while I can, I want to know that I have a strong man would can do it right along with me and has my back in anything… everyday tasks or grand adventures.I hope I did not offend any of my fellow CS shippers – I know this topic has so many opinions… this just happens to be mine.
