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Keb
ParticipantEmma did comment on Henry’s gift basket for Regina. So they had one brief conversation.
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Keb
ParticipantYeah, Milah made her own choice, and left both her husband and her son to do it–I’m not a great fan of Milah’s, but it was her choice to leave.
However, she’s dead and mostly out of the picture, save for the fact that the two men who loved her (at least at one time) both believe the other is responsible for his losing her. Rumple believes that without Hook, Milah would have stayed with him and Bae (true or not). Hook was there when Rumple killed Milah. The fact that Rumple killed Milah shows that Rumple saw her as being at least as much at fault for her leaving Bae (and him) as Hook–he “only” took Hook’s hand at the time, and then mainly to get the bean. (But he would have happily killed Hook as a substitute. And his saying that Hook took his wife shows that he still ascribes blame to Hook.)
I feel muddled trying to sort through so many perspectives here, because there are three going on plus the various lenses through which we’ve seen the events told to other characters. In the moment, Hook, Milah, and Rumple all believed they were justified in everything they did. Some of those things they later came to regret (Milah apparently did regret leaving Baelfire, for example). Some of those things the men have managed to move past, to some extent–they formally laid aside their feud to save Henry, and right now for some reason the balance of power seems to be keeping each of them more or less in check (also their current girlfriends/wives). (I’d love to see Emma and Belle developing more of a friendship–we’ve seen hints that they are, as they worked together to defeat Zelena, but that would be a fun parallel storyline to the romances they’re playing up this season.)
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Keb
ParticipantThank you! Lumiere just came from the Disney store today. He lights up and everything.
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Keb
ParticipantRumple usually tells (some beneficial-to-him form of) the truth about the price of magic. That’s why his reaction to Neal’s fate at Zelena’s hands wasn’t “You killed him!” but “You didn’t tell him the price!”
He certainly does mislead people regularly with fine print and loopholes–and keeps a lot of secrets to himself–but he’s generally up front about giving people some kind of choice (though he preys upon the desperate, knowing what choice they’re likely to make) and repeating his catchphrase that magic always comes with a price.
His outright lying about the dagger, Zelena’s death, and using Belle as an alibi is actually somewhat unusual for him; I think that (aside from his love for Belle) is why it bothers him enough to talk to Bae’s grave about it. He knows he’s doing the wrong things this time, whereas usually he feels justified (as he did in The Crocodile when he was confused by what David meant by honesty) because he’s not “lying.” And whatever’s driving him to keep it up must be pretty important to him, because it’s not only going to blow up in his face if (when) Belle realizes it, but it’s now giving his oldest living enemy power over him–and he’s not exactly fighting that by, say, switching the daggers back so Hook has no evidence.
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Keb
ParticipantYou guys make such lovely things with yarn–the pumpkin is inspired, RG!
I just finished (I may mess with the trim a bit) my costume for this year:
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Keb
ParticipantBut when he scooped up the up the dirt from the urn, he borrowed it from Belle, so wasn’t it the fake one? Would the dirt have neutralized the real one? SFG
The DO power is one of the most powerful things we’ve seen in the show’s universe, so I don’t think it would have…but I do think that it was keeping the dirt away from Rumple himself. And you’re right, it would have been the fake dagger he was using, so he knew it was perfectly safe to do so.
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Keb
ParticipantI’m also curious as to whether Walsh is really dead. Emma has every reason to BELIEVE he’s dead; she saw him fall off a tall building, and also shot/watched her family&friends explode a whole bunch of flying monkeys in Storybrooke.
But we also know that Little John, Aurora, and Phillip were monkeys and came back.
And Zelena was still talking to at least once monkey in Storybrooke in the same manner she always spoke to Walsh in Oz, which would place it after Emma saw Walsh vanish.
So Emma’s believe that Walsh is dead may or may not be actually true (though I doubt we’re likely to see him again, regardless). To be fair, she liked him enough to almost agree to marry him. It may have been a ruse on his end (though he did say he actually liked her), but that doesn’t mean her feelings were false, just manipulated.
And she liked Graham enough that her kiss brought back his memories–it was strongly suggested that it was a kind of TLK right before he died. It was a short relationship and nothing like the love she had for Neal, but it was real.
It’s reasonable for her to be connecting the dots that way right now, so close to Neal’s death, even if there’s nothing to it. (Dunno if the writers will ever address it, but) she’s probably feeling very guilty about Neal’s death–she helped it happen by separating him from Rumple with her magic, and she’d confessed to him that she had hoped he was really dead back in Neverland a year before because it would be easier for her. Besides the fact that he was her true love (Belle said so, with the swan necklace as proof, that’s canon enough for me), that’s a lot of emotional weight to deal with only days/weeks at most after his death.
It makes a lot of sense that she’d be freaked out about Hook meeting a similar fate with all that history.
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Keb
ParticipantWhat I loved about Neal was how bravely and selflessly he loved his family (including Emma). He was brave enough to face the Ogre Wars to protect his father when he was just a child, brave enough to try to save his father from the DO curse by going through the portal, brave enough to fly with the shadow to save his adopted brothers, brave enough to let Emma go when he believed that it was the only way for her to get home, brave enough to face his father to protect her from his wrath, brave enough to go through a portal again, alone, so that Henry wouldn’t be without at least one parent, brave enough to go back to Neverland to save his son, and brave enough, in the end, to die so that his father and Emma could save the entire town from Zelena (as stupid as the writing was for that…his bravery and selflessness were at least accurate in that moment).
He made mistakes but he owned them, and he was worth Rumple’s ferocious devotion. His heart was one of the purest and most loving on the whole show.
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Keb
ParticipantHm, the video tape is NOT betamax (that’s VHS) so what’s going on with it? I’m gonna guess it’s a tape of Zelena’s murder with Rumple’s full confession on it, though.
Oh, and Belle’s outfit? I don’t know if I love it…but I do enjoy when they do tributes to the characters’ iconic outfits. (Also, confession, I’ll happily wear almost anything Belle does.)
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Keb
ParticipantOMG. Eva. From the Northern Kingdom. Emma didn’t get that blonde hair from Snow…but…if Eva’s related to DQ……..
Wasn’t there some spoiler about DQ being the middle sister? Eva, the Queen of Arendelle, and DQ…
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