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Keb
ParticipantI don’t think this is really the right place for the discussion, but Welcome to Storybrooke showed us that Regina still had Graham’s heart during the curse and was using it to control his actions.
Beyond that, while Cursed!Graham may have believed he was with Regina of his own free will and she wasn’t using his heart for that, Regina had full control over everyone’s cursed personalities and situations. “Everyone in this town does what I want,” she said. There was free will once the curse started breaking–which is most of what we saw in S1–but even that was twisted by what the queen had put in place. (For example, the Charmings “cheating” on each other…they’d never have been with Whale/Kathryn without the curse, even if under the conditions of the curse they chose to be.)
So you can interpret Graham’s actions as you like, but Regina definitely had the power in the relationship and Graham’s ability to consent (or rather refuse consent) was severely limited in both worlds.
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Keb
ParticipantIt does sound like whatever plans she’s got will end Rumple’s existence as he knows it…but if it’s time travel, she might not be plotting his demise exactly.
The baby…she could be planning to transfer either the Dark One’s powers (under her control) to the infant, or she could be planning to BECOME the baby herself.
Since she said she wanted a do-over…
Mind you, that’s creepy too.
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Keb
ParticipantZoso had to enlist Rumple to steal the dagger from the Duke, though he knew exactly where it was and it wasn’t exactly heavily guarded. I think that controlling the dagger is about more than just holding it physically in your hand.
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Keb
ParticipantWell, the pics & press release already suggest we’ll see at least 9 months’ worth of Cora’s life here…it’s entirely possible that we’ll see some of what happens after she marries Henry, too. After all, there could be as much as 2 years’ worth of backstory in The Miller’s Daughter, and I’d say we got at least 7 years’ worth in The Crocodile.
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Keb
ParticipantWhy are we so convinced Eva’s married in 318?
Also, this DOES add to my headcanon that whatever kinky stuff Cora & Rumple got up to during Cora’s training/engagement to Henry Sr, they did nothing that would risk pregnancy. Cora’s confidence that no child of hers would be Rumple’s combined with the fact that she’s HAD a child…yeah.
Cora’s not stupid. Her weakness is her addiction to power.
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Keb
ParticipantI don’t think Apprentice Zelena has any clue that Rumple was with her mom. She might know now though.
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Keb
ParticipantThat’s a fascinatingly horrible storyline but it doesn’t really make sense. Regina’s older than Snow by 6-12 years depending on your estimates of their ages. Why would she have a baby with Leo 7 years AFTER marrying Prince Henry? And we already know that the baby in question is Zelena, who is most definitely NOT Snow White, and who IS older than Regina by her own telling. Also um marrying your elder daughter to your younger daughter’s baby daddy is NOT OK.
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Keb
ParticipantMy guess is Eva plants the jewels on Cora somehow and Cora loses out on Leo that way…something like that?
And…yeah…reeeeeeeeeeally squicked out by the Rumple/Zelena thing.
On the other hand, this is a show where they’re really pushing CS…and let’s see, Hook definitely was with Bae’s mother–Henry’s biological grandmother–for several years, so they don’t exactly have problems with people kissing multiple generations of the same family.
I’m hoping like crazy that Cora & Leo never get beyond flirting at the most cuz ewww wrt Regina’s marriage.
And hoping like crazy that the Rumple/Zelena thing in context isn’t quite as awful as it looks now.
And wondering if the ring Belle’s wearing is somehow sent to her by Rumple. Though he’s still wearing the opal ring in the pics.
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Keb
ParticipantEva was visiting at the ball but I don’t think she was there to nab Henry. She was very young then–looked about 15ish to me–and it would make sense for her marriage to Leo to happen closer to Snow’s birth (and snow is about 6-10 years younger than Regina, depending on your age estimates).
Still, it looks like their rivalry is about a lot more than the flour. I wonder if old Leo recognized her (if they did have any kind of relationship in the past).
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Keb
ParticipantIt should be before Miller’s Daughter, definitely. (My Timeline Senses are Tingling.)
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