[Keb]

I’m stubborn. Another trait I share with Belle (and um, half the characters at least…).

And I rewatched Lacey a couple of times and the relevant scenes from Skin Deep and just couldn’t persuade myself that the curtain scene MUST happen after Robin Hood. In fact, the reactions of Rumple and Belle to his catching her just made me more sure it had to happen before some of the intimacy that happens in Lacey. And while a dress can be changed pretty easily, the curtains just seem too significant.

Oh, and the commentary about those moments in the podcast made me think that they happened in this order too.

I did tweet Adam but no response yet 🙁

[Keb]

Updated version. Now with scene order (which I’m pretty sure is accurate save for possibly a couple things in 217). Added a number of events as I was going through, and fixed a few errors. And yes, I decided to put the curtain scene before Robin Hood breaks in. And yes, I’m a die-hard Rumbeller, so some of my commentary is…um…not so neutral, but for the most part I’ve tried to stick with what’s visible in the series.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9NzNOek42VEZweVU/edit?usp=sharing

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[Keb]

True, but there’s also other complications with the curse and the Dark One. He clearly still has the powers, given magic available in the area, but his appearance is human/Mr. Gold. And it -was- possible to kill him when he was outside of a magic area–a death that didn’t stop progressing when he came back to Storybrooke, either.

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[Keb]

I like them even when they are from the sneak peeks, because nobody ever captions the sneak peeks. So sometimes it clarifies what people are saying for me.

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[Keb]

Yay we actually get script teases!

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[Keb]

Well, if you pin down what aspects you want in your fanfic, you can use things like wikipedia to sort out a lot of stuff. (Also, if you have access as a student or whatever, the Oxford English dictionary is brilliant for particular terms and their usage over time.) But you’ll have to make some choices based on what you think works best–cuz there’s not just one answer unless it’s in the show itself. (And they’ve now called Belle’s home a village, town, and kingdom at various points. Her intended was Sir Gaston and her father based on the credits Sir Maurice. That’s what we’ve got to go on pretty much.)

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[Keb]

So it occurred to me that Regina does one very polite/political thing in remembering the names of her guards. She often treats people as if they are beneath her notice (unless they are of immediate value to her), but she knows the names of her guards.

Something I’ve noticed about politicians is that the good ones are very, very good with names, so it fits well with her character. And of course names are important in Once…even if everyone has two or more regardless of whether or not they were cursed.

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[Keb]

We do have to be careful with “the original” and historical evidence when it comes to fairytales. For one thing, most fairytales have been through many, many incarnations since they were first told–even when talking Grimm, which is the first written recording of many of the stories we love, there were different versions published by the brothers themselves. And that’s after the transformations that the oral versions went through.

As for historical evidence, you have to pin things down to a particular place and time. Knighthood has had various forms in different societies for several thousand years. Some kinds of knighthood were hereditary, some not. Currently, knighthood in England is a title that people get for contributions to society and culture, rather than a military entity as it once was, or a position just under the nobility as it was for a while in between (though it still carried military duties at that time). And I’m talking England because I know a tiny bit more about that (having performed as the wife of a knight in Elizabeth I’s court at a renn faire for some years), but Disney’s Belle lives in France at, based on the fashions, some fantasy period in the 18th century. (Which doesn’t make it at ALL the real France, but we’ll go with Lumiere’s statement that it’s France anyway.) So the rules that apply in England, even at the same time, might not apply in France (and I have no idea, honestly).

And that’s the last caveat: It’s a fantasy world with its own rules (or lack thereof). So while it certainly has a basis in history and the stories as written down, there’s no reason that they have to stick to those. You could easily have a knight ruling a kingdom if that’s what Adam and Eddy want to do. The term princess is fairly imprecise, too, through history–we now treat it as daughter of a king or wife of a prince, but it was used historically for a few different ranks of women. (There’s also the argument that all girls are princesses, which I’ve always adhered to, but that’s another issue.) Prince went through a few incarnations in English, as well. (Principality? Totally related term, incidentally.)

Which is not to say this stuff isn’t fascinating–just that because we’re talking about a girl who saved her family from ogres by agreeing to clean a castle that belongs to the Dark One, any answers we find may not apply in this case.

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[Keb]

Rumple’s love is the only thing that keeps him human at all. And the demon he took on with the Dark One curse is a pretty powerful one.

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[Keb]

The curse probably complicated things. Owen was only available because he was in the town borders when the curse was cast. As soon as he left, he couldn’t see it till the curse broke 28 years later, and quite possibly couldn’t enter.

It’s clear that neither Regina nor Gold (who at the time was only his cursed self anyway) knew why, but Henry may well have been the only child who COULD have been shipped into SB, because his parents were from FTL. Emma, August, and Neal all could have entered SB (Neal apparently never did) at any time, and leave and come back just fine because they were uncursed but from FTL. Other people maybe not.

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