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@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@Keie wrote:
To be honest with you and I fully admit I have not seen it for myself, but my understanding is that the ‘blonde patient’ is listed in Dr. Whales files and under the men, right?
My thought is this it’s another play or ‘clue’ on the Dr. Frankenstein theory.
I think it’s a joke about Rocky from The Rocky Horror Picture Show. For those that have never seen it, RHPS is a parody type movie/play that is reminiscent of Dr.Frankenstein. The man character (Dr, Frank N. Furter), creates a man with ‘blonde hair’ and a tan, named Rocky.
So yeah, I think it’s just the writers or whoever giving another playfull clue.
Oh Keie! I so love this theory! LOL! Too bad they didn’t go a step further and credit Kis Yurij as Riff Raff instead of “the assistant”. 😆
Glad you like it 🙂 It was the very first thing I thought when I saw ‘blonde patient’, haha.
And don’t even get me started on Riff Raff….My first great obsession, lol.
[adrotate group="5"]As far as the spinning goes….I think it’s misdirection. I think we’re supposed to think Belle thinks he’s doing something bad/wrong. I think what he’s actually doing is making the necklace he gives her. Just my hunch though.
To be honest with you and I fully admit I have not seen it for myself, but my understanding is that the ‘blonde patient’ is listed in Dr. Whales files and under the men, right?
My thought is this it’s another play or ‘clue’ on the Dr. Frankenstein theory.
I think it’s a joke about Rocky from The Rocky Horror Picture Show. For those that have never seen it, RHPS is a parody type movie/play that is reminiscent of Dr.Frankenstein. The man character (Dr, Frank N. Furter), creates a man with ‘blonde hair’ and a tan, named Rocky.
So yeah, I think it’s just the writers or whoever giving another playfull clue.
Another clue is the Cleaners and Haters sign. Now, I said this in another thread and somebody correct if I’m wrong but ‘cleaner’ is another word for hit man. Was the White Rabbit present at the QOH beheadings? If so that would make him a ‘cleaner’ by association. So, another clue.
@Naomi wrote:
There seem to be a lot of clues that the Mystery Man is the White Rabbit. And…I don’t think that idea is too farfetched, if the symbolism is taken less literally. Some time ago people were theorizing that Emma was supposed to be the “Alice” in the show, and that Storybrooke was her “Wonderland”. This is meant figuratively, of course, rather than the actual “Wonderland” we’ve already seen with Jefferson and Regina.
If that’s correct, then who would be Emma’s White Rabbit? Someone who can travel between worlds – as he did in the Lewis Caroll version – and causes her to fall down the rabbit hole. Henry’s father perhaps?
As a completely separate idea: If he is the White Rabbit, wouldn’t that make him loyal to the king and queen of hearts? I’ve heard on the podcast that people were thinking that the Queen of Hearts was actually Cora. It might be interesting if this “Mystery Man” was part of a group who helped Cora get to Storybrooke…
The more I think about it the more the White Rabbit thing makes sense to me. It’s possible that Bae ‘fell through a rabbit hole’ when he was sucked into the vortex taking him to Wonderland forcing him to work for the Queen of Hearts (and wouldn’t that just be something if Cora really is the QOH. Having Rumplestiltskin son working for her, haha). Maybe he even became friendly with Jefferson (after Jefferson got stuck there) again there would be a connection where they might share things with each other, Jefferson loosing Paige and Bae loosing father…When Regina cast the curse it pulled Jefferson into SB and somehow threw Bae into the real world where he met Emma.
I’m convinced there’s a connection between Jefferson and Bae either way. Because again, how would he KNOW where Belle could be found. Regina didn’t tell him. Rumple never said anything to anyone in town. There’s no records he could have looked up. Somehow, he knew from SOMEBODY that Belle was a major thing to Rumple and he would want revenge. That person had to have had someway of looking in on Rumple…..like through a ‘looking glass’. Someone that would want to know what he was up too but not necessarily want to be around Rumple. Bae.
Also, something that just popped into my head. The ‘Cleaner’s and Hatter’s’ sign in the Mystery Man’s apartment. A ‘cleaner’ is another word for a hit man. Now I’m not completely up on my Wonderland lore but wasn’t the White Rabbit one of the people that would announce when the Queen wanted somebody’s head removed or at least present at the beheading?
One thing that’s bothering me though. The dove. I keep going back to the commentary on the Skin Deep episode and remembering them discuss how they used a dove to relay the message from Belle (her father or Gaston, possibly) to Rumple that they needed help. The scene was cut though. I just, I can’t get past the form of communication. The dove. Or maybe, it’s like in HP and all fairy tale people use dove’s instead of owl’s. lol
Honestly, I think this question is part of the heart of what this show is about. Yes, it’s about parents and their children but the actual heart of the show to me seems to be does everyone deserve a happy ending? So I guess my answer is… yes, both can and probably will be redeemed….learning from their mistakes BUT they will have to EARN their happy endings. Not by using shortcuts or a magic potion but by actually realizing that it takes hard work.
I think the difference between Regina and Rumple when they ‘turned’ to the dark side is summed up best in one of the BF’s lines to Bae, “You’re that shinning light that keeps a part of him human”. Rumple had his love for his son to keep him from becoming ‘totally evil’. Regina, only had her anger and frustration guiding her (with a bit of a nudge from Rumple it seems like). As far back as having first met Belle, Rumple was calling himself a monster, recognizing that his actions were not good ones. Even now he at least has Belle to tell him that she loves him and is willing against odds to try and be with him.
Regina doesn’t have any of that. She has no one to tell her they love her, they want her to be a better person for her own sake. No one to encourage her to take responsibility for her own actions, except Henry ( and let’s face it he’s a kid who treats her like crap most of the time, lol) to encourage her to try and change her ways and to help her let go of her anger and hate. Not that anyone should be responsible for another persons actions or self-worth but it does help to have people in your corner encouraging you. Heck, EMMA is the closest thing she has to somebody being at the very least, civil, not wanting her dead…..Everyone in SB has a right to be angry with Regina (as well as Rumple) but that’s not very conducive to her having a reason to change.
I do think, we’re seeing a bit of it now with her calling Charming to get Henry, that Regina wants ‘possibly’ to start on the road to redemption and I think eventually she’ll get there. Just like I think Rumple will eventually embrace the ‘goodness’ that’s inside him. It’s just going to take a lot of hard work and missteps before they get there and the both of them get their, happily ever afters.
I do think the Mystery man is Bae BUT I also think that all the things in the apartment also allude to The White Rabbit. The clocks, the monocle’s, the Hatter poster…add to that the way he is dressed (a suit) similar to the White Rabbit’s attire…also the phone falling out the window as if falling down a hole (a rabbit hole)…
So lets see, Regina has been to Wonderland as has Jefferson before(I hate Wonderland) maybe just maybe and I’m just spitballing here, Bae met Jefferson in Wonderland at some point and maybe Jefferson even helped Bae escape Wonderland. (The Mad Hatter and The White Rabbit did know each other). It’s even possible Regina could have known Bae was in Wonderland and his connection to Rumple. It wouldn’t be unheard of for Jefferson to just randomly go around helping people Rumple cares about. Plus, there’s the fact that Jefferson KNEW of a connection between Belle and Rumple. How? How would he KNOW that Belle spent a short period of time with Rumple in the FTL? Unless, he was perhaps friendly with someone who had a REASON to keep tabs on Rumple….like his SON. Which leads me to believe that A. The Mystery Man in fact Bae and B. That he at some point lived in a world where having the trinkets he has is normal and that SOMEONE from SB knew him well enough to let him know the curse had been broken. So my long winded guess is he’s Bae/The White Rabbit.
I’m calling that:
August and the mystery man from episode 1 season 2 were friends and the Mystery Man is Bae. Bae told August about Rumple which is how he knew about the dagger. Somehow, August is the one who sent the postcard to Bae to tell him the curse in SB had been broken, before August disappeared.
Belle will be the one to find Bae or have the first interaction with him. For whatever reason she will be prevented from telling Rumple that she has found/knows where his son is.
Regina, will get a second chance at finding true love.
Cora, will kidnap Henry. This forces Emma, Regina, The Charmings and Rumple (assuming that Bae is Henry’s father…..to work together to get their child/grandson back.
@Phee wrote:
Maybe Grumpy is digging away on one side of a mine wall, and Belle’s cart comes racing at it from the other side, and she smashes through, lands on top of Grumpy, and in doing so, dislodges some rocks that reveal fairy dust. When she gets back to Rumple, she’ll tell him about what happened, and he’ll be all, “Fairy dust, hey…well I wouldn’t usually use that vile stuff, but I’m desperate.” So Belle’s kidnapping and rescue could inadvertently lead to Rumple gaining more magic, which isn’t what she wants to happen.
Ohh yes, I like this! I like this a lot! It makes total sense to me.
So it seems like Rumple is definitely the Crocodile. In the promo we saw he is being taunted pre dark one Rumple by Hook about never having been ‘in a duel’. It looks like they meet up again post dark one where we KNOW Rumple knows how to use a sword/knife, ie: killing the soldiers that wanted to take Bae, the sword fight with Charming…..So I think Hook looses his hand in the second meeting.
Also, I’m not totally convinced that Bae is Peter Pan anymore. Something that struck me, when Rumple was trying to get Regina to get rid of her mother he said something about sending her to a silly little land he had no use for. I think he meant for her to go to Wonderland. If that’s true, and its just my theory, he would have no reason to think to look for Bae there.Since I think the mystery man and Bae are one and the same and The Mystery Man strikes me as being The White Rabbit…. I’m leaning towards that theory.
