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You know, since the marketing department cannot be bothered, some fans have taken matters into their own hands!  I’m still shaking my head that the ONCE twitter staff was so fast to confirm the Henry, Neal and Belle posters were not official, but so slow to release any of them (or even respond at all to questions on where they are 2 weeks after saying they were “tinkering” with them still, 2 months after the others released).   They’ve not even put up an  Ariel or Regina as Ursula screenshots or anything for the next episode last I checked in the little box of pictures on the left of the screen.

 

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I know one thing for sure, there will be lots of “parallels” that people read in diametrically opposed ways between whatever is happening with Ariel in the past, and Hook/Emma/Neal in the present.

The logical part of me says “Ariel” as  a city is merely a coincidence, but the shipper spin side hopes it is not! I will say this, we all thought it was unusual they would name an episode after a character this way.   With our masters at multiple meanings writing the episode, it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they actually did sort of know of the city, and its reputation as well (a place of much conflict and contention, very appropriate for a reunion in the midst of “triangle drama” with two countries fighting over the same bit of land).

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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oops I meant 314 too, was thinking of Manhattan, and yes Phee to all that.

I think the writers compare and contrast with their structure, and it is interesting that this next title though it is a person’s name is actually a city also.  It is an Israeli city that is  in contention.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_%28city%29

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Slurpeez, that is a good point.

It is not likely a long term damper, but in NL it will be difficult with all these people around for Emma to have the privacy to say what she wants.  There is also still some scene where apparently Neal finds out about the kiss.

I wonder if Hook would tell him? Like some guilt thing, because he does not want Neal to find out from someone else? “I thought you were dead”, sort of the way MM says “we were cursed!” Emma telling him would be expected but I do not think she would feel guilty as she and Neal were not together, plus he was with Tamara.  Hook on the other hand, well he is the one who knows he kissed his lover’s son’s ex.  Still not clear Emma knows about that little detail between Hook, Rumple and Nealfire.  My other crack thought is he finds a picture of Hook/Emma kissing or Pan gives it to him.  Pan loves to  turn the screw. 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Yes what matters most for Hook is that he be seen as the man he really believes himself to be. And that’s not a bad thing! I do think he can be a hero if he chooses but I think his own self importance matter more than any attraction he feels for Emma. And then there’s his “son” to consider…

The writers create these wonderfully duplicitous characters.  They may lie to each other, but also to themselves, through omissions and half-truths.  They hold internal conflict and that fuels the hopes of wildly different outcomes.

I think it may not be until 3×16 that Neal and Emma have any sort of movement.  If Wendy is in the cage, it is going to throw a wrinkle into things.  I do not think with how young they cast her that they are seriously going to suggest romance between them.  It is possible something happened in the past with young Bae.  I hope it does not throw Neal off his goal of expressing his love to Emma, but Wendy being around divides his attention as I think he would want to take care of her as a big brother.  Of course there is the conundrum we all asked, how could Wendy Darling be a real person, in real London?Will Emma react about that onscreen?  She has hit a lot of weird.  I do think Wendy might tell her things about Neal like how he sacrificed himself for her and her brothers. 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Happy Endings:  Pan or at least those he wishes to leave can probably come and go freely.   All we know is Wendy came back flying in the morning, presumably with  Pixie Dust or Shadow Express.  There is no time in NL according to some spoilers.  It is like your personal stop watch clicks off when you are in NL, even though outside clocks keep going.  So if they went back and forth. it would explain it.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I’ve loved the idea of Hookriel for awhile, though when I first saw it posed it was before Season 2 started and I thought, wow that’s whack.  Then it snuck up on me, so it just sneaks away too, like a tide rushing back to the ocean of imagination.

I’m ok with it, because I know it’ll be enjoyable to see Ariel and Eric with how they’ve cast such wonderful actors to bring it to life, and there’s bound to be some fun twists OUAT style to all of it with Regina putting a tentacle in there and Snow popping up.

At the same time though I am beginning to get a bit of the Season 3 of Heroes feeling.  It’s like they push these characters to explore new facets of their personalities, but they push a little too far and suddenly what you liked about them in the first place begins to fade away.  It hasn’t gotten as bad as Heroes yet, and I realize the whole point is PP is messing with all their heads, but I’m sort of getting nervous.

Ariel will give a bit of a break, but at the same time, does her story fit in or does it feel dropped in the middle? What’s up with the mean mermaids, versus Ariel, and why couldn’t they have asked for her help before? I hope there aren’t just unexplained gaps where all we can say is  “well then, this happened.”   Why didn’t Snow say something in the Filet the B__ scene like “No wait, I know mermaids, and they’re not like that!”   I hope that scene will still make sense after we’ve seen Regina and Snow’s previous mermaid experience.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I think at times it is easy to lose sight of the things said this season.   The story of Emma and Neal is complex, but it is still beautiful, dramatic and unique.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Emma’s reaction to Neal saying I Love you is just a nod, but I don’t expect them to echo some pop culture couple from another story.  They have their own unique touchstones woven in the story, and that’s what makes them such a special couple.

They aren’t a “spin” on some well-known tale, and I keep hoping the writers don’t throw it away in the interest of pleasing the marketing team or loud, organized fans.  A lot of fans probably don’t care either way, haven’t thought it through so much, they’re just following the story.  It’s like to them, hm that’s odd, Emma just said she never stopped loving Neal, th guy that sent her to jail, now she’s kissing that dude who called her useless when he left her to die in a jail cell when working with the serial killer witch. The story is more complicated of course, but what does a casual fan understand?

They probably don’t understand all those little moments that we fans dissect and discuss.  Last season is a distant memory to them, perhaps even the episode before.

In terms of that, Hook’s backstory episode did actually have some things for the SF shipper.  In it, they showed that Hook’s always spun his moral compass on a dime, when struck with grief.  The source of his loss of happiness was loss of honor, not loss of romantic love.  I believe whatever affection and attraction he has for Emma is far less important to his true happiness than regaining that honor.  In some ways, he sort of latched onto her and she to him because neither of them are in an emotionally stable place now. She did initiate the kiss but only after his coy hints about it.  What exactly she thought, well the actress put it as “human” not “romantic”.  Emma definitely was not smiling or exhibiting that energy of bubbling happiness (that we see so easily in the flashbacks of Emma and Neal or in scenes of the other main couples.)  I just thought it was a sharp contrast to the very joyous  and public PDA of Snowing.  Especially with her comments not to let the others know.  It felt very Vertical Horizon “Dirty little secrets” to me, and I guess he is a pirate so call of booty is another way to put it.  I think on his end he would like much more, but so far I can’t help but wonder at his timing.  He was all about revenge and not Emma, up until he heard Bae died.  So it is only when he is stuck in NL, when he knows she’s valuable to Pan, when Milah’s grandson is held captive, that he really tries to bond with her.
Neal on the other hand, he fell for her without knowing any of that, and despite knowing it, is still trying to win her back, or he would, if he weren’t captured and caged like an animal.I don’t feel that’s supposed to make us feel unsympathetic to Neal really.  If anything, the story is showing us all three points of view, and what a big mess it all is.I don’t know if there’s a “neat” solution to it, but I still feel Hook has less invested in Emma, and she in Hook, than anything that is at stake for Emma and Neal, because for both of them, this love between them has shaped who they are for years, even though they weren’t together.  I hope the story shifts gears a bit to focus on how  Hook and Neal work to establish a friendship, and it to be on screen that Hook does care about Neal too.  That it isn’t “he does not owe him anything” pirate thinking 101 still for Hook, only about his own best interests so narrowly and shallowly defined, but really giving  all three time to think about what truly defines their happiness.  I still do think there are signs that Neal and Emma have a deep love, but every story changes with every chapter.  I just have not seen much so far to make me wish it to change so drastically that Emma and Neal don’t get a second chance together.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I think Hookriel shimmers with potential, and though I know it is most probable that the writers in this commercial for the masses form of entertainment known as network tv will be most likely to take the road already taken, I will quietly hope on for this little twist, but I will enjoy whatever they do with Ariel.  I’m just excited for Ariel to be on the show, and love that the actress playing her has the same two favorite princesses as me (Belle and Ariel).  Colin’s done a great job with Hook, so I’m sure the writers will have  a great story in mind for him regardless of what “ship” they do or do not put Hook in.
The Road Not Taken
By Robert Frost
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Coincidences happen as the writers need them to happen.  They are all characters in a story, so the real question: do they know of these other plans and are they acting as they are to fulfill or frustrate these plans?

At one point in time or another, in a fairy tale there will be people who try to separate the true love couples, as well as people who support and try to help them.  Other characters might express opinions to genuinely say what they think or to manipulate, whether that is positive or negative.   Yet it doesn’t negate the choices the characters in the couple make for themselves with regard to each other.  So PP, Rumple, or BF, whoever is trying to pull strings to get people to meet, spend time with each other, (whatever within story reason it happens), ultimately we still see it as a matter of choice for the characters to love or not as we know magic does not control that.

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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