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We’ll have to see–there are people who think Eric is with Regina because he is recurring and a new character and Ariel was signed for “at least” a few rather than “ongoing minor role”. They think Ariel fades off away or gets killed.
So everyone looks at things different ways, but plenty of people, like Slurpeez and Obisgirl are rooting for the Disneyfied version and I think they’d be more likely to do that then Regina-as-Ursula-vanessa gets the guy.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Neal is going to fight for her, but I think we will also see her fight for him. She’s no passive princess (not that Snow or Belle or the others are either!). We have already seen her fight for him, actually. In the scene with Tamara, he gets her back but she’s the one who rushes forward to kick Tamara and body slam her into the ground. The writers chose to have such a big dramatic moment precede the dialog at the portal. They were building up to it. Obviously, Emma was not going to let the father of her son die, or anyone because that is who she is. The body slam though suggested a degree of emotion in it that played into her words to Neal.
She doesn’t “need” him to take care of business. She doesn’t need him to take care of Henry. She doesn’t need him to have love in her life in general. She needs him because she wants to be with him, and I think it had to be in a romantic way. I don’t think it was just old emotions resurfacing. She learned so much about Neal that forced her to reevaluate who he was.
He was a man capable of giving up everything for the ones he loves. He stepped up to fatherhood immediately. He would die for a father he had moments before been too angry to even look in the eye. He wanted to include her in his life without demanding she resume the relationship they had before. These things showed a maturity and quiet strength in him that despite the sass they exchanged back and forth, she noticed.
Yet she also saw his need, and his pain more clearly. He didn’t just grow up without parents, as she did. Her parents sent her away for her best chance. We didn’t see him open up about everything, but Emma’s met Mr. Gold and heard bits about Rumplestilskin. I think she realizes that while none of his background makes her own pain any less, that in some ways, he suffered even more than she did. Her experiences with Henry prepared her to understand how he must feel about Rumple, because he isn’t just being a coward afraid of his father any more than that is true of Henry and Regina.
The writers gave Emma such a unique set of experiences that explain how she would have the perspective to understand and sympathize with Neal’s point of view. She met August who first made Neal aware of the curse so she knew what he was like. She heard her parents story. She herself had to give up Henry. She lied to Henry to give him hope and faced the backlash of his hurt. She knew how it feels to have someone you love be angry at you because you made a choice that hurt them, but you did it with initially good intentions.
Parallels are fun, but when they occur out of context to the emotional progress of the character they are more likely to be meaningless. Everything the writers do for Neal and Emma seems to me to be about building situations that keep them apart but enable them to understand each other better. That is the set-up for a great love story.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Rufio = RH son? Sorry Tam=RH daughter theory lol. The way the guy has a bow made me think maybe.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
The person mistated Eddy’s quote, to make it definite, and Adam corrected it isn’t. I couldn’t put my troll picture up again! They play with words so much. I need to make it a banner.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
@kirstiejk2191 yes.
— Adam Horowitz (@AdamHorowitzLA) September 22, 2013
Think we guessed that.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Oh so many thoughts. I love the idea of dreams Mickstemp, and Phee: I loved that idea that perhaps they weren’t “true” love before but become true love in the future, develop into it through the course of these obstacles.
In fact, Jane E. said something like that about Snowing on her interview with Barb. Barnett the audio one. She observed that Snowing worked very hard for their love, and in the show, we have the line that if true love were easy, then everyone would have it.
And I adore that picture Slurpeez thanks for posting it!
That brings me to RG’s posts:
YES! Your shippy goggle observation fits very well. It’s not that Rumple or Emma are strong and made weak by love but they pretend to be stronger than they are and need to be strong enough to admit they need someone else, because once you let someone in there is always that risk of loss.I also agree RG on how Neal and Emma speak to each other and what you said about them in the portal scene.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Pan14 Wrote:
The doll represents the father and man Baelfire deserved, which is why it breaks Rumples heart to see it.
That is so beautiful, that I predict I am going to be underwhelmed by what the doll ends up being….brb sobbing over Bae reimagining Rumple and happy endings. (edit: adding it to my tears that I can’t quote properly from other posts …casper-peeves forum ghost…you let me be!)
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Well if the rumor gets her on their radar, she could be great for some role but I also think Vanessa is going to be Regina.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Aww thanks RG–I was so worried I’d be too hard on Rumple and it would come across like I’m blaming him for everything bad Neal did, but I am not. Neal still had to make choices and explain those to Emma and eventually apologize., which he did. Now he just needs Papa.
I hope Neal’s anger fades and he gets a chance to see the changes Belle has brought out in Rumple. I want that reconciliation for them, but I know it may be a long road, just as it is for SF. I also wonder to what extent Rumple, given his quirks of personality, might be a factor in Neal and Emma’s relationship. I’ve seen the joke he ships it like Fed Ex, but in the context of Manhattan he wanted to manipulate Emma to get his son to come back to town. I think he does have a genuine respect for her though.
Phee: I agree with everything you said! Emma and Neal’s banter is filled with snark and love that!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I don’t know they will be given names and personalities but maybe, Anton had brothers.
I wonder if they will have some reaction to Charming because he killed a Siren before?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
