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He would have it in his pockets because he’d gotten used to keeping it on his body, having lived in the streets of london for 6 months. Plus, he’s 14 and carrying a doll and maybe he didn’t want to share that with the others.
You’re right though, Phee, that Rumpel wouldn’t have wanted to leave without Bae, and there’s t-word issues about how Bae left before the curse.
I think it makes the most sense then that Rumpel came to NL for the curse either before Bae showed up there, or that he didn’t realize Bae was there when he came. PP of course would not have told Rumpel he had his son and Rumpel would not have said why he wanted the curse.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I think it is possible he was there as a young boy, but it is a richer story if he was there trying to get Bae. It parallels his current situation trying to get Henry.
I also think the doll could have been Bae’s as it didn’t seem big and could have been tucked inside a shirt. If you knew you had to leave behind all you knew, wouldn’t you take something as a memento that was small and easy to cary? If that doll was the first toy that Bae had, especially one that Rumpel made for him, Rumpel would know what it looked like and meant.
As for the doll being too fragile/squished–here is what it says on Ehow about Straw Dolls:
Dolls made by hand can be treasured by you now and handed down through many generations. One of the easiest types of dolls to make is the straw doll. They take very little time and can be dressed like any other doll. Learn how you can make straw dolls that will put a smile on any child’s face.
If it can be handed down many generations, doesn’t sound that fragile. And yes he was in his dressing gown, but he might have had it in his pockets as his one reminder of home.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Cute, that movie is so awesome.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
ReHo? Oh No…I snorted with laughter.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
The year of Ariel….!
I don’t know when
I don’t know how
But I know something’s starting right now
Watch and you’ll see
Some day I’ll be
Part of yourworldshow“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
My problem with regalhood–how do I abbreviate! RH isRobinhood, Regalhood is RRH? RR?QueenHood? RegalRobin?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
204358 wrote:It’s been said in interviews and was alluded to in the S2 finale.
Rumble never said that he has he only said on the boat this is all he said: He never stated being there. Only Emma after her slip at the comic thing said that only Hook, and Regina have been to NL.
Mr. Gold: They’re merely pawns, manipulated by forces far greater than they can conceive. They have no idea who they’re truly working for.
Emma: And who’s that?
Mr. Gold: Someone we all should fear.Yes it is possible Gold never went there, just knew reputation. But if J. Mo said that only Hook and Regina that would be wrong as Bae did go. What she might have meant is her character only knows Hook and Regina have been there since her character thinks Bae is dead and might not know of his past in NL. It could mean she was speaking as an actress knowing behind the scenes things her character does not know so she is telling us the whole list of people on the boat with previous NL visits as you interpret, but I don’t know that she was being so accurate. I think she got used to talking about Hook and Regina because she gets asked about them more than Rumpel and R starts both Regina and Rumpel. So I could see it being that all 3 villains had previous NL experience.
Maybe Rumpel sent Regina there as his apprentice?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
HappyEndings wrote:Also remember Emma stating that only Hook and Regina have been to NL
That was JMo, not Emma. And we KNOW Rumple has been to NL before. A and E and RC have said so. I’m still torn about the doll. I think both theories abut the doll being Bae and it being Rumple’s are very strong and I’d be happy with either. The doll just seems to invoke such powerful emotions in Rumple (a doll we’ve never seen before) that I lean more toward Rumple’s side. If this was Bae’s doll we’d have seen it before. Chekov’s gun theory, remember. The fact that we can’t place the doll means that we haven’t seen it before and thus we are not aware of WHY it causes Rumple such distress. That’s why I’m more on the Rumple theory bandwagon. And yes, I’ll try but I think you guys give me too much credit with Adam. Honestly, he maybe answers 10% of the things I ask.
I don’t remember what interview, but Rumple implies knowledge of PP in the finale, but Regina says nothing. So other than the comment of J.Mo on a day when possibly flustered and used to talking about Hook and Regina (because of all the CS and SQ questions) not sure how accurate it was.
I think the chekov’s gun rule applies to it being Rumple as much as Bae–they did not show the token for either so it is a new object in either story. Sort of like the fail safe or bae’s shawl was not shown in season 1. This might be the first time we see it, then we get the backstory.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I think the scar is from PP, not Hook. If Hook had smashed Felix before, I think there would have been more open animosity or reference to it. Also, Felix HAS his shadow–we see it in that scene when all the lost boys walk by the door, the shadows are clearly visible.
I think they need to establish rather quickly that though PP is 17 and maybe not physically threatening, he has magic and ruthlessness that other bullies cannot match and that is why he is top dog. They can have Felix say Peter gave him the scar without showing it (so not as graphic for their time slot).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
After watching Freya Tingley in beneath the waves–I think a mute Ariel could be powerful.
I almost typed something similar to Jo about Princess Bride, but I lost my post hitting a back button or something! I think Hook is a mix of Wesley and Ignio, I think to ignore his comic and frustrated attempts to kill a man more powerful, his willingness to work for someone more evil (Vinzeni/Cora) is to ignore a lot of what drives Hook. He is not Wesley trying to get back to Buttercup-Emma. He did not “earn” Milah with patience and steadfast true love (far as we know, he swept her off her feet), yet there is something there more romantic than just Iginio.
I think they can show a young boy dressed in white, blue cloak that is not fancy peasant garb, on a ship. The captain is chatting with the boy about how the war in his kingdom is finally ended and he can return home now, to meet his real parents, but then they’re interrupted with the warning that they are being boarded by pirates. The Captain (Davy Jones) says a pity that everyone abandoned ship, as he wanted a fight. Then he sees this boy left behind trying to fight the pirates off. He admires the bravery of the boy, says something about fighting for what you want, and says he won’t kill the boy if he will serve him. The boy says never, and the Captain laughs and says he’ll change his mind. Then we cut to Colin made up to look younger, fighting alongside the Captain as he’s dying, and its clear they have forged a bond by now, and he tells Killian Jones to take over the JR. So that tracks with the boy feeling his father abandoned him, his story to Bae not being entirely truthful and why he didn’t remember his royal background.
Something that suggests without stating openly that he is Eric.
Then later they can flashback to Ariel just naming the guy Eric in a reverse of the scene in Little Mermaid where he guesses her name, once they have cleared up any CSF teasings. The mystery generally isn’t who these people love, it is how they overcome obstacles to be with that person. So I don’t think they have to hide the Eric-Hook very long if they go with it.
As for when Ariel meets Eric, I think it is post-Milah, and it involves how he got out of Nl. I think she met him there, and fell for him, and she struck a deal with Ursula/Regina. Hook leaves NL instead of choosing to be with her, in the traditional backfire, Ariel lets him go, pining away.. Hook knew about Belle in the tower, that Regina had her, but we don’t know how. Regina knew about Hook and his vengeance, but we do not know how.
This way Regina can be Ursula/Vanessa, without it being a romantic thing with Hook (just the usual flirty/dangerous vibe they have), she cuts a deal with Ariel that ends badly for Ariel, and Ariel is only pining for 28 or so years, not hundreds. What’s 28 years if you have true love as Charming said….but of course Hook never knew Ariel sacrificed something to let him escape. He never knew she loved him and saved him. And when she sees him again, she will misread his interactions with Emma and there’s angst, without there being an actual love rhombus.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
