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@PriceofMagic wrote:

Grumpy knows Nova is in Storybrooke since Leroy met her as Astrid. They don’t necessarily neeed to make a big deal of Nova and Grumpy getting back together. Perhaps Grumpy could turn up to one of the parties he attends with the Charmings with Nova as his date and a quick explanation.

Another storyline that might be a casualty of actors and scheduling conflicts. Amy Acker who played Nova probably has another project. I get the feeling the casting team sometimes (like with Rose McGowen or Jorge Garcia) gets on people who just want to work with the show runners or have a history with them as initially a one-time stunt casting thing. If they can then make it into a larger role within the storyline and it works for the actor’s schedule, they go ahead and expand it. If they can’t, then it ends up sort of being a dropped storyline. I hope we can at least get a line of dialogue, but I’m not expecting a scene any time soon 🙁 .

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In the video clip I didn’t quite catch what Henry said. Now that I think about it, though, Neal didn’t really know what it was like since most of the stories happen after he leaves the enchanted forest, and hundreds of years pass. Neal says sounds great, but it seems like he’s not actually all that excited to revisit fairy tale land when you watch the clip.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@LisaS wrote:

I’m going throw another outlandish theory out here in regards to the book, Henry getting to Storybrooke and August

I think it is entirely possible that Blue wrote it but I was thinking August could have also helped Blue to write it after learning that Emma gave birth to the grandson of Rumpelstiltskin once he realized just how much Neal & Emma loved each other.

I think August more then likely went to Blue and told her what he had done to them both in order to set Emma on the path to get to Storybrooke and break the curse. Blue probably realized then that they needed to add Baelfire’s story into the book and make sure that they got Emma & Bae’s son Henry to Storybrooke in order to help her break the curse.

Blue probably told August that his actions in destroying a family would have consequences unless it was repaired before the curse was broken which would explain why he is still wooden now that the curse is broken.

Is this too outlandish ?

Almost nothing is too outlandish on this show, but I don’t think this looks likely. It is an interesting what if scenario though, to think about what Blue might have told August to do mid-curse, but she didn’t have her memories. The writers have apparently tweeted to confirm that, but also we haven’t been shown that she remembered anything.

He remained wood because his state had nothing to do with the curse, but the conditions of the blessing that turned him into a boy in the first place. When Pinnochio became a real boy, the Blue Fairy told him something like “Remember Pinnochio, be brave, truthful and unselfish, so long as you do that you will remain a real boy.” I think that is why he slowly started turning back to wood, rather than all at once. Every wrong action resulted in the magic adjusting his appearance, just like in the original Disney movie version his nose grew little by little. So over time, his past caught up with him and he was almost all wood after visiting Storybrooke. He lied a lot once he came to town, and did some selfish things like trying to take Rumples’ dagger. So that hurried along his transformation to the point where he was completely back to wood. Once Rumpel brought magic back, however, Pinnochio was then animated enchanted wood, so he could move again.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@SirMedraut wrote:

Though Morgan le Fay has appeared in many different forms, her most traditionally known identity is as an enemy of Guinevere, of Arthur, and of the Round Table, for varying reasons. It’s true that OUAT could go the Marion Zimmer-Bradley route with Morgan, but I sincerely hope they do not, as villainess Morgan le Fay is one of my favorite characters in all of folklore.

I found your summary interesting, thank you. 😀

The writers will definitely want to take the most well known incarnations of characters, then twist that version in some way. So for Morgan Le Fay, they would start with the idea that most of the audience expects her to be evil and then go from there.

I do like the idea of connecting Morgan Le Fay to Lancelot and picking back those plot threads, whether or not that is through Tamara.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@TimeSpacer wrote:

Since he was born in our world, maybe when he became king, Henry would abdicate, call for elections and get elected to office!

That is one thing I wish the show would work into a storyline. How do the characters feel about democracy versus monarchy? Given how much Regina controlled things, it is not like they experienced political empowerment. After the curse broke, it seems like it’s a mix of mob rule and default attitude about listening to the Charmings.

If the writers could bring some of this up through Henry so much the better for his character. He could be the one who points out the “good guys” aren’t playing by the rules, partly in part, because they aren’t setting up any rules. I understand why they are showing him as continuing to resent Emma’s lie to him though. It really has only been a few days and a very traumatic time.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

There is something about Blue Fairy that makes people doubt her. Nobody questions the motives of other good characters so why Blue Fairy?

Also Blue Fairy interfered between Nova and Dreamy. They were going to run off and sail away together, why didn’t Blue Fairy leave them be?

I like the fan theory that Blue Fairy created the very first Dark One when she fell in love with a human. I forgot who posted that but it would explain her stance that fairies shouldn’t fall in love (because not only can the fairy not then help the pure hearted, but actual bad stuff could happen) but I don’t remember the details of the theory.

Blue Fairy gets so much attention in fan theories because she seems like she ought to be more powerful, connected and important than she has shown to be in terms of impact on the various events. Perhaps in the end she is more like a government official, lots of supposed power, but blocked by so many rules and regulations about how to use that power, that she ends up doing very little!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Elle wrote:

Wait, the writers said that? It only proved that Graham WAS abused! He slept with her because it was what SHE wanted. He never would have if he had his free will. I don’t care what anyone says, the poor guy was raped.

Sorry for the late reply…

Yes, the writers said that this episode would show that the relationship was he rape. And Lana Parrilla said herself that it was cute and flirty in this episode. I’m sorry I cannot find the interview–if I can, I’ll most it.

I think part of the problem is that the episdoe did not make clear to what extent, if any, the people in the town had free will, despite all the fogged memories and repeating scenarios. If it was the case they could choose to do or not do some things, like Mary Margaret not fighting with Regina when she ran into her, or Gold being snarky rather than helpful, then I guess you could downgrade the relationship to harrasment but still icky.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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PriceofMagic: I think that’s a good theory about the use of names!

And I too was thrown by Snow’s quick clothing change. At first I was thinking, wow, she overheard Emma, and it had an instant effect, but then I noticed she’s already dressed! Unless she was so depressed she went to bed with clothes on, and then just threw a coat on after hearing Emma.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@RaulYbarra wrote:

Finally, Owen/Greg. Has he spent all this time looking for Storybrooke? I’m wondering about the little dongle he wove. Was that more than just a Star Wars reference and a bit of foreshadowing of that battle that is coming? Also, where is Kurt?

I’m a fairly casual SW fan, but I don’t get the reference to that series from that woven thing. It seemed more like a “friendship” bracelet, a popular kid thing to do in the 80’s at least, but of course they are using it like a keychain.

As for the rest of the theory, I think connecting her to the Wraith is stretching it but with a few twists and turns to come, you could be on to something. It would be nice to think all that stuff with the Wraith, and meeting Mulan, Phillip and Aurora, really comes back in at the end of the season. That said, based on what we know now, it seems doubtful since the Wraith was summoned when magic had returned to SB, and then sent through the hat to the enchanted forest. The plot would have to get fairly convoluted to go from that to the Wraith appearing in “the real world” as a human woman engaged to Neal. Let alone the same woman also being connected to Greg enough for him to address her as “honey”. But…it’s the kind of show where strange things can happen so we never know.

Speaking of strange things, there could be some kind of connection between wraiths, Mulan, and the Dragon character who meets August. Despite my dislike of combining the very different cultures of various countries in Asia into one generalized thing, they might do that in the Enchanted Forest land. The Dragon appears in Thailand (Phuket) I think, so I was assuming he would be Thai. But he may not even be from our world. Even if he is, there are people of Chinese descent (the origins of the Mulan story) in Thailand of course, just as there are in other countries. So I'll just give the show the benefit of the doubt if they connect “the Dragon” to Mulan. As some others have pointed out, Mulan had a spirit guardian in the form of a dragon in the Disney version. So maybe, just maybe, there is something to your theory of a connection but we're missing a lot of pieces to know yet.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@BeastWhisperer wrote:

Letting a towel dry doesn’t stop it from needing to be changed with a little use, because they pick up dead skin cells, bacteria, etc. It’s a hygiene issue. Only way they really don’t need changing is if Greg doesn’t use them. Hence my conclusion that what he is air drying is himself.

A lot of hotels these days are doing water conservation, and put a card to say hang the towels to reuse or throw on floor to replace….but if one wants the mental image of Greg “drying” I guess go with the other interpretation! 😆

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Yeah, the cabbie thing maybe. But how would he know how to direct the cabbie to SB? *also, will a cabbie take you from NYC to Maine?? I mean..holy cab fare, Batman!*

Hey, if the payment is avoiding a hook in the eye, the cabbie might take you wherever you want 😆
Though, I do think Rapunzel_is_a_Ginger has a better theory.
@Rapunzel_is_a_Ginger wrote:

… I don’t think it’s farfetched for him to just steal another boat in the harbor and sail his way back rather than bullying a cab driver or something. He’s a pirate, so commandeering boats is probably all in a day’s work and sailing back in a small yacht or something would probably only delay him a couple of days.

Good point. He doesn’t need a tall ship like the Jolly Roger, just something with a sail because sailboat design isn’t like that jump from horse and carriage to car.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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