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😆 I had to laugh, you do such a good job of matching the expressions that even someone who barely watches the show could get the jokes.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

I’m all for suspension of disbelief, but asking me to believe that Hook somehow got back to SB without his boat, while dressed as a Pirate, with a hook for a hand, when even Rumple didn’t know how to travel in the outside world….that’s a bit of a stretch.

Maybe we aren’t giving Rumple or Hook enough credit! Rumple originally was going to go out into the world without Emma, remember. Perhaps seeing Hook get run over by a car made him think “Hm, time to cash in the favor….it’s scarier out there than I thought.” Yet he thought he could go alone at some point, and he probably had quite a bit of access to information about what the outside world was like.

So I think we can infer the same for Hook. He’s a resourceful pirate who has traveled to strange lands all his life. Hook spent a lot of time in the library (besides being smashed on the floor !) so maybe he picked up some maps and tourist guides 😆 Plus, this is NY city. I think people are overestimating how much a man in black leather would stand out there with so many tourists, counter-culture types, fashionistas, performance artists and all that. His hook might get a few odd looks, but I don’t know, I can see him figuring out the subway or at least how to intimidate some poor cabbie to take him where he wants 😆
A bit more seriously, I think the writers did have to change the plan quick. I wish they had shown us “Hook in NY” because again, comic opportunities missed!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Jolly Roger wrote:

Yup, he is exactly like his father. If he was a decent man, he would defend Emma whenever Henry would mention her lying to him, because he knows fully well why she lied to him. He doesn’t even care that her son is mad at her. I really can’t stand that man, he’s a coward just like his father, and I doubt that would change.

I don’t share that view, but we all see the show through different filters. Since the writers seem to be skipping some emotional scene stuff, those filters are really playing into varied interpretations of the characters right now, especially when viewing clips out of context. Just as some are predisposed to question Tamara, there are extreme reactions to Neal.
I think the writers are trying to portray Neal as unsure of how to handle a pretty delicate and crazy situation in parenting when he is very new to it. It has only been three days, as we were reminded in the last episode. How many scenes have we seen where Henry mentions Emma lying where Neal heard? I thought it was just really the pizza comment. Does he really know the full context of how Emma lied to Henry (all that stuff about how at the time she thought Henry had delusions about his adopted mother being evil)? I don’t recall a scene showing us that, but of course, the writers also haven’t shown Neal telling Henry that he set Emma up to go to jail. We have to infer a lot about who knows what right now.
I hope this episode gets to some of the gaps, but maybe it won’t.

@drtslim wrote:

I also think that Neal’s own unresolved feelings for Emma played a role as well.

I did not think Neal was trying to make Emma jealous or deliberately being rude in the clip, that’s all I meant. I also suspect he may have unresolved feelings for Emma, so maybe that is why he put off mentioning to Emma about Tamara visiting until she was already on the way.
@Phee wrote:

Well he knows that Snow isn’t friends with Regina because he saw the whole heart situation. But we don’t know that he knows that Snow is a significant person in town, and her family would make good allies. If he were smart, he’d approach Snow and try to suss her out, then suggest they team up.

In her current state, she might slap him and say “get out of my town fool” 😆 I kid, but Snow probably did not come off to him as exactly powerful or stable with her weeping “kill me.”

@Phee wrote:

Indeed. If Nealfire knew that Tamara had to get her stuff from that room, then he’d have to have said something, and evidently he didn’t say, “Don’t worry about getting your stuff in the storeroom,” because she went in there.

Until the show answers that, I’m going with what Rumplesgirl suggested in the Tamara thread. He wrote her a note! @RumplesGirl wrote:

“Honey, I know this is going to sound strange but there’s a pirate locked in a closet, my father was stabbed by his hook and is dying and my ex-girlfriend, my son, and I need to get him to Maine via a pirate ship in order cure him with magic. Please water my plants.”

Too bad we did not get to see how he told her! We seem to be missing a lot of moments like Regina’s reaction to Gold’s son being Henry’s father, Neal’s reaction to Regina, the evil queen adopting Henry. Neal may be from FTL but it is not like he was around in Snow’s time (far as we know) so his reaction could have been comic, same as how he told Tamara.
@Phee wrote:

Even if the town is visible from the road now, (which I think is unlikely, given there hasn’t been a sudden influx of outsiders driving through town), Nealfire didn’t get there by road, and there’s no one he could have asked for directions so that he could pass the information on to Tamara. Hopefully they’ll explain how she manages to find the place.

If they don’t I hope after it airs that someone asks the writers on twitter or something!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@slurpeez108 wrote:

And what is with Neal being so bipolar? Before he was calling Tamara his “friend” to spare Emma’s feelings, and now he’s suddenly declaring how much he needs Tamara, probably knowing full well how much that would hurt Emma. Has he suddenly forgotten his decorum or his tact? .

I did not see it that way. In NY he had not told her he had moved on yet, so he was hesitant about how to break that news to Emma. In this scene, Emma already knows he is engaged. Plus Emma told him that she did not care if he was engaged, since it was a decade ago that he and she were together. He is not being over the top declaring his need for Tamara for no reason, but in response to Emma being upset about another outsider non-magical person in SB. To Neal, Tamara is about to become his family, so she is not some random person. When we see the rest of the scene we will see her reaction, but I think Emma will continue to have her wall up and play it tough. If Neal thinks Emma is over him, there is no need to dance around his relationship with Tamara when talking to her.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@steliokontos1 wrote:

You know they did something really cool with Welcome to Storybrooke last week. From the start of this show I’ve always looked at Storybrooke what a nice place it’s like this sweet small town. Last week it completely changed into this almost b-movie horror town.

I agree! I wasn’t expecting that much other than a filler episode with some cute moments about the start of the curse, but it was really good.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@BeastWhisperer wrote:

Just imagine if it had turned out to be Granny in the room instead of Regina. With fodder like that her response would have been epic.

LOL 😆 .

Well if Regina was telling the truth, then if Owen/Kurt are the homage to Tron,maybe Kurt just got trapped in a video game before he could leave town. 😉 But I think she was lying. It is what she does.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@Sarah_TN wrote:

I think your theory has legs. Growing up, I (and my sister) was caught between two feuding families. My parents divorced, remarried, didn’t get along, and were so focused on their own hurts, wants, desires, and selfishness, that their hearts had no room to see how the decisions they made (for themselves) would impact us…not for years later. That left me feeling like a tug-of-rope, and based on what I’m reading about your theory, I can absolutely see how Henry might feel that way.

If Henry runs off to Neverland…would that be a good decision, or a bad one? Well, I think it would be a good decision if it’s purpose is to be a wake-up call for those around him for hope of a better outcome upon a foreseen return. If it’s just to get out of dodge, I think it’d be a bad one because in the end, Henry would be the one who loses the most. His families fight, but the one thing they all have in common is that they all love him. Very sadly, there are kids (and people) in this world who don’t have that.

I do think he’ll run off to Neverland, but I don’t think the only lessons to be learned in the interim will be everyone else’s. The decisions others make do not remove consequences for the decisions we make for ourselves, and so I think Henry’s in store for a lesson about the happiness that can come with the grace of overlooking others’ faults in recognition of our own imperfections, while we appreciate the people who we have around us. That’s what bothered me so much in Manhattan, how unforgiving he was toward Emma when she’d lied to him. Every person reading this can count on two hands the wrong things we did right in our lives, and the things we’ve done wrong. Henry is a good kid, but not faultless. Nobody is. I think he was being cold and unfair to Emma, but then again, he’s just a little boy who is still learning about the full picture of what love is, and what that means for him.

Thanks for sharing that–I think it would be very touching if the writers did take Henry on such an emotional journey. Yet he is such a useful plot device to drive conflict between Regina and Snow’s family, that I think he will always end up acting in ways that make us frustrated with him. In a way, Henry may get stuck in an emotional Neverland until the end of the show.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Regina is twisted. Poor Greg/Owen is in over his head, and he does not know it. I doubt the writers would do it, but I really would love it if he were smart enough to drug Regina and take her over the town line. She is too central a character, and has to regain her villain cred, so I think Greg is not long for the world.
His biggest advantage was that no one recognized him. He’s lost that now, and unless he has observed enough to know who in the town would help him (rather than being scared that he is an outsider or on Regina’s side) he is going to have a pretty tough time accomplishing anything.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I don’t see this happening unless a lot changes. First, Emma could just take Henry out into the real world herself, or as she already suggested, have him go to NY with Neal. Second, Emma thinks of Gold as family, and does not trust Hook right now. Even if she is desperate to escape SB, I don’t think she would approach Hook as the way out.

So what could change to make that happen?
For starters, Hook could approach Emma. Especially if that happened after the real world was invading, so that escaping to NY was not an option. So if Hook came to her and said said “I’m giving up on vengeance, and going back to Neverland,” and she used her superpower to know he wasn’t lying, then maybe she might consider that an option. Or, if Emma found out that Rumpel had some nefarious plan (or thought she found out, but it was a misunderstanding) for Henry, what with the Seer’s prediction hanging over them. That could drive her to turn to Hook. Especially if Neal seemed to side with his father over the perceived threat.

But right now, Gold seems to be (grudgingly) standing by the Charmings, Henry and Emma. Plus I don’t see Emma leaving Snow when Snow is so distraught, again, unless something changes so that she has to choose between her mother and son’s welfare. Of course, Snow and Charming could go to, it’s not a tiny boat 😆

Since we don’t know what Greg (or Tamara) are up to, or how Gold might react to the Seer yet, I suppose it is possible that things could change. The writers do like to twist things around and have little surprises.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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It would make sense to be Regina on her wedding day as Queen, but it really didn’t look like her so much that I did not think of her. Not sure why they did not have a more recognizable Regina shot in there!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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