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ParticipantRemember when this stuff was important :/
Sigh…well, all that is the remnants of a different story, one that wasn’t as much about Disney promotion and writing very messed up, twisted Soap-tastic “you didn’t see that coming!” plot developments that stomp on characters left and right to manipulate things to promote the “misunderstood” villains happy endings.
What’s with Robin hearing all about Marian’s devotion and faith in him and then applying it to Regina? Well that’s the twist! It totally is in keeping with their style of everything we saw building up for Emma and Neal only to have Emma wind up dating Hook–but at least it was faster and less painful.
They didn’t bait us by thinking of Marian as her own character, suggesting she’ll get a second chance for her happy ending. It’s pretty clear the writers think we should root for Regina. The scene with Will tempts the audience to fear Robin will break Regina’s heart for good but nope, he runs to her and renews their romantic relationship despite having recommitted to his wife (until she got frozen). I get that people want to ship it, revel in the hotness of Sean and Lana interacting, but it just makes me annoyed at the writers for making Regina’s happiness depend on Marian’s unhappiness. Regina told Robin to stay away because she’s on a redemption path and she doesn’t need that temptation to be selfish which would be hard for anyone but especially someone who’s lived the life she has. She puts on the brave face for Henry, telling him she’ll look for her next happy ending when it comes, but then in comes Robin telling Regina that essentially, she makes him want to be bad and forget his code–and more or less he disrupts her progress in having empathy for others! It’s so odd that they’re kissing in a crypt of all places, surrounded by her evil spying mirror and the trappings of her old ways. I suppose if you are a dyed-in-the-wool Evil Regal who just wants Regina to be happy regardless of who is unhappy that’s fine–but it feels cheap and unearned if the writers go about it all this way totally ignoring that there’s anything amiss here in all this.
Of course, it only seems like Regina’s newfound happiness with Robin will make Marian unhappy–but I bet Marian wakes up and is so amazed and awed by Robin’s ability to love and see the good in someone that she blesses Robin and Regina to be together and is overjoyed by it. Heck, their giving into their feelings might even be what thaws Marian, that much pure Pixie Dust Loving you know has got to have effects. It’s just a very disingenuous and twisted way of setting things up.
Why even have Marian there, rather than having obstacles for OQ that are about Robin confronting Regina’s very real past as the kind of tyrant Robin Hood traditionally fights, particularly with the whole Frozen theme of “can magic and non magic people get along”–why not have Robin dealing with the same sort of things? It would serve that thread of Emma and Regina having a friendship, the hints of dark magic corrupting you, but we can’t have that. Better to compartmentalize so things lift out better for Tumblr gifsets for shippers.
This is total crack fiction, not even speculation, but what I want at this point is for Marian to wake up, tell Robin he’s a tool and wander off to the forest where she reveals SHE is the original Robin Hood, and he was just a figurehead she used because its a misogynistic society and no one would have followed her. So then Marian reveals how she used to dress up as a man in a hood and rob the rich for the benefit of the poor, until she met Robin and started up the Merry Men with him as the mythic man-in-the-hood ‘leader’. Then we get a long eye-lock moment with Marian and Mulan and lots of subtext for the M&M ship and happy endings. Meanwhile, because we can’t leave it there, we find out Robin is actually Prince John (the lion tattoo) but no one knew it, because he was given away at birth –probably something Rumple did. Oh, and his father is Jonathan the gardener who impregnated Cora with Zelena, because I can see these writers just like to be that twisted. So now Robin’s lack of concern about Regina’s Evil Past ways makes sense. Then they just need to get on the Baevil plot and put Neal with someone, how about Zelena –resurrect them both. Seems about the speed of these writers.
Emma loved Neal, but it didn’t matter in this story just like Marian loved Robin, but it doesn’t matter now. All that matters is villains get their happy ending–and as I’ve said, its not that villains shouldn’t get one ever, or that the actors and actresses chosen aren’t passionate and entertaining to watch, nor that Emma and Robin shouldn’t be free to move on to new love after getting over a past one. All that could work fine, but there’s just this twisted little kink in the way they set up these stories so that in the process we meet and see a heroic character get thrown under the bus. I just don’t like that we’re supposed to be all “Yay Marian gets her heart broken” and “Yay Neal died!”–if we are supposed to feel like that, because its just hard to tell what the point of view of the writers is here anymore. Certainly there are fans who feel that way–but I feel like those of us who are rooting for good to win are just fewer and farther between because that’s not what this story is at all about anymore given how little time it takes to tell the point of view of characters who are not misunderstood villains.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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ParticipantSource Happy Birthday Watcher… Creepy Clown Cake for you !
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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ParticipantI watched this episode already, and I was surprised because I enjoyed it.
I think I’m over feeling frustrated by the many ways in which this is NOT a good story, and able to enjoy that TV is a vastly different medium with a different purpose than written novels. I’ll still laugh when someone says A&E are “Master Storytellers” when what they are is “entertainers” and they’re not masters, not by far. Such things though are marketing gloss and it is to be expected. Hype drives Hollywood and silly me for thinking something MORE was happening with this show. If there is, the writers will have to PROVE it by writing a story that is very believable and cohesive, not just “Whut, you didn’t see that coming! TWIST! WOW!” Isn’t this a hot mess and so fun!? Doesn’t make sense ? Who cares, there’s magic nothing makes sense!” It will take lots of groundwork, and not just groundwork that will be seen and noticed by those who pay attention to musical cues and props. It has to be in the dialog and the character progression and make sense for what has gone before. Of course, that’s not A&E ‘s style is it?
So I don’t know, maybe this IS a thing. Maybe its not. If you have writers that think “set up” is provided solely through ambiguous scenes that can be seen multiple ways, Easter egg props that are blink-and you-miss it and again, ambiguous in meaning, then followed up with “hah but its not what you think!”–then why not? The writers made the choice to make Emma’s bug the place she met Neal, to make it a car he ends up giving to her. They chose to have the swan pendant get camera focus, and story focus with dialog about it. Yet all those things are at present just “reminders of her past”. They have not yet in any way shown that Emma herself has a desire actively to recapture or rekindle the good parts of that past–she just totally wants to throw herself into the present and forget the past right now. Except the past does keep coming back up, doesn’t it? I’ve said it before, the future becomes the present, then the past–its all connected. You cannot just cut it off where its convenient and pretend something didn’t happen–but if you write characters as acting that way, it makes them totally weird for not reacting to the events you just portrayed as happening. It makes the audience feel “what’s the point, they won’t remember this in the next scene and if they do, it won’t even matter because their “reaction” won’t have any bite to it, as it won’t change anything”.
This whole “non magic people will write you off as a monster” thing only underscores how good of a partner for Emma that Neal could have been. He’s dealt with a magically addicted parent and showed that he could both hold a moral line AND retain compassion and love for his father. He never wrote him off as a “demon” but he also didn’t turn a blind eye to the bad things and just enable Rumple and while I would have loved more confrontation about Rumple murdering Neal’s mother, bad mother though she was–it just goes back to TV, short-cuts in storytelling to keep pacing and action moving. Bottom line, Neal had more reason than most to hate and fear people who have magic after what he’d endured, and he still took a bullet to shut down Tamara from her plan to destroy the whole town of ‘Unholy” magic. He didn’t share that view point–and Emma saw that about Neal. It should come up in her thoughts about magic–her family is not just her parents and brother, as it includes her son. If Neal could forgive and love his magical father, then Henry might do that for her too. It would be clunky to write dialog about all that, but having Emma clutch her swan pendant, while sitting in the bug? That could do it. That is if the writers haven’t forgotten Emma and Henry have true love, but its not a ratings grab sort of moment so maybe they have.
In many ways, Ingrid is the anti-Tamara and Greg– and my speculation based on some random stuff is that she plans to release every magical person from the hat and/or reverse the Land without Magic into a Land with ONLY magical people. I think she’s misleading Rumple as to her goals being more limited to just restoring her sisterly trio and living in a SB snowglobe. The nothing much is my speculation based on the Harry Potter reference, where of course a huge theme in that story is how the big bad of the whole series just hates non-magical people and actively wants to kill them. The other thing is, she had the hat longer than Rumple as she says and its just so convenient it popped into an abandoned house for the taking by him. Rumple seems to have forgotten what he used to tell Bae–everything happens for a reason, fate, destiny, whatever you want to call it –personally I prefer calling it “Plot to create connections between characters plus many unintentional coincidences that are the result of lazy writers who like to recycle plots and the limits of TV where you have main actors who need to be part of every story”.
Be that as it may, I think its nice that Emma’s love for Neal is not portrayed as something that never happened, regardless of whether the writers decide its something that is only part of the past of this story or not. Maybe all this reveal about DQ will get into more of Emma’s past–and might be a thread that could lead to a story about how August knew things he shouldn’t have known and why he felt Emma had to be all alone to break the curse. Maybe that was DQ’s influence there–she and August both needed the curse broken, but she also needed EMMA to be broken so Emma would become her pawn. She just didn’t tell August that. Thing is, I ‘m not crazy about having such big plot holes being filled by a story they weren’t always contemplating doing –though perhaps they knew there was someone who pulled August’s (the puppet!) strings, but left it open to decide later who and why. PP could have worked with the Home Office stuff, but this is another good chance for them–but I predict they’ll not explain any of it yet again. But at least I’m temporarily feeling excited for a brief moment that maybe the writers have NOT entirely forgotten certain things…..but we shall see. On the other side, the rumors that Mulan might get a happy ending make me disconcerted Aurora named her son after her husband, and that they had the Princess Mommy club sing “Goodbye Neal, Goodbye Phillip….” the fans want you dead, so the ships they want can happen! Ok, I made up the last verse, but it fit except for Alex…but hey, curiously younger and gender-swapped baby, goodbye to you too because we wont’ see you again!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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Participant[Url=”http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/85/f3/4f/85f34f84856a1c1fa7d3b2df7899791d.jpg”%5D Source [/url] Some Dark Rainbow Cake to say HAPPPY BIRTHDAY RAINBOW….because dark chocolate on a rainbow makes it better just like it does everything.
******Meanwhile back at the ranch….well, not that I’m in the ranch but I finally got caught up on the series. I wasn’t sure whether I would, but my curiosity to see Frozen Cosplay and Will, and to see what people were discussing won out.My main feeling right now is just confusion. Some confusion about the inconsistent characterization (Belle in Skin Deep hadn’t seen the world but now she’s been to Arendelle?), the amount of plot dumb (Bo Peep couldn’t just use her magic staff and her “army” was 2 guys? Emma and Hook went back in time and the book changed, but Henry believes Regina about an author for it who controls fate?). I’m confused why Adam works so hard to pretend he was misunderstood (Is he a villain then?) all the time–like the video scoop with Mittovich saying Emma knew about Graham, but then Adam patently denying they even wrote such a scene. Adam offers up that perhaps they were speaking hypothetically–there’s so much double-talk, walking back, equivocating–well its no surprise considering the characters they love the most to write all seem to be masters of deception and manipulation. I feel confused about why I am kind of excited about Cruella and other villains flooding 3b. Maybe Regina takes a True Love forgetting potion as Snow did and it does as bad a number on her as it did Snow. Maybe we get Evil Regina back–at least until they save her from herself. I’m just starting to wonder about mythology stuff again and I know I shouldn’t. There probably won’t be a good answer for why the hat was not in the Snow Queen’s clutches despite her having had it in the past. Lily probably won’t mean much, and I know the writers just slyly pulled their “two wrongs make a meh who cares” again with Regina’s imprisonment of Sydney, and Rumple lying to Belle then Belle lying to Rumple. I’m braced for Rumple and Hook’s “long as you live” deal to roller-coaster around with a magic-has-a-price-except-when-it-doesn’t “death” for Hook that doesn’t last even past a commercial break, just gets him out of his deal. And of course, if that happens, its hard to imagine the writers ever picking up a thread related to Neal. Because if they do, they have to start building it more obviously than they have been, bit by bit showing that Emma is not over it, that Henry isn’t just cool with it, but I don’t think they’ve set it up for that.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
kfchimera
ParticipantThat letter is perfection. We connected to the character only because MRJ (and let’s not forget Dylan!) made the character come alive for us.
Even if ABC is mortified by the nomination, maybe it will remind A&E that their own characters are worth writing and they do not need to stuff the show so heavily with fan fic reinterpretation of Disney cannon only. Speaking of that…..
Glenn Close did do a live action Cruella but see they want to do one from her side like the Maleficient movie. I am not sure what they will do but they did hire the Devil wears Prada screenwriter so maybe Cruella will have a Miranda Priestly type monologue about how important fashion is or something, and how misunderstood she is.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
kfchimera
ParticipantYes, the classic will be re-released, but they are also penning another [url=”http://thedissolve.com/news/574-101-dalmations-cruella-de-vil-will-be-the-next-dis/”%5D live action movie [/url] in the vein of Maleficent and actually the tentative screenwriter is the guy who did Devil Wears Prada so I am kind of excited by that. Anyway, Cruella is a potentially interesting character for them to use, because normally she’s “real world” based but not sure what these writers will do, give the movie is not out YET to help pump up fans watching OUAT. So I’m thinking a minimal appearance, with a just barely sketched version to prime audiences to see the movie when it releases.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
kfchimera
ParticipantSo about Cruella…any surprise Disney has plans for a live action movie with her? Cause they do. Any way I always wanted them to make Cruella into a fashion magazine editor like Devil Wears Prada who had Neal as a fashion illustrator to explain his job in N Y. Then she rolls into SB tracking him down, sees puppies and magic and mayhem ensues….but who knows what they will do with her. I just liked the idea of some crazy rich villain from the real world who had resources to create a real problem .
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
kfchimera
ParticipantHello everyone, wow, I admit to being pleasantly shocked MRJ ‘s Neal made it so far in that fan contest. It’s not like you come across random pro-Neal comments, but its not hard to see very negative ones here and there in comments below articles. People constantly remind everyone that ‘everyone’ hates Neal, but apparently, that’s not the case or this never would happened, especially with people actively trying to get votes for anyone but Neal, or reminding people to write things in instead.
It’s just something to maybe, ever so slightly, bend me away from my super cynical point of view–or rather use that cynical point of view for hope for Neal’s story not being as done as we thought. If fandom hate about Neal drove the writers to think the character wasn’t “working” and thus write him out quickly (like they did with Greg and Tamara, and other characters)–well it does give me hope they might reconsider their “story reasons” to keep the character dead. After all, “real death” doesn’t mean much if you’re such artful wordsmiths as A&E used to splitting hairs and introducing technicality after technicality to distinguish what you said from what someone thought you said, to what it is convenient for you to mean now. Once you have “time travel” in your universe, oh and characters like Nyx who can just decide what it is and is not one’s fate–well, there’s nothing they cannot DO–its a matter of what they WANT to do. We’ve said it–there was no will to bring Neal back, so it didn’t matter that there were no ways. Well…perhaps this People’s Choice thing might rekindle a will to bring Neal back. Heck there’s even a “Will” in the story now too–Will Scarlett mysteriously kicking about, a guy who just happens to know a bit about forgiving a seemingly impossible betrayal AND having that love return from the dead. He could have quite the interesting conversation with Emma perhaps?
What’s more, I see a sort of pattern in Emma’s progression as a character that might fit with an explanation of how she wasn’t “ready” to let Neal back in her life that day on the beach when she talked to David. She understood logically why Neal left, his reason stated as “to get her home”–but she didn’t emotionally put any weight on being home until she understood what it was to have one. So what he was trying to do by leaving her just wasn’t something until recently that she could appreciate at all, even if logically she said she understood he had no choice due to being in the way of the curse (and that whole plotline is still convoluted). The other thing is we just learned from her story with Lily is that Emma has problems holding on to anger even when someone sincerely apologizes for having hurt her–something she showed when Neal apologized to her twice and she reacted the guarded way she did. Now that she understands “home” and “accepting apologies” maybe Emma will come to realize that she actually has changed the way she feels about Neal, even though before she didn’t think she could–because she also said she wanted more than anything to feel differently than she did. Maybe, just maybe, now she does.
Then again, with the writing of the show being so heavily all about Villains finding happiness–its hard to imagine this narrative freight train switching tracks again.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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ParticipantRG–I loved the article you wrote about GamerGate. I used to game, not so much these days and I didn’t really do the heavy, competitive first person shooting (PvP) so much, though I did like being part of teams. It was like sports without the running. And the thing is, people sort of come to have a culture to how they participate in activities and it takes time to teach people to change that culture, so they can be more inclusive rather than being resentful about “having” to change and “give up” something they have just gotten used to being a certain way. Part of that teaching needs to be informal, moment to moment, people saying “Hey, that’s not right” or “Not cool” and yes, talking about our expectations and how we portray certain things in media and the stories we consume for entertainment.
Anyway, here’s just a ramble of my scattered thoughts on the two episodes I watched:
I definitely think the writers were setting up the theme for the General Audience that this is a story about Villains getting Happy Endings too. That scene with Emma and Regina just looms very large, because it definitely was designed to help sell OUAT to the Frozen set, and once they buy that just like Frozen, just like Elsa gets happiness, so should Regina (and then Rumple and Hook) and so it will be easy to start the usual mix of White Washing, Rug Sweeping and general dropped plot threads that allows the writers to have their cake and eat it too with characters who act bad but never bad enough to dramatically alter the reasons they all keep interacting in the story.
There’s always an excuse to be made for the “misunderstood” villains, isn’t there? I heard a lot about the imprisonment of Sydney, and when I saw it go down, I noticed how the writers were careful to make Sydney seem deranged and kind of dangerous, just so excited to be a “murderous arm”. The writers were setting us up not to like him, and meanwhile, even while Regina is plotting something bad at first, they do the “but she didn’t go through with it” justification, play up how sad and alone Regina is, and have her save Marian. She also told Sydney his imprisonment was only temporary (doesn’t totally make it ok, but you kind of see how its less evil seeming than “I trap you forever, muahhah”. ) The writers just keep playing with this “two wrongs, so call it even and meh.” thing–and another example of this? Hook and Rumple.
See I look at Hook and think he waltzed in and blackmailed Rumple and that’s already showing he’s not as good/reformed/redeemed as he thinks he is long before he gets his pirate hand back. Yet I forget how in this show the writers think revealing secrets is the most vile thing anyone can ever do, like ever and so I’m supposed to think Hook’s a stand up guy for NOT revealing the secret and offering to make a deal instead. At least I think that’s what the writers are saying because I can’t think that totally mucked up way they do. And then once Rumple gives him the hand, well its a game of can you trust Rumple? There’s just enough ambiguity with Rumple, plus enough wrongness in Rumple trapping Hook, that I feel the writers are trying to build sympathy for Hook. So of course, when Hook finally turns on Rumple at risk to himself, it sets up Emma to pull out white magic love beams and save him or something like that. They won’t have her react to being lied to and deceived or if they do, it won’t last long.
Of course, Belle won’t care about that sort of thing either, because she (and through her the audience will be tempted to think the same way) that Rumple’s just trying to fix his curse, and isn’t that a good thing?! No more Dark Ones ever! Why he is almost heroic, and if he is, then so is Hook! Meanwhile, Regina will continue to cry a flood of tears and show restraint (like active you know she wants to fireball someone but she is holding it back restraint) as she plots to entirely rewrite the story, despite having seen time travel work to change the story. It just makes my head hurt far worse than coconut candles, the mystery of blue fairy magic or anything else. If you can travel in time, and the book rewrites itself, why would you think there’s an author controlling what gets written? Why would Henry agree with her?
Worse still, why would Henry even say Rumple has his Happy Ending because he married Belle, when Rumple just lost his son who Rumple saw as his Happy Ending and said so often? Maybe Henry never heard that, but sheesh, you’d think as Neal’s son that Henry would sort of at least have an inkling that things aren’t all that rosy for Rumple either, but there Henry is, thinking all’s dandy for Rumple to the point of thinking he must have paid off the writer to break the no villain happiness rule. And Regina, who recently faced a life without her son and got so depressed she wanted to put herself on ice more or less–she doesn’t question this at all? Weirder still, Henry is really worried Regina might revert in the premier, but several episodes later, he is totally on board with the idea that it was all just a PR problem with the book portraying her as a villain because it was wrong about her. Again–I am not saying she hasn’t been shown as genuinely growing and redeeming herself and wanting to change–but if all the book did was record what people did then how was it wrong? It would have flowed better if they’d both recognized that it feels like former villains don’t get to have it all, the perfect happiness, Regina has her son but not her romantic love, Rumple gets the romantic love but not the son–and then they planned for Henry to go see if Rumple knows anyway to fix their stories. It could still be Operation Mongoose because Regina doesn’t entirely trust Rumple or something, they do have a long and complicated history together. Just the way it was all written seemed wrong.
Granted, I missed several episodes in between despite having read recaps…but I feel like I know these writers tricks from previous seasons now.
So much as I love the notion of this beautiful, complicated slow-burn “breadcrumbs” of the writers trying to show Emma on a journey to realizing she’s not really over it all as much as she thought, learning to forgive and to truly understand why Neal did what he did, in order to set up a truly magical, fairytale resurrection and reconcilliation–I can’t have that much faith in the writers to be doing that if so much is framed around the villains’ point of view. Before I believe they are setting anything up, I suppose they’d have to go back and fill in the missing pieces on why Neal had no choice, which again, mythology stuff which they are terrible at doing. I don’t think there’s an answer any more than there’s an answer to why Rumple had to kill himself to take out Pan, or why there was a vault of goo and Zelena just happened to have the key, or how some spinsters had extra beans to just go handing one out, or how Neal knew about the Squid or escaped NL, or how August even knew who Neal was –the writers just love to toss in details to hint at a larger world without actually having an idea of where those hints would go–until they need them to go somewhere. Then it goes where they want it to–like how reversing a curse suddenly raised walls that never existed before that curse was cast such that magic beans (that are supposed to be extinct) are suddenly useless, then useful again after the curse is recast, and apparently, obtainable if you know the right people and have the right stuff in trade.
Sigh..so this is why its better I don’t think too hard as I said–I really just wanted to watch for Frozen cosplay and some curiosity to see Will and what he’s doing.
Speaking of that, one more way in which PodEmma is unlikable–she KNOWS people are fairy tale characters for real, and Will is holding the Alice in Wonderland book and she’s just so dismissive and insulting in how she delivers the dig about “his friends,” like he’s a child with imaginary friends. I get she’s peeved at him for “interrupting” her date–but she knows people were just ripped from random places to SB due to the curse being recast right? I mean, she hasn’t forgotten that bit? You’d think she could once in bit show compassion for someone who isn’t putting her life in danger at the time or has recently done that–I’m trying to think of the last time she did actually.
And yes, MRJ is just not blatant enough of a PR -pusher for ABC’s tastes I think. I respect it, but pretty sure their marketing team doesn’t.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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ParticipantI hope Lisas gets better and am sorry to hear she’s not feeling well again! Since I don’t Ranch, someone please pass those thoughts along.
Happy Bison Day! I found an easy reader book on Bison at the library for my daughter to read and will be thinking of you all!
I did watch the first episode, and the Apprentice just to see for myself –and I don’t know its too time consuming to relay my scattered thoughts about any of it right now–maybe another time, but so far, I think the Villain Fairy Tale project is still very much the spirit that drives the writers room.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
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