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Cinders– splashy wedding equals Ariel? Nice, I love it.
Crack theory though!It is a flash-forward and Snowing baby and Philora baby are getting married!
No idea on the connection of WWW, but wonder with how Henry connects everyone, could that rule out anyone connected to him or is couple being used as “a few” not “two”? Maybe it is August and Gepetto.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Has Robbie been seen filming? I don’t see much more role to PP if he’s not given any clues that he’s doing more work for OUAT.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Whoever this guy is to Emma, if it’s a new love interest it could create some interesting dynamics and it makes sense given she’s had a cursed personality that thinks she’s led a relatively stable life as a single mother for 11 years, and was supposed to have the gift of a good life. So I guess I think it would be a good thing for Emma, even when the old memories surface just in terms of giving her some perspective to better know what she wants in a romance that isn’t formed in some kind of high stakes situation.
In any case, I also would love to learn more about Emma’s childhood and background in general, so if a mentor/foster-brother or someone who knew the old Emma, maybe in the post-Neal and pre-SB days, that would be awesome too. It might make sense as well for her to call someone and say “look did I have a kid when I worked for you” and for that person to say “no, Emma what are you talking about? You were alone when I taught you how to be a bailbonds person.”
The whole connection to Rapunzel thing though is what really throws me, and I just love the idea of him being Henry Gale so much, but it all might be too much to pack into one character! (When has that ever stopped them, really?).
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Maybe she literally cannot see Henry lol. He’ll be invisible, inaudible and intangible to her even though he’s right there.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I agree with Phee it is not a huge leap from street rat Bae in Victorian London, stealing bread to street wise Neal stealing to survive. He didn’t come across to me like someone proud of that lifestyle or who was all that adept at it, but someone who fell into it and didn’t really have a great plan in mind, just adapting to circumstances . I suppose he could have met the Wizard and come to this world with him, picking up a few tricks but he would have been a teenager still when he got to this world I think.
Anyway, we’ll find out if he ever stopped anywhere else because his line “This world wasn’t my first stop” still seems odd if he did land in this world, just a different historical period of it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Yay! good casting. Looking forward to this episode.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Adorable RG!So if you read those untold stories, there’s a Rumbelle one that’s interesting for SF. It’s the one where Rumpel wishes Belle were dead because he’s just so angry and hurt. I think it’s an interesting comparison because when you have a character that’s felt so unloved and alone as I think Emma and Rumple have, that kind of thought hurled at someone they actually do love, reflects their devastation and fear of being hurt, not their actual dislike and lack of love for the person. Emma continues to be written as not just having “feelings” some amorphous thing between friendship, infatuation, flattery, curiosity for Neal–she LOVES him, and as she “never stopped” it seems like that’s “IN LOVE” with him, even though at the present moment in the story there remain questions they have for each other, and about themselves. That’s character development though, and shows how this love story is being developed in the present day narrative.In this story, evil isn’t born, but made, and I think “True Love” is the same. You don’t fall instantly in True Love–you have a spark with someone that grows to a connection that deepens, and could become love, and then if you resist the temptations/challenges to give up when circumstances draw you apart, to continue to put the other person’s interests first, to try to understand them, forgive them when necessary, it can become “True Love”. Now I see why people feel that could apply to CS, and yes, it could–but it does to SF too every bit as much as it does with Rumbelle or Snowing because resisting the temptations doesn’t mean you never doubt yourself, never break apart, or that you never experience anger or mistrust of the other person. It means that despite all that you find a way back to each other, when a lesser degree of love would shatter and vanish, the connection between a true love pair is stronger. It doesn’t mean you always know the other is there, waiting. Alice says that in WL, but actually she was depressed and despondent, convinced Cyrus was gone until she saw some proof. As she said, its nice to have. Charming was willing to die to save Abigail’s cursed love, because either he helped her or he’d be out of his misery over Snow rejecting him. Aurora thought Phillip was dead, not realizing there was a way to get him back until Cora told her. Ariel with Eric, Cinderella with Thomas, had moments fearing the other wouldn’t trust or understand something about them (being a mermaid/deal with rumple) . If you stop the story at a moment, if you question it and tear into it the way people do who want something else to happen, it can really seem like the couple aren’t going to find their way back, shouldn’t because their belief in love at those moments is not enough to make the challenge non trivial. If you don’t do that though and pay attention to how we’re seeing BOTH sides of Emma and Neal’s perspectives here, it definitely seems like the writers are telling the story of how they fell back in love (even if we haven’t really seen that much of the story of how they fell in love in the first place). The important part, the part where that love is (I think) becoming “True” is when they choose to support, forgive, understand and trust each other despite the reasons to do the opposite.
Snow thought that Neal would understand Emma kissing Hook. He did. He never once showed anger at Emma about that, even though we can see it wasn’t that it didn’t trouble him. He obviously was jealous, and while he didn’t hold it all in, he also didn’t aggressively lash out at Hook or Emma. Emma had much the same restrained attitude with Tamara. Of course, she did not have a troubled history of her own with Tamara as Neal did with Hook. Plus, Emma had not yet been willing to admit or reveal that she still loved Neal, as she very much resisted being honest with herself, Neal or anyone about how she felt (and Neal too allowed fear and doubt to keep him from expressing all he felt as well). Neal learned his lesson though, and wasn’t going to keep that love inside this time around in NL. So it was harder, because he knew he felt something for Emma, as opposed to outwardly having that bit of a wall to cover the hurt, to pretend not to care at all. He could do nothing but feel it, but he didn’t let it turn into resentment. He acknowledged he had no claim, no right to demand her affections be his exclusively. He didn’t tell her she has to choose, then and there or even later. He only wanted her to know that he IS a choice because he loves her, and if she decides that all they have between them is Henry (even if he wants more), he will respect and understand it. So both of them have this respect, rather than just thinking of their own feelings, for each other, and their choices even when they think they aren’t going to be together, despite the pull they feel toward each other. They act like they love each other rather than they’re in a war trying to get back at each other, or insult each other, or one-up the other. They support each other, bring out the best (compassion, humor, confidence) in each other. So it doesn’t surprise me that Snow, having the experience of true love that survives misunderstandings, would see it between Neal and Emma and root for Emma to realize it too.“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So I wonder if we might get more NL backstory if Tink is still around. Did they breakdown the NL set ? I know it was pretty elaborate they said far as lots of plants and such but they could keep a small corner of it I guess. I just assumed they’d sort of get rid of it as it sounded like a big investment if they weren’t shooting in it all the time.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I agree, hard to keep hair coifed in wind and cold.
I also did not see a sword, just the zipper from Rh’s jacket. So I think all you see of that other guy talking in the background is a head I think, not a body with a sword.
Yep, coat says NYC but the leather jacket says SB. J.Mo has said the jacket is sort of Emma’s “armor” so I imagine it is something that she puts on when back in SB and gearing up for fighting (but man that must be so much colder than the big red peacoat).
By the way think we have the answer to those super heels–Gorham is tall so whether or not it is a “date” they couldn’ t get J.Mo’s head in the frame without heels or a box for her to stand on ! They look the same height almost in the shot there, but goodness, they’re far from it.
Still wondering what’s going on, looks like he’s explaining something and she looks upset. He’s got the wide hand gesturing.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
I guess Emma could be in Regina’s house with that kind of crown molding but its not the loft.
I’m not convinced she’s in SB already at that point though in the coat, as I think she’s got the leather jacket on by the time she gets to SB to break the curse.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
