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The silly shadow-coconut sail (well we already had a feather one so why not….)

DIDN’T HOOK DESTROY THE PEGASUS SAIL WHEN HIS BROTHER DIED SO NO ONE ELSE COULD GO TO NEVERLAND TO GET THE DREAM SHADE.
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Yes, he destroyed it which is why they had to find another way to fly.

My point was that ripping feathers off a Pegasus, is no more silly than a shadow -sail so in for a penny in for a pound of suspension of disbelief.  Both  looked cool so that is what I mean why not.

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Felix is like Draco.  He’s sort of cold and maybe a bully, but without the evil mastermind to follow, he probably isn’t going to get up to too much trouble.

I think they felt if they singled out Felix it would give fuel to his fire saying you cannot trust them.  They have to give Felix a chance, and maybe he’s just being angry (they think) not unquestioningly loyal to Pan (which he is).

I do think that might mean Felix would be a “death”.  Sorry PoM!  If they want to kill a lost boy he’s the one who looks the oldest.

 

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I think Blue is just constrained by rules, and isn’t sneaky (just plot devicey).  They could make her sneaky because how they wrote her but not sure they intended it all along in some master plan.   Even as Sneaky Fairy, she would be Sneaky and Ineffective with how things have gone down depending on what motive they were giving her (like restoring magic might sort of kind of work in some chess match with fate setting limits for her).

 

Anyway, I would like to see Tink restored to being a fairy.  I liked that Wendy and Tink had that conversation.   I’m just sort of curious though, are either of them headed for heartbreaking confrontation with Pan?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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. @PtiteYaya i started. i found many inaccuracies right away and stopped #savehenry #OnceUponATime #uglyducklings

— Jennifer Morrison (@jenmorrisonlive) December 2, 2013

It’s not Adam, but I thought it was funny and wanted to share somewhere.  I think we had a thread on the novelization but couldn’t find it.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Hm, I don’t think Regina cast a spell, it was that Tink believed in herself again I think (and a bit from Wendy).

I think I’d like it to be the town and then Blue is sort of challenged and vanishes.  Yes to Sneaky fairy development.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I’ll admit the writers are entitled to fudge reality, especially when it comes to legal technicalities.  It’s not a procedural or legal show, plus there’s a lot of variation about how states handle things between states, and even in the same one over time.

Anyway, the whole adoption still was shady.   Regardless of whether Regina filed magic paperwork, what she filed was based on a sham world she created.  We know there were no follow-up state workers to do home visits.   Her references were likely people in her curse, programmed to say nice things about her (because who dares to do otherwise with Madame Mayor?).

The agent didn’t come across as some greedy, child-seller.  He seemed more like your standard agency shill, someone who punches in their time but doesn’t try too hard beyond the minimum required of his job.  So I guess it works that he wasn’t curious about Regina.  She had the paperwork, she looked the part, and then I guess we’re to assume he punts the ball to the state government to do the follow-up.  He files his report with them, and then some clerk gets a magic report that all is well and no one is the wiser.

Somehow Regina was able to get Sydney to talk to people to get information for her, so there’s some influence from SB to people outside of it, though I don’t know if it is the same as magic spells.  It might be that money /credit created with magic in SB can affect databases outside of it or something.  I’m still not sure how that works with Mm’s credit card that Henry stole.

Might be time to find our “pot holes” thread.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Wow that’s seriously sweet, that 6 year old drawing! Hope that gets into fan art friday!Neal did awesome again, keeping his cool and I was so worried Henry-pan was going to shove him off when they had the conversation (as I’d guessed when the eyes glowed it was a body swap).   I wonder what Pan thought about Neal saying to Henry he’d never lose his father?   I think like Regina, he doesn’t really carry regrets but not because he’s found love after all the pain, but because he still thinks he can be an immortal child/god like thing.  /shiver.Also Regina said to Emma that she has “this person”  meaning Neal, but that Hook was pining for her.  So Emma has Neal, there’s no doubting the connection but with Hook its all about what Hook wants, he pines (as in, Emma doesn’t have him, though she could, so he is emotionally at a distance from her).  I know, just reading into Regina’s comments a lot, as really  her point was that Emma has people who are in her life who care about her (regardless of how Emma thinks of them) other than Henry.
I expected some conversation between Neal and Hook, and Hook and Tink from one of those A&E interview articles–but yet again, more misleading media right?
I did love the Wendy/Tink and Regina/Tink moments though.  One thing I’m sure people will bring up is, why did Regina  put a spell on Henry to prevent his heart from being taken. I’m sure people will argue therefore he isn’t born of  true love.First, I don’t know if we’ve had confirmed that people born of true love cannot have their hearts taken.  It’s a conclusion people make based on Cora failing and then what Gold said later on.  Yet the writers never confirmed exactly and Jane Epenson has said somethings are unique about Emma that aren’t true for all True love babies.  After all, Regina pulled out Snow’s heart and we thought Leo and Eva were true love, though it was never really confirmed for sure.Second, even if it is true that true love baby means you can’t take the hearts, then it is possible that Regina put her spell on top of protection already there that she didn’t realize was there.  Regina deals in dark magic, so there’s no reason she would necessarily be aware of that protection any more than Cora seemed to be when Emma stepped in front of Snow.
Finally, I think its possible Emma’s sacrifice in that moment with Cora was what created the protection (like Harry Potter’s mother’s spell did).  So I know it will probably get asserted a lot that it is proving something–but even if Emma and Neal were not truly in love in the past, it is not of course a bar to them falling truly in love in the present/future.  I think one thing Jane E. also said about Snowing is they fought very hard for their love.   That’s part of what made it true, is that they endured so much.
I think that is part of the path that Neal and Emma are on now, and that goes to seeing their real love story play out in present, even if the roots were in the past, the flowering of it is still to come.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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Likes:

Regina ripping out Henry’s heart (but where’s Pan’s original one?!) and saying she has no regrets.  That’s very in character for her, so good job writers, making her do something heroic but without losing her edge and ignoring her darker nature. This did not feel too retcony to me, the way they did it but there were a few things that did which I will get to in the dislikes.

Seeing Baby Henry fuss and spit up (yes thank you writers! And they even threw in a bit of Granny with the advice too.  )

The bonding between Snow, Charming and Emma (Yay!)

The bonding between Rumple, Nealfire and …well sort of Henry (too bad it was grandpa, not his son!)

The smile Emma had noticing Rumple and Nealfire’s bonding, and the way they worked together to light the canon

The silly shadow-coconut sail (well we already had a feather one so why not….)

Confirmation that Regina would have killed the savior as a baby, if she could have (we debated that a lot and I thought that was the point of her sending the guards but now we know!).

 

Dislike

Jared’s acting as Pan.  I know I know, I’m being harsh on the kid  but he needed to work the eyebrow!  I think its exciting for Jared to get something meaty to play so I’m happy for him, but  it was just a small scene there so maybe he’ll work the eyebrow soon.

There was something retcon and off  feeling about the  SB portion of the episode, the little bits I liked up there aside.

1) Dr. Whale’s hair.  The whole point was they stayed the same for 28 years.  It broke my suspension of disbelief a little but even more so was he seemed a bit different too.  Maybe its just been so long since he was in the show, or Anders is like yeah, I’ll do this lame cameo but so much for getting a good story arc here.    Did you see the picture from him and the guy who plays Eric from EnchtaCon? Was it a subtle sign he’s just not that into this show?

2) The Regina/Gold convo…. I agree he didn’t know, but I think he ought to have told her she seemed crazy and go see Hopper, as he did last time in Welcome to Storeybrooke.  I felt they ought to have clued us into the visuals of the town repeating life as last time, and they didn’t and it is partly what gave me a retcon feel, besides of course the obvious Plot Coupon of Potion Forgetfulness!

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I think a lot of people feel that way, but just have a preference one way right now.  Then there are others that  go on to feel (I know Suraya used to express this view) that there is no way some pairings could possibly be well-written.    I’m not an absolutist, because I feel stories are inherently flexible creations, and these are not ‘real’ people where we know everything about them past or future.    So much of what we think we know is based on the interpretations and assumptions we make!
No matter how many times I say it though, there are some who would put labels on me, some well-meaning, some not so much but what can you do?   For the most part we are a friendly community here, and even if I ship, I’ve also expressed the opinion that no ship would be good too for some characters.

I’ve always wanted good story more than anything but we all have different ideas of what makes a story good, don’t we?

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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I agree with that RG– I feel like before on this thread we have drawn parallels between Henry’s situation and Neal’s as abused kids, but it is a good point that Neal may have doubted himself the same way Rumple does too, that anyone could really love him.  That he and Emma bonded was very important to both of them.

Also, Phee, that was a nice post too, and echoes things we’ve said also about how Neal has a very unique set of experiences in the real world and fairy tale land that allow him to really understand who Emma is as a person.  He’s been left, betrayed and had to give someone up.  He knows what it is like to have a parent addicted to magic (which is more about Henry) but it relates to Emma needing to deal with Regina as co-parent.  He’s had foster families.  He’s been tossed into worlds with no preparation and entirely different cultures and rules and had to pick it up as he went (like Emma when she landed in NL and EF).

In terms of being able to support each other, and get the other’s back, while it doesn’t have to be romantic, I think why not?  Romance is part of life, and much as I do not want it to be the focus and the “solution” to Emma’s or Neal’s problems (as in some stories, marry the prince and tah dah, happy ending), I do want it to be part of the story.  I was hoping the writers would take a long time to build up the path of how they regain each other’s trust, because what that tumblr post brought out is the trust really does need to go both ways.  They both have suffered a lot, but I feel Emma brings out strength and purpose in Neal, and I think he does the same for her.
They both seem to me to inspire the other despite the angst and pain that came out of the curious circumstances and timing of their paths crossing.  That is what I would like to see the writers develop, how they evolve as people who can bridge the kinds of misunderstandings that, though exaggerated by magic and such, would break others apart.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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