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“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
What if Regina has to go for magic reasons involved with saving Henry or casting the curse. Perhaps she even chooses to do it as a way to make up for all the pain she caused, by reclaiming their home for everyone. I do not see her choosing to seek out the lion tattoo guy–it will be a shock to her I think when she sees it.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Aww *hug* ! Annwyn!
I think we drive ourselves a bit crazy with spoilers (and remember to block them for those who don’t like them!), because you can imagine anything without context. Stories have a lot of flexibility, especially this one.
Still the writers have made Neal and Emma two peas in a pod. They are culturally from two different worlds now, both experiencing trying to survive in a world so different from their own. They both were abandoned at a young age. Both had foster parents. Both lived on the streets. Both wished on the Blue Star for family. Both would die for Henry, but neither would kill an innocent even an innocent in the employ of a not-so-innocent for him unless absolutely necessary, no other choice scenario. Both would put an innocent at some calculated risk for their son. Both like hot chocolate with cinnamon. Both try to stand up for others who are being bullied (Neal with Whale, Emma with Ashley). Both are generally liked by other people, as oppose to the kind of person who rubs people the wrong way because they say and do mean things to amuse themselves. They never lost complete hope despite all the pain. They are resourceful. They are resilient. They want to forgive, but they don’t trust blindly either. They don’t expect others to do things for them.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
We just have to wait and see. No context and they could do anything.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Aww RG, I like that idea, very poetic. They do stage these things. It would be natural to look at Charming in that scene, but she does not.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So someone posted a still of this part of the scene, but seeing this in a gif made me realize, just how long Emma is staring at Neal.
I think she is starting to realize that he went through so much more than he ever let on, and that he is so much more heroic and good than she ever thought. He never tried to use his past as an excuse or to justify what he did. He doesn’t try to take credit for things, let alone things he didn’t really do. He apologizes for his mistakes. All the good things she ever saw in him are still there, but she now has reasons to second guess the bad things she imagined he must be like to have left her the way he did. Right now, all she can handle really is making sure they get Henry back, but she is seeing him in a new light, and she cannot stop looking!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Mickstemp, yes! If these tweets end up being very misleading or contradicted, well we’ll sort of know that the writers did change gears on their story. There’s no reason for him to be so clear when he avoids spoilers normally, but he was. In part, I think it was because it wasn’t a “spoiler”–it was something some of us concluded by watching the show. Of course, people argued about it so we had no way to know as the show was not crystal clear. I hope this time if they touch on it, they do make it crystal clear that, well he didn’t set her up, and he didn’t call the cops.
It could be he knew about the jail plan or not, which I hope he didn’t, but if he did, then I hope it was for really, really good reason, like they needed to get her somewhere the Home Office could not touch or something like that.
I wonder if they’re likely to touch on it sooner in 309 or is it in second half?
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
And that mindset really works with your idea that Hook is a very obsessive guy. And I think shows that really he’s just obsessed with the *idea* of Emma. A something to move on to after 300 years of Milah obsession. But it’s not really love.
The writers haven’t shown us much of what Milah and Hook’s actual relationship was like, so that’s quite possible. Regina says she doesn’t know how to love very well, and it may be true with Hook too that after he lost his brother Liam, that he loved in a very possessive way. Perhaps it plays into why Milah said she never loved Rumple, when we know she did at one point. That always struck me as odd. The other thing was that as she dies, Hook doesn’t say he loves her. He never says it that we see actually, because Hook refuses to divulge her existence, then she risks her life for him, we assume he loved her deeply. He was angry she was “taken from him”. Was their relationship about what was best for both or just him? Regina would die for Henry, but she would kill competition for his love too, and did not always love him the way he needed. Devotion is on a fine line with obsession.
Neal acknowledges that he does not own Emma, when he says Henry may be all that remains of their former relationship. He doesn’t say to Hook “I’ve got Emma now” but the reverse, telling Hook, that “She’s got me now” and that’s where Neal is. He’s given his love to Emma, his intention is to support her and he’s had his period of doubt and fear but he’s past that now.
Yes, it is a bit of a fairy-tale mentality, just like Snow, Charming, Belle and Rumple, to come out the other side of traumatic events and feel a new conviction about how much you love the one you almost lost, rather than thinking “oh there’s too much pain and sadness, better move on to someone else.”
There’s always pain and sadness in life. There’s always challenges and obstacles but you face them together if there’s love, so long as those challenges and obstacles aren’t a feature of the relationship dynamics itself.
If you want different things in life, if you don’t treat each other with respect and concern, then that’s where all those self-help type book things apply.
People keep trying to talk about Emma and Neal as if there’s something off in how they treat each other, now that there isn’t actual conflict between them of one of them being involved with another person. Even then, they approached that situation pretty sanely, aside from the bit where the woman turned out to be an evil schemer and Neal didn’t want to believe it. Who WOULD want to believe that, especially after the life he had led?
People try to argue that Neal doesn’t believe in Emma, and doesn’t support her, undermines her self-confidence, in short, that he brings her down, but I don’t see that. If anything he just always supported her to the extent he could curse aside, lets her take the lead, and followed her advice. He believes in her, and we see that now again in NL. When she calls him out about his immature behavior, he acknowledges it. He doesn’t side-step it, and while he’s making it clear he’s in it for the long-term with her, he’s also giving her space to work through her feelings without fear that it would affect his attitude towards Henry.
There is no pressure on her to be with him romantically at all in order to maintain his support for her and for her son. All he’s done is let her know (very subtlety) that he loves her. He didn’t even say it to her (even if that was the message he would have had Aurora give) because of how she expressed herself in the cage. He knew she didn’t want to hear that from him right then.
So instead, he spoke less about how he feels, and more about his intentions–he intends to fight for her. Not fight to win her or own her, but just to support her. He’s always been “just Neal” to her, and I think she’s always been “just Emma” to him. That’s the part of her he loves, while he admires all these other aspects of her too, they’ve caused problems (fairy tale problems) for them. So why shouldn’t they get to have a fairy tale solution to them?“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Thanks Phee about the article! If they dig into that article ‘s plot, there’s a lot there they could work with into a story.
For example, maybe the friends of her foster parents were not good people, and she caught them trying to hurt a kid, and she stood up for him, but that got her in trouble. So that is why she fled across country.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Holiday Cheer (Nealsnowman, Emma the Elf).
Phee and Molly–missed adding before but YES! I do want Hook to be redeemed, but also am disappointed at the lack of genuine development between Neal and Hook, based on history in NL (like how he knew Bae’s cave). That was the really interesting story, not two men being juvenile over a woman they both want. I do feel it is too soon to totally tame their antagonist characters because change should feel earned, but also that’s true that it helps keep conflict in the plot. Maybe that’s why we aren’t seeing more of the NL backstory as it becomes relevant in 309? It just feels they’ve got maybe 2 episodes left to get it out there, unless they’re going to be flashing back to NL in the second half the season. Just one more thing under the bumpy rug where stuff gets swept I suppose.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
