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OMG that would truly be PERFECT! I don’t know why but today I’m on a CS-high…
Killing myself with your thoughts here and all the parallels (there are so many of them!!) and putting together CS-vids like crazy… Oooooh you should post your vids here!!!! 🙂
Do you know, i’m kind of on a CS-high too for some reason, even though i’m anticipating that we’ll be in A LOT of pain after tonight’s episode. Last week was bad enough, I didn’t recover properly for a full two days afterward. Ugh, dreading the look on Killian’s face at the SF reunion. Darn you Colin O’Donoghue for being such a good actor!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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After reading what you two just wrote – I’m having so many CS feels right now. This would all be so great!! *crying*
MWAHAHAHA I’M ABOUT TO GIVE YOU MORE
2×09 was the episode in which Emma and Killian were working on opposite sides to get back to SB. 3×09 will be the episode where Killian and Emma are acting as a team to get back to SB.
ALSO
2×09 was the episode where Emma found out her heart couldn’t be taken. Wouldn’t it be PERFECT if 3×09 was the episode where Killian found out Emma’s heart can’t be taken???
I’M KILLING MYSELF HERE
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If you’re in love with two people, pick the second one. You wouldn’t have fallen for them if you truly loved the first.
Didn’t Johnny Depp say that? 😉 It’s so appropriate for CS!
Hook doing the right thing once again even though it could cost his happiness. He’s also doing the honorable and selfless thing by telling Emma and the others about Neal.
Do you know if this happens I will be absolutely so freaking happy. Because:
Your belief in love wasn’t strong enough to overcome your fear of rejection.
If Killian DOES tell Emma, then his belief in love IS strong enough to overcome his fear of rejection.
LALALALALALALA…
Also, random thought, but I think that sextant is going to come back into play. I think we’re going to see a flying Jolly Roger and Killian using the sextant to get them home – seeing as it looks like Neal’s map is pretty useless now that Pan has said he allowed Neal to leave the island.
So with that in mind, this means that Killian and Emma have fulfilled each others NL arcs – Killian will become a hero because of his love for Emma, and Emma will get home because of Killian.
LALALALALALALALA
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@ Captain Eala – Totally get where you are coming from on the triangle now- I was was thinking ‘where did I say SF = TL’??? LOL
Soooo sorry haha, I went off on a tangent without making my point clear in the first place! 🙂
I agree to a certain point with you on what they are doing- (I havent heard Adam & Eddy play down the triangle to date… in fact I’ve heard them talk more about SF than I have CS TBH- until just before Ep5 that is), so I guess time will tell on that score- I hope you are right, I want CS to happen, but I want it as endgame over it happening now (both would be nice though
)They said specifically at one point during the summer that they are telling a story and that they weren’t hyping up the triangle, the media was, i’m 99% sure about that. As to them talking about SF more…. nope I don’t think so, unless I missed a lot of stuff. We’ve had so many clues already. I think during the summer Eddy was at one point casually saying “I think Hook could maybe end up with Emma? Who knows?” – er, YOU DO EDDY, lol. We’ve had things like it may be “too late” for Neal, and the concept of being “too late” has been repeated over and over, and how “feelings would be hard to deny” “Captain Swan won’t be smooth sailing” (which is a good thing because lalalala “True Love must be fought for”).
In 3×01 (written by A+E no less) we had them literally at the freaking stern together and paralleled with Snowing sailing through a storm aka LITERAL NOT SMOOTH SAILING. And we had him looking at her when talking about his happy ending and as he is being redeemed through his love for Emma it literally makes no sense to me that they aren’t each others HE because it would render his character arc redundant. And then we saw how worried he was when she came back from the sea because TWO of his loved ones had been sent to sea and the sea literally gave Emma back to him. And in 3×02 we saw how extensively paralleled they were to Snowing (and Rumbelle), how Killian sees her true self when even her own freaking mother doesn’t know, and we saw how Snowing were fighting to be together on their own terms rather than the Queens (FORESHADOWING), and how the dwarves welcoming Charming into the fold which started with a toast and ended with a kiss, and in turn in Good Form we saw HOW KILLIAN WAS WELCOMED INTO THE FOLD WITH A TOAST AND GOT A VERY SIMILAR KISS. We know that JMo plays Emma with a “flame of hope” around Killian and when Emma mentioned she was the product of TL she LOOKED at him, unconsciously thinking he was that possibility for her… I just … ugh … just help me. The feels.
Anyway, i’m going off on a tangent again, but we’ve had dozens of clues in the first 5 episodes alone, so yeah, no doubts here. And as far as i’m concerned that even though tonight we will see the establishment of the “triangle” we still have no clue who Neal really is, there has been no focus on who he is as a person, how he makes Emma better, how he puts her needs first an foremost, so he is not a true contender in my eyes… but that’s just my opinion…
not Emma ditching Killian, him regressing back into Hook & we end up with the male, pirate version of Regina last season (that flip flopping REALLY drove me nuts!)
Yep, Regina drove me nuts last year too, but Colin has basically told us in a recent interview that he WON’T regress back into Killian if Emma goes back to Neal. Because she makes him a better person, and if that’s not TL I don’t know what is. Heck, this week we’re probably going to see him put Emma’s needs above his own yet again by telling her about Neal (which i’m 99% sure now that’s he’s going to) and that is FREAKING TRUE LOVE I don’t care what the haters have to say.
I will also play devils advocate & say the show has pointed out clearly that Emma still has deep feelings for/over Neal (Which like you, I will be royally devastated & ticked off if they have her falling for Neal again- given all her character growth). So there is “something” there, I just hope they have her handle it as the Emma we’ve all come to love & not as a star struck teenager, pining for her 1st love. I do actually think that Emma was “truly” IN love with Neal (not TL mind you, just truly “IN” love), which is why she spent 2yrs in Tallahassee waiting/looking for him (TL would have had her never stop looking, so it wasnt TL IMO) after he let her go to jail
While I fully believe that Emma truly loves Neal, and was in love with him, I don’t think she was truly IN love if you get my meaning lol. But yes, agree with everything else you said there!
There is one thing that bugs me looking back on S2 & I think they did this on purpose (to help Neal’s case)- I think they should have cast a younger actress as Emma, because she was supposed to be just 16/17yrs old when she meet Neal, then went to jail, then had Henry & gave him up at no more than 18yrs old. I dont think they cast a younger actress, because if they did, few if anyone, would be able to forgive Neal so lightly for what happened (even if they cast a younger actor to play him)- I mean if you imagine a 16/17yr old girl going through what Emma went through with Neal, jail, giving birth & giving her baby away, it becomes a whole lot more profound, than seeing a 30+ yr old going through it.
YES to this. Also, something I’ve long said, that if Neal hadn’t been revealed to be Baelfire there would be FAR less sympathy for Neal and everything he’s done. The fact that he was Baelfire is what makes him sympathetic to a lot of SF shippers IMO. And while I love Baelfire, I just cannot reconcile his character with Neal’s. Bae went to NL with the Shadow so that Michael wouldn’t be taken. Neal put Roland in danger to get to NL. Bae wanted the choice to have a family with Rumple and yet Neal took away Rumple’s choice in having a family with him. Bae wanted closure for his father abandoning him and yet gave Emma no closure when he abandoned her. Honestly it drives me bonkers the way I perceive Neal and Bae to be so different, I wish I didn’t but I do.
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As to your 1st point, I have NEVER, EVER said Neal & Emma are or were TL- not once, because I dont feel they fit the definition of TL as the show has thus far portrayed it.
Sorry, I know you don’t think they’re TL, I was just trying to emphasise why I don’t think this “triangle” will be an actual romantic triangle! 😉 I was just trying to get my point across that if Neal is Emma’s TL then a triangle would not exist IMO. At all.
Hook is no relation, but was a villain (I personally see him more of an anti hero), so needs redeeming & some strong connecting to Emma, before they can have a viable triangle (which they have done, Killian has now saved her father’s life).
See, all the points I was trying to make, which I probably didn’t make clear enough, were reasons why I don’t think they’re setting up a “viable” triangle at all. The more I think about it the more convinced I become. A viable triangle in this case would indicate that Emma is in love with both men and is flipping back and forth between the two, unable to make a choice. But that’s not what’s going to happen at all IMO – I think Emma is going to shut down and focus completely on the mission to #SaveHenry until she realises the depths of her feelings for Killian (which I believe will happen in 3×11 or 3×22 at the latest), and it is then that the “choice” will be made, and it will be made for good.
The writers have downplayed the triangle over and over, saying that the media is hyping it up. Every time they mention Swanfire it’s that things aren’t so rosy between them. Every time they mention CS they bring up Neal as an obstacle. I just cannot bring myself to see Neal as a threat to CS at all, not the way the show has portrayed it so far. I mean, 3×06 is most likely going to focus in on Killian’s reactions to the possibility of/the actual SF reunion.. They’re already focussing on how Killian is going to handle it, so it makes sense that they would focus on how he feels about it’s occurrence as well. Which, well, very much downplays the SF reuinion to me, and shows that the “triangle” itself will actually be very short. This is all just my speculation, but my speculations have actually played out 90% of the time.
Well so far ALL the actors involved have said there is no more kissing- at least not until AFTER Henry is saved, so well I think Emma’s “One time thing” is some serious denial on her part
I dont think there is going to be much CS snogging until after they’ve saved Henry & even then, Emma will probably pull back as the dynamics will change now Henry is back in the picture- I dont want them running around lip locking every 5 steps like randy teenagers- but that’s just my opinion Lol – I don’t think they’re going to run around kissing like teenagers, no way!!! 🙂 And no there won’t be any more kisses until they #SaveHenry but the fact that they have indicated that there will be more kisses – well to me that just proves that she will pick Killian, especially combined with the fact that I don’t think the triangle will be an actual one. And just as a side note, I cannot see Emma kissing Neal anytime soon. In fact if she does I would probably stop watching the show, because it is completely against all the character development Emma has received. It would be a complete regression of her character IMO. And Neal’s also – we want him to learn to stop his “nasty habit” of taking away people’s choices – a resurgence of SF would completely validate his use of his nasty habits.
We dont know if they will ‘back’ Neal, as they have done Killian in the next half, to even the playing field with Emma, we dont know what they will do yet…. until the next half gets here & I see what they are doing with Neal if anything I’m not going to count him out entirely.
Hm, well like I said, I cannot see Neal as a threat to our ship in any way whatsoever. If they wanted an even playing field, then they would have brought Neal into the show earlier.
It was Killian we saw first in 3×04. It is Killian who has had proper character development. It was both Killian and Emma who have had their “lovers” die in their arms. It was Killian and Emma who were paralleled extensively in 3×05. It is a pirate/sailor doll and a knight in Emma’s nursery. It is a picture of a ship in Emma’s room in Granny’s B&B.
Personally feel making Killian her TL would be an awesome story line, as it’d create drama within the family & extended family dynamics, which = more storytelling options- but that’s just my opinion
Yep, 100% agree with you there.
EDIT: Love that gifset 😉
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oncemusicfan and Eala – I have a feeling that we won’t see Neal mentioning Tamara ever again.
Oh, I have quite the opposite feeling actually! Well, not that Neal will bring Tamara up, but I think that certainly Emma will, and Tink too. That watch was focussed in on for a reason, that watch was brought IN for a reason IMO. Tink could have just said “Oh yeah, Pan killed those lackeys of his that brought your son here”. But no, they showed and emphasised the watch, TAMARA’S watch, and how she had to scrub blood off it all night. It’s going to come back into play, of that i’m 95% sure. If they don’t then there was no point in wasting precious screen time on the watch.
I can can see it from your point of view to I guess I had been seeing the sleeping curse as Emma making the ultimate choice of sacrifice just like Snow and Henry did. Emma would have to give herself up to the curse for it to work. (I also have this Peter Pan as the Sandman theory things would sort of fit nicely with). For whatever reason she makes the conscious choice to accept the curse. To me having Emma’s curse only broken by one of them says that even if the hadn’t admitted it to each other that they have chosen each other. The kiss is dependent on them choosing each other as their true love at that point all doubt would basically be removed.
See, this is something I’ve always wondered about – is True Love itself a conscious choice? Snowing chose to be with each other, to find each other whatever the cost. That was their conscious choice, that was them giving everything they had of themselves to the other, and that’s what made it True.
And then we have Rumbelle – who we know are a TL couple, BUT, I don’t think that Rumple has completely chosen to… let it take over, if you know what I mean. When Belle first kissed him, the Dark One curse started to fade away – but then Rumple made a conscious decision to reject that love. We know that TL can break any curse, so every time Rumbelle kiss the Dark One curse should break. But it doesn’t. And we can also establish that Rumbelle don’t have a psychic connection as he didn’t know she was alive when Regina held her captive. I believe Rumple is “at fault” here – he hasn’t given everything he is to Belle, hasn’t let his “essence” intermingle with Belle’s completely. That’s just my opinion though.
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I agree that the writers should address how Neal feels about Tamara’s betrayal. Let’s be honest, the SAME DAY that Neal was defending Tamara and still very much planning to marry her was the day that he told Emma he loved her. Granted, it was after Tamara shot him, but why haven’t we seen him mourn the loss of that relationship? He was so quick to confess his love to Emma after Tamara shot him, that I wonder if he ever truly loved either of those women. Do you think he is just so in love with the idea of having a family, the one thing he never truly had growing up, that he is willing to slide any woman into the girlfriend/wife role? He might care about Emma and definitely cared about Tamara, but was it “true love” for either of them, or was it Neal’s desperate attempt at having some type of family? I understand that most people desire to have a family and true love, and that is perfectly normal and wonderful. However, I would want to be loved more for who I am and not JUST because someone wants a family they never got to have. Just my opinion.
I think he did love both of them, but I agree that what he wants most is a family. Completely. He wanted to be with the Darlings more than anything. He must have spent his 300 years in NL thinking about them, longing for what was with them. Then he meets Emma and he wants to settle down with her. He meets Tamara, falls in love and wants to get married. He went to SB for Henry, not for Emma or Rumple. He asked Tamara to come to SB. He told Tamara everything about his past so that she wouldn’t find out on her own, which is more than he gave Emma.
I hope he finds his HE… but with Emma? …. no.
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Pan also has a habit of playing on people’s insecurities. Look at Emma, in Lost Girl, he played on Emma’s fear of becoming an orphan again and Henry turning away from her. With Neal, he didn’t play on Emma not loving him again. He played on Neal’s fears that his father hadn’t changed. With Hook, Pan played on his fears that Emma doesn’t truly love him but will always love Neal. See what Pan did there?
All the villains know what’s going on. YES! I have a link to a gifset I saw today showing that very thing you’re talking about obisgirl 😉
http://colinodonorgasm.tumblr.com/post/65776298036/captain-swan-parallels-16-confronting-peter
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Oooooooooooooooh I LOVE a good little discussion 😉
Hey, I don’t disagree with you on what the degree of Neal’s plot or character is at this point, but I wont rule out his playing a much larger role AFTER having established Hook as a viable love interest (this is a little of where my concern lies).
But you see, IF Neal is Emma’s TL (lol) WHY (logically and without shipper goggles on) would they establish Killian as a viable love interest AT ALL? If Neal is Emma’s TL then shouldn’t he ALREADY be well established as a character by this point? They waited to introduce Neal in the episode where Emma meets Hook, and right off the bat Neal created a barrier between Captain Swan.
IF Neal is Emma’s TL then Killian shouldn‘t stand a chance. Swanfire have a plethora of obstacles to get through already, they do not need Killian in the mix. A man who loves her, will do anything for her, understands her, puts her needs above his own and will fight for her. But Captain Swan needs Neal to create angst.
Emma has KISSED Killian despite the fact that her supposed TL has just died. Kissing is a huge deal to her, it’s not something she does lightly. And we have basically been hit over the head with the fact that we’re going to get MORE kisses. And Neal is coming back in 3×06. We’re going to get more kisses DESPITE the fact that Neal, Emma’s supposed TL, will be back in the picture.
Logically it makes no sense to me that if Neal is Emma’s True Love that she would fall for Killian at all, but she has. JMo has basically said that Emma is drawn to both of them and has feelings for both. When Neal comes back into the picture, her feelings for Killian aren’t going to just disappear.
If Emma is supposedly IN TRUE LOVE with Neal, then it should be no contest. Neal would win hands down. Killian just would not figure into the equation whatsoever. It would be all about how Neal and Emma having to repair their relationship, and a mere (LOL) kiss would not affect anything.
BUT she is equally torn between the two of them, and she isn’t even in love with Killian yet. When she realises she is, this intangible triangle will be gone. I say intangible because it’s nothing more than Killian and Emma, and both having painful ties to Neal.
And then there are the spoiler pictures for 3×10 where they’re back in SB, and CS are STILL working as a team, side by side, even though Neal is around. If Neal and Emma are TL then do you really think Neal would leave her side again when *stuff* is going down? When he has already abandoned her once before and is trying to make up for it? Nah. If it’s actually a triangle, do you think Neal would allow Killian to have ANY advantage by working with Emma without Neal around? Nah.
So yeah, even if they develop Neal’s character to the moon and back in 3×12-3×22, I still won’t see him as a viable competitor to Emma’s heart. Seriously, I have no doubts as to the endgame-ness of our ship. I have complete faith in the story they’re telling.
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