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I never would have thought we get this as a sneak. I won’t watch it now, even if its hard. I wanna see it in the episode. And considering what you wrote Eala – it’s worth the wait.
OMG IT IS
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
THEY WERE BOTH SO AFFECTED
AND IT WAS AMAZING
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I LOVE IT WHEN THEY SAY “IT’S JUST A ONE TIME THING”
BECAUSE
IT
NEVER
IS
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
/help
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IT’S AMAZING
IT’S MORE THAN I EVER DREAMED OF
THEY’RE BOTH VERY AFFECTED
HELP
SHE DID IT TO PROVE A POINT
BUT SHE WAS AFFECTED
HAVE MERCY
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@rumplegoldfan – the “Hook” was edited in there unfortunately! They were talking about Graham 🙂
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You know, it would be very cool to have Emma be very certain of Hook’s love for her as another parallel to Snowing.
Yes I would like that! And vice-versa of course. Killian thinks he’s the “worst human around” and that his heart is rotten. You can also see in 3×02, when Emma says that she is the product of True Love and the camera pans to him, he has this expression on his face where I think he’s going “Jeez, I really like her and there’s enough pressure here already, do I deserve to have the product of TL?”. Both of these people need an injection of TL, stat! My poor babies. I love them both so much.
In my opinion, what she had with Neal was pretty messed up – when I go back and look at it I don’t think it was ever really love at all. I think it was a lonely, “lost” teenager desparate for someone to connect with. Emma and Neal were connected in a very BAD way. They were involved in crime together, she ended up in jail, and became an unwed teenage mother. That sounds like a really dysfunctional relationship to me.
Yeah I would mostly agree here. I mean, I accept that she did love him and still does. Of course she does! He was the first person ever to show her any kind of love in a world where she had none. But yes, I was talking about that quote Killian made in 3×04 a few pages back about Neal being referred to as “her partner in crime”. I mean, yes that’s an expression of teamwork, but a very BAD one. When I heard that line all I could compare it to was “Emma I don’t mean to upset you but we make quite the team!” and they were working towards a common goal. Different motivations, but still, more positive connotations to that line than to “your partner in crime Neal”. Swanfire was/is a very immature love. I mean, we’ve all seen the way Emma reverts back to her 17 year old self around him haven’t we? And when she talks about him? To me their relationship is just waaaay unhealthy.
Emma has never allowed herself to just put her walls down and believe that people love her.
I do believe Neal loved her. But I agree with what you said there, you’re putting me in mind of when Neal said he had to leave her and go to Canada and she was like “why?” in a very cynical tone. And to stop him from leaving her (both times by the way!) she told him she loved him – how is that relationship in ANY way healthy? That’s what I want to know. Those are NOT circumstances under which you should have to express your love.
He gets nothing out of saving Henry, he gets nothing out of saving her dad from the DreamShade (I’m assuming he will have something to do with that), and he has shown her that he cared for Neal.
See, i’m kind of in two minds about this. I do believe that he wants to change for the better and become a hero – and that’s what is character arc is about this season – but I also believe he has ulterior motives in some ways because he is doing this for her so that she might come to return his feelings. He’s fighting for her, fighting to prove that he’s good enough for her, fighting to win her approval. And that’s a good thing. Emma needs someone who thinks she’s amazing enough that they would do that for her.
Hook is the first person who has loved Emma simply because of who she is, not because he is related to her or because he has some dysfunctional reason to need her. I think they learn a lot from each other and make each other better people.
Yes. Completely agree. I saw a gifset a while ago comparing Hook telling Emma that she was an orphan and still wanting to be with her to Neal saying “if I knew who you were, I wouldn’t have gone near you”. And yes, they do learn a lot from each other AND make each other better people. Definitely. I know that others say that what Neal did – leaving Emma – was a huge self sacrifice but to be honest I say that’s rubbish. It was to get Emma home but it was also to avoid his father. But the way he did it was just so unbelievably selfish – he must have known about her abandonment issues, and to leave her with no closure, well that’s cowardly in the extreme end of the spectrum.
Yes, I mean the map in the cave. I’m thinking of the whole concept of the phoenix. That it rises from the ashes. It died at one time (like SF) and then it rises again stronger than before from the ashes of a palm tree (the name Tamara means palm or date tree). Maybe this means something, although I hope it didn’t.
I highly doubt it’s a coincidence that these things are connected.
But no, I definitely don’t think their relationship is going to rise from the ashes of Tamara. If anything Tamara is just one more thing to add to the list of things Emma should be angry at Neal about.
0% worried 🙂 honestly. There are waaaaay too many other things going in our favour for me to believe that – based on actual, you know, scenes from the show, rather than relying on names and what they mean 🙂
Speaking of, everyone should read this meta: http://ladyhacksaway.tumblr.com/post/64499208331/you-really-truly-believe-captain-swan-will-be-end-game
But seriously, ever since they met up again in Manhattan their scenes together have been nothing much other than a sequence of confusing, angry and emotionally fraught conversations, with a friendly one thrown into the mix (where he tells her he always finds what she’s looking for – although interestingly she didn’t find him when she wanted to). Even cursed Snowing did better than that!
And your right with that. That’s what I think too. But Emma clearly felt she loved him. She waited two years for him in Tallahassee AFTER he did all that to her. She must’ve loved him at this point or she wouldn’t have done that IMO. But you could have a point by saying that they found someone they could survive with. This feeling may have lead Emma to thinking she “loved” Neal. I have a feeling that deep down she still feels like Neal is kind of her “home”.
Yep she waited for two years – but she GAVE UP, and that’s what’s important here. She gave up on him, on their dream of Tallahassee. And in their conversation on the beach, she told him he had “found Tallahassee with someone else”. And he HAD – Neal had moved on with Tamara and was genuinely in love with her. Tallahassee has effectively been COMPLETELY SEVERED as a possible home for them. I have a hard time believing that Emma would consider Tallahassee her home when she spent two heartbroken years of her life waiting for him there and hearing nothing.
@obisgirl – LOVE that video. 🙂Keeper of Captain Swan's first kiss
And that’s why he’ll take a moment to see if he could cope with doing this again. But of course like I said after that short while he’ll fight for Emma. Let her know he likes her a lot and ultimately – as you said, Eala – let her chose.
Yeah this could happen. As we can see from the picture they’re both pretty OVERWHELMED with their feelings for each other. So yeah, he could totally decide to take a while to figure it all out 🙂
Your theory about the HO in SB and them separating Killian and Emma – I can totally imagine that! Though it would be sad to see Emma hurt again – because she would be if Killian “leaves” her, too. Maybe someone threatens Killian like: “If you don’t go and do that and that, I’ll hurt Emma.” or something like that.
I don’t think she would be hurt for long, because somehow she’ll find out that he didn’t leave her voluntarily. And then they’ll be fighting to find each other – which i believe would be SO FITTING since it would be the very first time that Emma is looking for someone while they are simultaneously looking for her.
It’s just a theory though, and it could totally change within the next few episodes. But I DEFINITELY believe that they will be separated at some stage. They have been paralleled so extensively to Snowing that I couldn’t see it not happening.
Thank you so much for posting the pic again. Feels. If this is AFTER the kiss then all my doubts are gone. Because THAT is LOVE and nothing else.
No doubts my dear, i promise you, they’re going to be endgame 😉
*Dreamy sigh* yes. Well it’s definitely not at the start of the kiss because we saw the promo. So it has to be between kisses (eeeeeeek more than one) or at the end. And if it is at the end of the kiss this picture means that Emma’s walls aren’t slamming up straight away (which I actually expected to happen). I WILL DIE WHEN I SEE THIS KISS my god I actually think I will
What do you all think about the Phoenix-theory the SFers are discussing? It sounds plausible but we don’t know if it really shows the phoenix in the stars, so … ?!
I’m not familiar with this theory. Do you mean the map in the cave? Well maybe it is a phoenix-map or maybe it’s not, but it doesn’t really mean anything because it was before Neal met Emma, and even if it’s some form of foreshadowing the only think that really connects Emma and Neal to Phoenix is their son. I don’t buy this whole phoenix symbolism thing the SF shippers love, because Phoenix was where
1) Emma was sent to jail as a direct result of Neal’s choices and
2) Where she subsequently gave up their son
So to me the whole phoenix thing has negative connotations and I don’t get the romance. But to each their own! *shrugs*
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@moraha, @rumplegoldfan, I used to think exactly what you do, that Killian would step back for a while and allow Neal and Emma to try to work things out. But I honestly no longer think that’s what’s going to happen.
While Neal and Emma did have a relationship and a child together Neal monumentally messed up with her, and it was over a long time ago, as Emma herself said. Killian has surmised most of this i’m sure – he knows that she still loves Neal but he also knows that Neal hurt Emma very badly, so badly that she couldn’t trust her own instincts about Killian on top of the beanstalk.
Killian values choice. He didn’t ask Milah to leave her family and go with him – she chose to. He waited for Emma to make the first move on top of the beanstalk – because he knew she was wary of him and that she would have to decide for herself. He told her that the next time she didn’t need to wonder about if she could make a move on him again because he was open to whatever she would decide – “next time don’t stand on ceremony”.
And yes, we are probably going to see Neal attack Killian – “you’re destroying/stealing my family again!” but the truth is that Neal, Emma and Henry were NEVER a family. Never. And that was Neal’s own fault. So Killian is not destroying anything.
Milah is not anyone’s possession but her own – it’s impossible to steal her. She isn’t an object that can be traded back and forth. In my opinion it wasn’t Killian’s fault whatsoever. And Killian is not responsible for Neal’s happiness – Neal is.
Killian undoubtedly feels awful for having feelings for Emma, because of Milah and Bae, but at the end of the day he will respect her choice. He sees her as his happy ending. He’s not just going to sail off into the sunset and allow Swanfire to be together, because that would be taking away Emma’s choice in the matter, and that would be out of character for him.
Also IMO it would be out of character for Emma to be so indecisive that she would go back to Neal before deciding “oh no wait, Hook!” or vice versa. Now, I also believe that this “choice” will be on her mind a lot, especially when they finally #SaveHenry (lol). But we also have to keep in mind that this is Once – most of the time there’s so much action going on that nobody can take a breather, never mind that Emma will be able to ponder her choice between them at her leisure. She will be well aware that there are two men vying for her affections. But there’ll be too much going on.
Here’s where I enter with some theories. Feel free to ignore them. IMO Pan has been very obviously targeting Emma, and he clearly wants something from her. He wants her to feel isolated and alone, and so far it’s been working. Pan has them all “where he wants them”. Ugh that kid is creepy. Anyway. I think that Killian would be a detriment to his plan to keep Emma isolated and alone, because she is developing strong feelings for him. So when they get back to SB that’s where the real action and the main part of this PP arc will take place there. We also have to keep in mind that the Home Office is still in the real world, and somehow, through them, Emma and Killian will be separated. Either in the second part of season 3 or in season 4. IMO it would be the ultimate Snowing parallel and so would make sense to me – because they will be fighting to find each other. Also, how best for PP to make Emma feel more alone than to re-enact her abandonment… Emma’s ultimate insecurity. Somehow Emma will find out that Killian leaving wasn’t voluntary, and it is this separation which will force Emma to face the fact that she LOVES Killian and thus Neal will eventually realise the same thing. I think it would be the best way for Neal to learn that Emma loves Killian.
Okay, sorry about that. Theory rambling over!
Wow, I’m just now rewatching 3×04 and I had to post again. I only just now noticed how Killian looked at Emma when she was telling Regina that she learned to never break in somewhere without knowing a way out from Neal. Charming talked to him already but his glance lingered on Emma longer as if he wanted to check shes ok. As if he wanted to read her reaction to admitting that. He puts her first everything else. He looks out for her. Wow, one look and I’m dying with feels again. *crying*
I KNOW, EVERYDAY I’M CRYING WITH THESE TWO PEOPLE and how they are perfect for each other and the massive feels they give me!!!!
*need to get a life*
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Thought it was interesting. Since you know, Emma is not ACTIVELY trying to prevent anything. I’m sure that others will try to twist this somehow to suit them. But it doesn’t change facts – Emma is not CONCIOUSLY trying to block Neal.
Yep, just another clue on top of the whole pile we already have that SF is not TL.
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Oh god I just saw those stills and i’m in soooo much (good) pain….
I mean, we’re getting a Snowing kiss – and we haven’t seen a kiss between them in NL yet – and it looks like it’s at the BEGINNING of the episode.
And Captain Swan are probably going to kiss at the END of the episode
I’m just a huge morass of feels right now and I can’t
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