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That said, I was a little struck by how much more of young Bae SHOULD have learned from HIS past and not project that on to others, especially since he himself did not like having choices taken away from him. This is a HUGE thing because we saw him tell Rumple that he WOULD have gone home with him if he had just asked if that’s what he wanted. All he wanted was to be given CHOICES and he would choose family every time. It was HEARTBREAKING. But…then I remember all the times that he didn’t give Emma a choice.
YESSSSSS. Bae SHOULD have learned from his past. The writers WANTED to show us this. They WANTED to show us how different Neal and Baelfire are. They are like two different people. They’re doing that for a reason. And it’s so funny, because Henry reminds me more and more of Baelfire, and Neal reminds me more and more of Rumple.
And as we’ve been saying, Killian is allowing Emma to make the choices all the time, choice is a Captain Swan theme. Killian WOULD NEVER take away Emma’s choice. Never. And that is one of the main differences between them.
I feel like time and time again we see Neal being hypocritical which I think is one of the main things that bugged me and you pointed out one in particular that I was thinking of: that he is focused on his 2nd chance with Emma after doing so many hurtful things that would surely have broken trust on a massive scale, but then couldn’t give the same to Rumple.
Yes, I totally agree, Neal is a hypocrite of the highest order. I said it before in the CSF thread that he’s always ragging on his father for doing bad things, but Neal too has done bad things, unnecessary things that also lead to pain (stealing 20k in watches, sending Emma to prison) and while Neal did not kill people, the things he did were still morally wrong.
I’ve seen so many people say that scene made SF 100% endgame after Emma’s speech that I want to scream.
OMG are you serious? You can’t be serious. They’re implying that this scene is romantic? I don’t know if I want to rage or if I want to “lol” because omg, we’re clearly not watching the same show. So basically the ONLY THING they took out of Emma’s speech was the fact that she still loved Neal (interestingly, not that she was still IN love with him).
How about her first line. She said she was P*SSED. I mean seriously, they should listen to her dialogue. Emma doesn’t talk about her feelings much, so when she says she’s p*ssed, she’s got a *stuff*storm of anger going on inside her. The fact that she says “I lost him years ago” is huge. She said it’s “too late”. At that point, she’s thinking that even though he had actually loved her, at the same time she’s wondering “how could he have done that to me if he loved me?”
I mean, looking at it from an objective standpoint, eleven years of pain, loss, abandonment, and trust issues is a huge roadblock for any relationship and saying sorry just doesn’t make it disappear overnight. What he did to her crippled Emma’s ability to let people into her heart. Emma needs to ask herself if she can trust Neal again (probably not), and will he ever stand by her and be her supporter and equal (nope, he makes her choices for her). (Sidenote: We’ve seen that Killian makes an excellent supporter of Emma and that they make a fantastic team.) THIS is why Neal is the obstacle to Captain Swan AND to Swanfire. If Swanfire were truly endgame, then they have enough problems and obstacles to sort out before adding Killian Jones into the mix.
I really really hate that people think she’s going to kiss Hook for comfort or to say thank you or to block out her feelings for Neal. He knows they’re there. He’s been the one taking care of her! They’ve mentioned Neal a TON. But that doesn’t stop them from being drawn to one another. Emma saying she lost Neal a long time ago was extremely important. She still had her walls WAY up on the beanstalk and punished Hook for Neal-esque mistakes that he didn’t even make, but that’s because her past was affecting her judgement.
Really, I lol’d so hard when I read that. *shakes head* the delusion is rampant. Comfort? Really? Okay, clearly they missed the little smile she gave him before she kissed him, no wait, attacked him. As a thank you? Really? So you follow someone and grasp someone by their collar and give them the most amazing passionate kiss ever as a thank you? Hm, so that’s how people are saying thank you these days. I must remember that.
The truth is she has clearly been supressing her feelings for Killian ever since 2×06. Sometimes (a lot of the time actually) they came out in their scenes together. Every scene of Captain Swan has been meaningful to some degree. When Captain Swan are married with three kids people will still be saying they’re a brOTP. We can’t win lol.
And here’s this captain who she’s been drawn to from the start who is doing all the right things so of course it’s getting to her. And it’s NOT a fling and it’s NOT a rebound.
It’s most definitely NOT a rebound. JMo has basically said that Emma is drawn to both Killian AND Neal, and that her feelings for both are “confusing and complicated”. Now, Emma loves Neal, cares for him deeply. If she was IN LOVE Neal would win easily, especially if it was the True kind. But she isn’t – JMo has basically told us that she cares EQUALLY as much for Killian, or there would be no competition. But the minute Emma realises that she is IN LOVE with Killian, the triangle will be over – it will tip the balance.
The triangle for me boils down to Emma’s choice between the past and the future, duty and desire, first love and true love.
Hook won’t stay away from Emma just because Charming told him to. Nor will Emma suddenly stop being drawn to the pirate just because Neal came back into her life which brought up a lot of old PAINFUL feelings. Nor will it stop it just because people around her think it hasn’t been long enough since Neal “died” or that Hook isn’t good enough for her in some way. Emma has and will always be drawn to Hook. That’s how they interact. Tonight she was so not subtle about how good of a team they are and how they rely on each other. She didn’t even have to turn around to ask him something because she knew he’d be there and have answers for her. When Tink asked about an escape plan, Emma immediately turned to Hook expectantly, like he would have already made the plan and she trusted his judgment. When she found out it didn’t exist yet, she followed his lead to the viney rock in the middle of the jungle. Even when she questions things at first, she still backs him up just like he does for her!
^^^^^^ 100% this.
I’m so happy that Emma’s and Hooks are mirroring each other on the “what they set up in PRESENT day” thing! SO EXCITING!
It really is, i’m in a pathetic whimpering mess just thinking about it!
Next week is going to be amazingly fantastic for us in every way. It looks like they’ll be paralleling Tallahassee like mad, and all to put Killian in a good light. I’m loving how in the promo he was grinning cheekily after she said “is that supposed to be a joke?” when they were flirting in the cave, it was soooo funny. I mean, I’ve loved Killian in the last few episodes but it’s great to see him letting his happy out again, because he’s only ever like that with Emma. Emma is the only one who sees his lighter side.
I have a feeling we’ll be seeing Captain Innuendo back next week and I cannot wait!!!!!!! I have a feeling Emma follows him into the jungle or something, he says something innuendo-y, he has this BIG 12 YEAR OLD GRIN ON HIS FACE (THE ADORABLE LIFE-RUINER), and she gives a half smile and kisses him.
I am.
A whimpering.
Mess.
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LOLOLOL! THE DOCTOR AND GOOD FORM parallel!!!!!!! Just saw this on tumblr:
2×05: “You’ve bested me. I can count the amount of people who’ve done that on one hand.”
“Is that supposed to be funny?”
3×05: Need a hand love?
Is that supposed to be a joke?
/wheezing here
/we are canon
/our otp is perfect in every way
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@MysteryKat – agree with everything!!!! 🙂
@swanning-off – couldn’t agree more! LolWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW. What a fantastic episode!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve just done my second rewatch and several things have occurred to me.
First off my thoughts on Neal. I completely recant my thoughts on the Neal being a coward thing with regards to Emma for 3×04 because holy heck he impressed me this week!!!!!! He really did.
HOWEVER I cannot help but feel that he is definitely going dark. Doing what needs to be done. Tricking Rumple and PP with magic, prepared to do whatever he needs to, with the best intentions to save his family. SERIOUS Rumple parallel. Also, HUGELY interesting, that Neal wouldn’t give Rumple a “second” chance, even though he desperately wants one with Emma. AND he walked away with Henry and reuniting the Stilskins and didn’t give Rumple a choice. Interesting wouldn’t you say, ESPECIALLY due to the Bae flashback with Bae wanting to be asked to come home. He wanted the choice.
Also VERY interested to find out the backstory to Bae and PP, because it seems as though present day Neal is using a villains techniques (and has taught them to Emma). But yeah, I really see it again as a giant flag of doom for him going down the dark path. He’s using techniques to get his way taught to him by the worst villain ever.
Also, it’s interesting to see Neal deny so many times that he is Baelfire. It’s like he wants to wash Baelfire away, even though he was the best version of him. Probably his character arc this season will be to go back to Baelfire, his (hopefully) true self.
I don’t want Neal to go dark, I would prefer him to have some real growth as a character and not repeat his fathers mistakes. But I don’t know. There’s been a lot of foreshadowing IMO.
Now, on to Emma and Killian:
Can I just say FINALLY. FINALLY we have an outpouring of her grief. She said everything we had already guessed about her – that Neal had broke her and that she had spent the last decade thinking she was unlovable. And then when she finally found out that she WAS loved by Neal that it was “too late” (remember this “too late” theme that has been in every episode so far this season?). And it’s obvious that she’s FURIOUS about it, because he gave her absolutely no closure and she has had to wall off that hurt for so long to stop it from completely destroying her and she’s realising her being broken was because of the choice Neal made. She’s finally starting coming to terms with it, in NL where you confront your true self, and that’s what she needs to do in order to move on. And it’s so interesting, because despite the fact that she’s so angry and pissed at Neal and that she still loves him, it doesn’t stop her from kissing Killian in a kiss hotter than ANY kiss we’ve seen between Han and Leia.
Thought it was very interesting that the writers had Killian refer to Neal as Emma’s “partner in crime”. i.e. they don’t bring out the best in each other.
We knew that this week was going to be less CS due to the Rumple and Neal thing, and i’m very happy with what we got. Emma has made huge strides this week. And it is those strides that will allow her to move on and choose Killian. I’m not worried at all that she said she loved Neal. Not one whit. We knew she did – he was her first love and they’ll always have a place with you. And it’s clear that Emma won’t easily forgive Neal for everything he did to her, never mind have a romantic relationship with him again. But yeah. Woo! Viva la Captain Swan.
Thoughts on the promo:
So yes i’m still babbling a bit about the promo (eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee) so excuse me if my thoughts aren’t coherent. LOVE Killians dorky hair lololol! Hilarious. So anyway next week we’re going to learn why Emma and Killian have such a strong connection, one that was sparked in 2×05 and in Tallahassee with Emma’s backstory and that WILL COME FULL CIRCLE in the form of a kiss with Killian’s backstory in 3×05. This was done deliberately guys. Deliberately.
Also loved the fact that Charming clearly sees Killian as a threat. It’s such a contrast to last season where Charming wasn’t really protective of Emma around Neal, despite knowing that he had severely hurt her at one stage, and didn’t once confront him directly, trusting that Emma could handle him. Charming and Killian are very much alike – the fact that he is confronting Killian about his daughter SPEAKS VOLUMES to me.
On that note it’ll be so interesting to see what Killian says in response to Charming. Because it’ll be significant moving forward. SIGNIFICANT. Killian won’t back down. And it’ll make for an interesting parallel with a person who left Emma alone because he was told to by a third party *winkwink*
BUT YES THE KISS I CAN’T EVEN DEAL WITH IT THEY’RE REALLY GOING AT IT WITH EACH OTHER AND WALLS ARE DOWN AND EMMA JUST GOES FOR IT AND IT’S SO REAL AND IF YOU DON’T THINK IT’S SIGNIFICANT I CAN’T HELP YOU BECAUSE I AM DYING
Now i’m going back to fanning myself because HOLY MOLY that kiss is hot.
EDIT: Forgot to mention, I think it’s fairly obvious by now that as we speculated Pan ALLOWED Neal to leave NL. And from that we can surmise that he manipulated Emma and Neal into being together. (whispers: not True Love)
EDIT NO.2: Forgot to talk about the scene between Killian and Charming, and about how heartbroken Killian was remembering that he never got to say goodbye to Milah or tell her that he loved her, and it’s KILLING him that Charming won’t tell his family *sobs*
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Ah I see… You might as well just watch it in that case! You don’t even have to tell your boyfriend…. 🙂 What’s going to happen next week??? CS’s most pivotal episode so far??? You’re not going to see it all until Thursday??
My. Worst. Nightmare.
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Omg, everyone should read this:
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Captain Eala wrote: Also – did you see that Adam and Eddy called Emma “Princess Leia” in a recent interview??? (presumably at NYCC since she’s in the same outfit I think). Sooooooooooooo. Emma is Princess Leia and Hook “Han Solo’d” back eh?
I did see that. And you all know what happened to Han and Leia? They got married!
AND HAD THREE KIDS! Lol! If this doesn’t prove that A&E are CS shippers I don’t know what does 😉
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@polythenepam – hello! Nice to “meet” you! 🙂
@obisgirl – yes I remembered, and also wondering if they’re going to show possible footage of the kiss scene in the promo tonight. Maybe not the kiss itself but the moment leading up to it haha. It would make sense.Also – did you see that Adam and Eddy called Emma “Princess Leia” in a recent interview??? (presumably at NYCC since she’s in the same outfit I think).
Sooooooooooooo. Emma is Princess Leia and Hook “Han Solo’d” back eh? 😉
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Good morning everyone, happy Once day! I’m in such a good mood right now, I logged on to tumblr and saw not one BUT TWO former SF shippers joining the ranks of CS 🙂 it’s a good day lol.
@RG – SO SORRY about the spoilers. I’m awful.
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I’m not entirely convinced about the rest until we see it within the episode. He IS trying to get to Emma but he met up with Rumple along the way, had to have a moment to react to that and talk with him, and told him there was a way to save Henry (which is where Emma would be headed) that didn’t involve Rumple having to die. Just because he hasn’t waved and said “cya later, gotta find Emma”, doesn’t mean that he’s not trying to get to her. His priority SHOULD be to find Henry and logically, since he assumes that’s why Emma is in NL which is right, he should be moving toward accomplishing that. We don’t yet know what the spearing of the creepy water creature has to do with anything, but presumably it is to HELP get to where HENRY is which is of the utmost importance. It’s actually refreshing to see him working toward keeping his father alive while actively trying to save Henry. Plus, he has to know that’s where Emma will end up too. HENRY is the priority here and it looks like he knows that.
@MysteryKat – Oh yes I agree with you that his priority should be Henry and it’s great that he’s hanging out with Papastilskin. Obviously haven’t seen the episode yet and don’t know all the circumstances, but i’m going to respectfully disagree with you for now that Neal is trying to find Emma while still hanging with Rumple. We KNOW it’s Rumple’s intention to stay separate from the group. And yes, he is presumably trying to do something with Rumple to help find Henry – but the difference is he’s helping Rumple, not Emma, which is what we’re seeing Killian do all the time. Neal should be focussing on finding Henry obviously rather than romance (even though he’s been very focussed on getting a second chance with Emma) but he should be doing it alongside Emma, like Killian is. But to me he is obviously taking some time to ready himself for that meeting, because despite the fact that he said leaving Emma and not telling her he loved her was the greatest regret of his life, IT’S STILL NOT ENOUGH to overcome his fear at the moment. Even though the circumstances are dire and Emma believes he is dead. To me, again, that’s “actions speaking louder than words” and Neal’s actions are doing a lot of talking. I may revise my opinion by the end of 3×04 knowing all the circumstances.
Seeing the others who have lost their true loves, or thought they would have to learn to exist in a world where the other was alive but not theirs, they spiraled. They COULD NOT HANDLE IT. It’s bad enough to know they’re dead (look at Regina) but to know they exist in the world and aren’t with you? Is unthinkable. Yet BOTH Emma and Neal have had instances where we’ve been shown that they COULD and DID move on, knowing the other one was out there somewhere. That’s been set up for a reason, especially when these are writers that focus on TL and have made a point of showing us what it can make you do when you lose it and then show us that these guys? Aren’t reacting that way.
@MysteryKat – I could not agree any more with what you said. We saw Regina spiral. We saw Killian spiral. And also we saw Snow spiral. When Snow told Charming that she didn’t love him she felt she had destroyed her chance with him. She didn’t spiral in an evil way but she did resort to using magic in order to forget her pain. We saw Alice from OUATIW spiral when she thought Cyrus was dead.
While I’m sure that Emma is grieving for Neal on the inside SHE IS KISSING KILLIAN, and passionately at that. I mean, i just feel like we’ve been shown time and again that Swanfire defy every rule that Adam and Eddy have laid out for what true love is.I feel Neal is still emotionally stinted and Hook is more of the adult in that respect. Neal still has a side of selfishness in him, whether it is intentional or not. He can be a bit impulsive and the latest example of that is when he nearly sacrifices Roland’s safety to get to Emma and Henry in NL. That scene bothered me on so many levels.
@JasmineGirl – yeah me too. And he’s four years old – toddlers repeat EVERYTHING, especially when those words bring magical flying shadows. Methinks RH and Roland will be arriving in Neverland in 3×04.
So now that my kissing headcanon is going to be fulfilled, i’m outlining what I think is going to happen for the rest of the season and possibly season 4. It’ll probably change as we move through though.I believe Emma will put off her choice when Neal comes back into the picture. She won’t go back to one guy only to run back to the other. If Emma chooses Neal (not going to happen) then Killian is not her True Love. If Emma chooses Killian then Neal is not her True Love. It’s pretty cut and dried to me. True Love conquers all and all that. It just doesn’t make sense that if Neal was her True Love that she would be at all conflicted about it, there would be no “triangle”. Look at Rumple and Belle. Despite everything Rumple has done, Belle still forgives him and stays with him. She can’t help herself.
Also of course Emma has not yet fallen in love with Killian, and that’s what will make her so confused.
I believe that Killian will be pivotal to saving Henry in 3×09, which could arguably be backed up by the fact that Christine Boylan is writing it.
In 3×11 they’ll all return to SB (hopefully in a flying JR suspended by Tinkerbells pixie dust), but of course, *stuff* will hit the fan. We’re going to be left with a cliff hanger of some sort (one that will possibly involve Emma and Killian).
3×12-3×22 will be all action. Emma won’t have time to think about who she is going to choose, because stuff will be hitting the fan.In 3×22 (or possibly 3×11 but I think 3×22 is more likely) Killian will tell Emma that he loves her (and thus mirroring 3×01 with the “fancy you” line) and they will be separated somehow. Don’t ask me how lol. But then season 4 will be all about Killian and Emma finding each other. Interestingly this would be the first and only time that Emma is trying to find someone who is also, AT THE SAME TIME, trying to find her. Very fitting wouldn’t you think? Also during this time Emma will be showing Neal through her actions rather than her words that she is choosing Killian and he will slowly come to accept it.
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You know MysteryKat you just struck something in me with your thoughts on the promos! And that is: that Neal is hanging out with Rumple in the promo for 3×04. What’s up with that? He was all “I need to get back to Emma” “I need to tell her I love her” “I need my second chance”. And now it honestly looks like he ISN’T dying to get back to her.
Why is that I wonder?
The coward thing. He’s being a coward again. That’s the only conclusion I can make. Rumple hasn’t chained Neal to his side – Neal is actively NOT looking for Emma. And from the looks of things, he won’t attempt to find Emma until after 3×05.
That triangle analysis isn’t mine haha, but i’m glad you all appreciated it, because I most certainly did. The similarities are too close to ignore for me. But even if this theory wasn’t out there I wouldn’t believe that a triangle is going to happen anyway because it is completely out of character for Emma to flit between them. She is a strong woman, she will make her decision when she isn’t under the emotional duress of attempting to #SaveHenry (lol ABC have totally got that in my head). And she will stick to her decision. Neal is the obstacle to Captain Swan, it has been said a million times but I feel the need to reiterate it as we get closer to the episode when Neal will return (inevitable some people will be nervous haha).
Neal was introduced as an obstacle to Captain Swan. Neal has consistently continued to be an obstacle to Captain Swan. Every time Neal is mentioned by the writers it is in relation to Captain Swan. Now, if you think about it, who is the obstacle to Swanfire? Not Hook. It’s Neal himself. And that’s not going to change. As I said above, Neal is retaining his old behaviour in running away from his problems, despite it being “the greatest regret of his life”. That’s not True Love.
This season has been so great for us, and will continue to be great. We have been told we’re getting a “first kiss” indicating that more will follow. And as I believe Neal will find the JR5 in 3×06, well that says it all really. Emma will be kissing Killian after Neal comes back into the picture. Neal will be a minor(major!) hiccup to CS from 3×06 until Emma makes her decision, but always remember that he is the obstacle that must be overcome in order for Captain Swan to happen.
Now, pictures!!!
Honestly I can’t decide which is my favourite. *stares mesmerised for 2 whole minutes*
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