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kiwiParticipant
It was odd. There were many episodes which felt like they didn’t really connect to main overall plot. They were interesting, just not relevant to the main characters. And when they did appear it was briefly. The Whales brother one was a classic example. It didn’t have much main plot connection, and it was tenuous at best to everything else. Same with Tiny – interesting but not really worth a whole episode. I reckon you could probably carve out about 1/3 of the episodes, pick the few main points from those dumped and the main plot would still be ok – just seemed like a lot of padding. People lost interest I guess. I wonder if 22 episodes it stretching the story too thin? I realize network tv needs content, but I wonder if the quality suffers because of it.
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kiwiParticipantI suppose Rumple and Regina can teach her how to use her magic too. I wish they’d explore the whole magic thing more. I think Pan snatching henry was not a good idea, considering who his mothers are. And his grandfather. HAHA!
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kiwiParticipantDo you suppose Rumple and Regina will have magic in Neverland? Neverland has magic right? (and Emma too I guess).
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kiwiParticipant@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think a few things will help:
1) refocusing on the regulars : which A and E have said is what they want to do for S3
2) This is up to ABC but they’ve got to sort out the hiatus situation. Last year, nothing could hurt ONCE. And they assumed the same would be true this year but the story was vastly more complicated and casual viewers stopped tuning in. I want 11 episodes all in a row leading up to the winter break, then a three month break for ONCE:WL and the Olympics then come back in March and give us 11 straight episodes until the finale. I think that will help
3) They need to promote the DVDs like crazy. Netflix will help. People can get caught up.
Number 1 is good to hear. It seems we would go whole episodes with barely and Regina or Rumple. And too much focus on all these secondary characters. Plus, the main characters were always apart and never interacting. They were all off doing different things. Now they are united hopefully we get lots of good relationship development – Rumple, Regina, The Charmings, Emma. I feel they’ve avoided a lot of the intense relationship “family” stuff in exchange for cheap monster of the week plot lines – more like season one please! That whole Regina being the adoptive mother & Emma the birth mother relationship, Snow/Charming and Emma their daughter, and Rumple being family was all good stuff – we need more. And yeah, the constant breaks were a disaster.
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kiwiParticipantHmmm. I’ve wondered quite a bit about this. I get the Swan Queen thing (I don’t ship it, but I totally see what SQ shippers are saying) – they share a kid, both strong personas, their lives parallel, Regina believes love is weakness and Emma love is strength, and the heart thing, and their bizarre parallel lives and similarities to snowing. Plus, something which someone else mentioned (which I hadn’t even thought about), it’d be pretty epic to have the evil queen fall for the child of her greatest enemy right?. But then, the whole two women thing? Don’t know if they’d go there. I’m also a little suspicious – can’t help but feel if Snows kid had been a son, and was played by some pretty boy heart throb, people wouldn’t mind it so much. Although ABC are pretty progressive by all accounts. But I dunno. Hook and Regina? I find Hook creepy, but they had pretty good screen presence together – but the torture thing, plus him helping Cora break her will be hard to get past. Regina and Neal? I actually like MRJ, so wouldn’t mind ThiefQueen (is that what it’s called?) but can’t see how that will happen. Robin Hood seemed cool, but his true love is Marion right? Maybe Regina will meet someone in Neverland perhaps? I’d probably like a brand new character – I think all the current ones come with too much baggage tbh.
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kiwiParticipantI certainly hope they do something to arrest the ratings slide. They have been bad all season, and getting worse. I know its not freak out time yet, but I was just perusing articles re the finale – down 33% on last years finale. And every episode seemed to be a new series low. Ouch. Man, it’s not looking good. They can absorb a hit this season, but I don’t think it could take similar declines next season. They really better knock it out of the park – at least stabilize the ratings. It’s amazing how network shows are being caned by cable shows though – Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, etc. ugh. What happened? I love OUAT, but this season was a mess. Confusing and all over the place. They should have stuck with the formula from season one – lots of focus on the main core characters, and lots of Rumple/Regina and Emma/Regina.
For whatever reason that just seemed to work – I know I missed seeing those three together much this season. They kept them sepaerated too much. Now they are BFF’s (well, sort of LOL) hopefully we will see all their relationships develop more – instead of silly screaming matches. They are family now, so hopefully lots of angsty stuff – Regina/Snow, Emma/Regina, Emma/Charming. And please more Emma & Regina – they are more powerful together than when fighting each other. I would not want to be Peter Pan right now – Henry’s moms are the Evil Queen and the Saviour. And we know how feisty they both are – He couldn’t have picked two worse people to tick off right? He wont know what hit him when they combine to kick his butt – well, i hope so anyway. Haha. Plus, I’m over them all hating on each other – 2 seasons of that was quite enough. They are sort of like the power rangers now or the A Team! 😆
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kiwiParticipantNeal- I don’t agree with the fact that, just because he was Emma’s first love and she had a child by him, that Emma has to end up with him.
That’s a fair point. I also found there reunion interesting. When she exposed her feelings to him about her anguish at what happened, he laughed at her. I was not cool with that. I know the show is fantasy, and fate and all, but I feel like Emma has never really had much control. And the scenes with August and Neal orchestrating her life was really annoying. I know it was all for the greater good – but how could he do that to her? How do forgive someone for what he did?
Hook- Emma and Hook can relate but building a relationship on mutual negative experiences isn’t exactly healthy. Not to mention that Hook has flirted with Emma’s own mother, as well as every other female that crosses his path (except Belle who he’s violent towards). Hook is a womaniser and a pirate, he doesn’t like to be tied down for too long, he has a reputation from being Captain Hook in Peter Pan and Emma couldn’t trust him at the top of the beanstalk despite the fact that, at the time, Hook had been on Team Emma rather than Cora.
I have to admit, the whole way the writers have handled and framed Hooks character has been extremely dissapointing. When Hook was announced, I was over the moon – he was one of my all time favourite characters. I had visions of a Patrick Stewert, Ian McKellen or Brian Blessed older type actor playing him to be honest, someone with alot of gravitas and presence. But Colin seems quite pleasant, and easy on the eye 😛 , so I had no issues. But to see what they’ve done with him – I’ve been horrified. I have to agree with the comments of Jeremy on the podcast – they’ve made Hook seem like a real pervert, a creep. And I don’t understand why. I get the swashbucking, womanising thing. OK. But the constant sexual innuendo and references to his genitalia? The borderline rape jokes? The abuse and sexual objectification of women for control? Why are the OUAT writers going there? It just seems a bit much for a “family show”. I don’t care if he is a pirate, if a man behaved the way he does, he’d be arrested. I’m amazed that people are ok with it. It’s even seen as appealing. Really? Would you want someone like that with your daughter? Or around your child, or children? (Disclaimer: I don’t ship any characters on the show – it just leads to arguing. But my fav character was Sidney Glass, so I’m still crying he dissapeared lol 😥 )
Henry- Henry is going to be the main factor in Emma’s future relationships. She’s not going to want to put him in a position where he could end up getting hurt. Can Emma trust Hook with Henry? Would she happily leave Henry in Hook’s care? What about Neal? Now that she’s a mother, Emma has to consider Henry in any life changing decision such as starting a new relationship. What she wants may not be best for Henry.
I probably think it’ll come down to this. As we have seen in the latest episodes, Emma really has no clue how to be a mother. But she would have his best interests at the forefront. She has responsibilities now. Neal will always be the father, plus it’s complicated with the whole Regina being Henrys other mother situation as well, so whats best for him should be paramount. But part of me wonders that making mistakes and bad decisions is part of life too – so a new relationship that ends disasterously (with Neal or Hook) could happen on the show, right?
Personally, I don’t see either as any good for her. If they really must pair her off with someone, then I’d prefer it was a completely fresh character. Or barring that, why does she have to “end up” with anyone at all? Is that like a rule or something? Emma’s tough – please OUAT writers don’t make her ‘dependent’ on anyone, just for the sake of it.
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kiwiParticipant@baelish wrote:
@Kiwi wrote:
I was always rather fond of the idea that Neal might be Bae’s descendent. That makes the blood on the globe thing work too. But the idea that Emma just happened to stumble across him amongst all other people, have child with him, and then that child just happened to end up with Regina, is almost ludicrous to the point of absurdity. That’s not chance, that’s planning. And Im awfully suspicious about both Neal and August right now. Where is Mr Booth anyway? And I don’t care what magic widget in a box you’re showing me, you don’t abandon someone you supposedly love, never mind getting them sent to jail as well.
I think we still have to consider as well who gave the globe to Rumple in the first place – Cora. Can’t really trust her that’s for sure..
If Neal is Bae’s descendent, wouldn’t the globe also show Henry as well then?
Have there been any spoilers on where August is? I haven’t thought about what he’s been up to in a while but there might be something going on with him.
Yeah, she could have messed with it to get rid of Rumple. And their are spoilers related to why she would want him gone for a while.
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kiwiParticipant@BeastWhisperer wrote:
@Kiwi wrote:
So, I was thinking about Neal being Bae, as you do, and I suddenly realized something. Something that’s a little bit, ah, creepy.
If Neal is Bae, then that makes Rumple and Mihla Henrys grandparents, right? And it makes them Emma’s great grandparents? Or is it her aunt and uncle? I get confused with all this family tree stuff. Doesn’t really matter, they’re related.
I don’t see any way that Rumple or Milah would be related to Emma in that scenario. Are you assuming that Rumple is Regina’s father instead of Henry? That’s still only a theory rather than canon to the best of my knowledge. Is there some other connection that I’m missing?
Neal being Bae would still make Milah the grandmother of Henry though.
That’s what I wasn’t sure on. I think it makes Mihla Emma’s Aunt, not great grandmother, or is it? I’m not sure. I think its Aunt. And if Hook and Emma get together, he’ll have been with both Emma and Emma’s Aunt. Plus think about it. Neal and Emma were together and had a child, Henry, and then Neal’s mother was with Hook and now wants to be with Emma. Can you imagine Neal and Hook talking. “Oh, hey Neal. i used to date your mom, and now Im going to date Emma, who you had a child with.” That’s just creepy. Ewww.
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kiwiParticipantI was always rather fond of the idea that Neal might be Bae’s descendent. That makes the blood on the globe thing work too. But the idea that Emma just happened to stumble across him amongst all other people, have child with him, and then that child just happened to end up with Regina, is almost ludicrous to the point of absurdity. That’s not chance, that’s planning. And Im awfully suspicious about both Neal and August right now. Where is Mr Booth anyway? And I don’t care what magic widget in a box you’re showing me, you don’t abandon someone you supposedly love, never mind getting them sent to jail as well.
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