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@charming wrote:
Jefferson did not officially turn into the Mad Hatter until that very last scene where he is in the room with all of those hats. He had his marbles up until that point. It was his desperate attempts to recreate the hat to return that drove him mad.
That’s true. I guess I was thinking that Jefferson’s madness stems from the loss of his daughter and his desperate attempts to get back to her when he’s trapped in Wonderland, but I also think there are things in SB that serve to keep him mad. One of those things is seeing Grace happy and not being able to be with her.
[adrotate group="5"]I agree, Rumplegoldfan. I think I was just hoping for a lot more out of it. (Okay, I was secretly hoping they would get together, even though, I know that would have been a long shot)… 😳
Can I just say that some of my favorite forum lines are in this thread? 😛
Rumplegoldfan: “I mean he almost beat a man to death because he thought he stole her teacup . . .” (the ellipses really nailed it) 😆
Nonnie: “Come on, let her stew in her brew and lick her wounds a little!”
Rumplegoldfan: “and escorting her back to Rumple’s rather large estate to help her hit him upside the head with Nonnie’s pot” 😆
Rumplegoldfan: “You know how sometimes they call the UN-RATED, extended version of an R-rated movie’s DVD the ‘Director’s Cut Edition’??? Oh my – wouldn’t that be fabulous – the 60 minute un-rated, extended, director’s version of ROBERT CARLYLE in ‘Skin Deep'” 😀I think Rumpel wanting Ella’s baby may stem from a couple different sources. First, in the original story of Rumpelstiltskin, he asks the miller’s daughter for her firstborn child, but who knows what he intended to do with it. Stands to reason that whatever his plan was, he may have had a similar one for Ella’s child. Also, we know that Mr. Gold was the person who got Henry from the outside world to give to Regina, and that he presumably did that because he knew Emma was special. Maybe Ella’s child was special too, and he wanted to place it with someone in particular. Or, maybe he wanted to give it to someone powerful, who would later owe him a favor.
My other thought (and I didn’t actually think of this, I think I read it in a fanfic but I can’t remember which one), is that Rumpel asked for Belle because she was the most precious thing her father had. Maybe he approaches deals in two ways, either with a specific object in mind (like Snow White’s hair) or, if he doesn’t want anything specific, he just asks for the most precious thing the person has to offer.
Welcome, Snowrose! I love your avatar! 😀
And also, welcome to True Believer! It’s great to have you here 🙂
Hi, Obisgirl 🙂
I love the Snow White and Rose Red avatars you made! They’re really good (all your avatars are awesome) 🙂 Also, I was excited to see that you’re from Nova 😀 I live in Montgomery County, MD, so I’m in the DMV too 😀Hey Guys,
I’m from Washington, DC (I live in Southern Maryland, about 5 minutes north of the DC border). So, obisgirl, now there are four of us in the DMV! 😀I just heard and started liking “Payphone” by Maroon 5, and it has some Oncey lyrics in it, so I went on Youtube to see if there was fanvid using it. I only found 1, but it’s a really, really, really good one! I think it would be classified as a “whole cast” vid. This was made by TheBrokenLine89. Don’t know if he/she is on this forum, but if so, awesome video!
@Sam993 wrote:
Won’t lie. thought the Mad Hatter will be a redundant character because I thought Rumpelstilskin is quite mad himself and shows it too with his body language and crazy movement, and voice, but Sebastian Stan actually shows what being Mad really is. It’s not just the obviously characteristics (crazy mumbling, crazy voice, and crazy looks ), but it’s about devoting yourself to one idea, to one way, ignoring the rules that the world sets upon us, rejecting the feeling of isolation, and not being able to control your own self (case in point, the tempting movements towards Emma, the abundance of useless hats).
I love how you pointed out that there are different kinds of crazy, because I think that’s very true in the story and also in real life. Crazy isn’t one particular brand of thinking or delusion — it’s you and me intensified, turned up a notch too far. I think we’ve all gotten a little obsessed with an idea or a cause or a desire that’s pushed us right up to the edge, and I think Jefferson and Rumpelstiltskin have just gone a bit farther with that. And I think there are moments or events or people that have the power to snap us out of that, and if Emma is one of those people for Jefferson, then I think she could definitely bring him back from his edge.
Ironically, one thing that I really noticed when comparing Jefferson in SB and Jefferson in Wonderland, was that as dark as he was and as dangerous as he seemed to have gotten in SB, he didn’t seem as crazy as he did when they showed him in Wonderland. I think the difference might be that in Wonderland, his life was completely devoid of his daughter. He couldn’t see her. He had no idea what was happening to her — if she was safe, if she was happy. And that must have driven him crazy with worry, so that he was desperate — so that he would do anything to get back to her, just to see her again. But in SB, he actually could see her (even if he couldn’t interact with her). He could know that she was alright, and he could see that she was happy and well-cared for. I think that’s what actually settled his mind back in SB so that he could devote his energy to finding his way back to FTL — so that he could have method to his madness (as illustrated by his neat rows of identical hats and his orderly house) vs. just madness in Wonderland (as illustrated by the piles of mismatched hats thrown everywhere and the desperation in his eyes as he sewed them).
I also love that when Jefferson first takes Emma to his house, almost everything is shown first directly and then in reflection (Emma standing in front of the fireplace is reflected in the grand piano, Jefferson and Emma are reflected in the tea kettle, Emma waking up on the couch is reflected against the underside of the coffee table). Very “through the looking glass”. And I feel like it’s also showing us the way Jefferson sees the world — that there are other possibilities on the flip side of every surface and knowing that — knowing how close all those other possibilities are — must also make you a bit mad.
