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@EIreland wrote:
I have definitely thought about Ariel being in neverland for sure… ever since they brought up mermaids… but I hadn’t thought about the Pocahontas thing… but super true that there were Native Americans (I really don’t know the PC term… we say “first nations” here in Canada, don’t want to offend anyone, and Peter Pan was SUPER not PC in their old school terminology) in Peter Pan as well!
Good ideas!
I would love to see Pocahontas on OUAT no matter if is in Neverland o not xD…but i was theorizing this a long time ago it was driving me crazy so i need to said it out loud xD
@myril wrote:
@Lady of The Lake wrote:
Please click on this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_Underground and it says a German Fairy Tale not Greek… and also on that article says:
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground is a German fairy tale. Andrew Lang included it in The Violet Fairy Book.[1]
SynopsisA king had three sons and divided his property. The older two squandered theirs, but the youngest son was prudent, and became rich. He had an underground castle built, killed the architect, imprisoned his daughter there, and decreed that whoever could find her would marry her, but whoever tried and failed would die. Many did die.
and here is another link about that tale
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/054.htmWikipedia isn’t always right in every detail. The book I found the exact wording of the fairy tale in German in was first published in 1864 by Johann Georg von Hahn, who, besides being a diplomat for Prussia and later Austria in Athen, was a specialist in Albanian history and culture. He places the tale among other tales from the region of Epirus. The online version I linked to is based on an edition from 1918 though. The Violet Fairy Book by Andrew Lang was first published in 1901 – stating as “source” for this particular fairy tale nothing besides “from German” (and both links, Wikipedia and the other refer to Andrew Lang)
Of course fairy Tales can be found in variations in different countries, it’s often not easy to tell, where they might have originated. And sometimes different fairy tales sound very alike. But so far I haven’t found any fairy tale alike or close to “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” in any older German fairy tale anthology.
Sorry for being so scholarly here. Having a thing for such unimportant details.
Should stop no one to look for interesting tales that might give ideas for the background of the sunken palace / castle used as den. Of course not.
Ur right wikipedia not always is certain, we can’t be so sure where the Tale originally is from. Though both investigations are interestings no matter how scholarly can be 😀
@FairyCutie86 wrote:
OH! That’s all very fascinating. Thanks for sharing the photo and the article. I’ve never heard about this concept before, so very interesting. I could believe all of this. The writers are intelligent people. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happened on the show.
I’m crossing fingers to be right about this theory…i’m gonna post that i was right hahahaxD…
Is not so bad to watch Mythology Stories on History Channel sometimes…seriously i recommend you to watch some History there is a good stories up on that channel ….i’m kind of a collector of Mythology Stories, technically i know stuff hahaha 😀 i’m actually fixing a new Full Fantasy Map with all the mythology places so be prepare for that :D………
GLAD YOU LIKE IT is very interesting though to dig more about those fantasy places 😀
@myril wrote:
Interesting
One little thing: “The Princess Who was hidden Underground” is not a German fairy tale (A. Lang wasn’t detailed about his resources, unfortunately.) It seems to be a Greek fairy tale, found the text in a German book about Greek and Albanian Fairy Tales from 1918. For those able to read German: Johann Georg von Hahn: Griechische und Albanesische Märchen
It doesn’t say though, that it was a sunken castle. The father of the princess build a castle underground and locked his beautiful daughter up in there.
Don’t remember so far any tales about sunken castles on land, only tales of sunken villages, towns, and castle in lakes or in the sea. Maybe something from “One Thousand and One Nights”, Aladdin, Sindbad?
Concering Anita: In their podcast Horowitz/Kitsis tell, that the title of the episode was inspired by the song “Child of the Moon” by the Rolling Stones, released as B-Track of Jumpin’ Jack Flash” in 1968. The design of the den too was a reference to the Stones, as they say, the Stones went in 1967 on a trip to Morroco. The actress and designer Anita Pallenberg had a relationship with Stones’ guitarist Brian Jones, which ended on that trip to Morroco, she left with Keith Richard, and they stayed a couple for 12 years. Maybe just a coincidence, but makes me think, that the name of Ruby’s mother could be a nod to Anita Pallenberg. (and then there is Ruby Tuesday, another Stones’ song … should hear some Rolling Stones again, haven’t done for a while)
Please click on this link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_Who_Was_Hidden_Underground and it says a German Fairy Tale not Greek… and also on that article says:
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground
The Princess Who Was Hidden Underground is a German fairy tale. Andrew Lang included it in The Violet Fairy Book.[1]
SynopsisA king had three sons and divided his property. The older two squandered theirs, but the youngest son was prudent, and became rich. He had an underground castle built, killed the architect, imprisoned his daughter there, and decreed that whoever could find her would marry her, but whoever tried and failed would die. Many did die.
and here is another link about that tale
http://www.mythfolklore.net/andrewlang/054.htmSo i was talking about that castle he built underground, was my first theory
so i found the other story about the Cave&Castle is another theory…which over the time people could build a town above the castle without knowing that there was a castle and with the weight of the new city, the castle possibly sank by itself…@LisaFromOH wrote:
Welcome, Lady of the Lake! That’s a very nice picture you have. Did you make it yourself or find it?
Thx 🙂 i copied from google but then i edited by texting “Lady of the Lake” on it.. 🙂
OMG…Totally agree, fascinated about the last thing….it totally makes sense James Whale – Dr. Whale….. gosh,
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and just look how James Whale is Dressed (with vest, tie and everything) is just like Dr. Whale he always wears ties and vests xD
