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To our sick mates- get well soon!
Reagarding Ariel, I agree with you Ephona.
I’ve tried to read some coments under the famous facebook pic but there’s simply to many.
Love the crocodille shoes- ow the irony:))
So, I’ve been thinking what is realy so captivating in CS for me. Then it hit me- Killian actions towards Emma remind me of my husbands. Always putting me first or putting with all my crap ect. Yep- CS is my kind of fairytale.:)
[adrotate group="5"]One thing I noticed about S3 there were a lot of shots of Hook looking at Emma (and quite a few reciprocal ones too) Most obv in Going Home when Hook has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation, but the camera pans to his reaction to the news Emma is going to stay behind while everyone else will be forced back to the EF. It was pretty obv at the point which romance the writers were going to pursue.
OMG, that happened so much in 3A, it’s ridiculous. There were even a few times a SwanFire scene was overshadowed by Captain Swan. It happened in Ariel, Dark Hollow…I don’t understand how one can watch those scenes and not realize the Captain Swan undertones? And cinematography does not like. I seriously think if season 3 were meant to be a build-up of a SwanFire romance, we wouldn’t need to see Captain Hook’s reaction. More often than not, we would see his reaction to see Hook’s reaction to something SF related. Like the hug in the Echo Caves, or after Neal’s confession to Emma outside of the caves? Why do you need to see Hook’s reaction in those scenes? If it was the other way around, you wouldn’t need to see his reaction. It’s only relevant to see his reaction because he and Emma are the romance going forward. Like in Dark Hollow or one of the other episodes, Neal’s talking and Emma watches Hook pass through the frame. And I did notice in the street scene in 3a finale, the only time we saw Neal’s reaction was during Rumple’s actual confrontation with his father. Camera panned to Hook’s reaction to Emma leaving more often than Neal’s.
I totally agree with you.
I’m a massive readder and watcher and it was obvious for me from the begining. For me, it’s ridiculous, when I hear that SF has beed abandoned in the beginning of 3b. Sure people can have doubts regarding season 2, but 3a was so CS it almost makes you spew up rainbow. You don’t film so many CS reactions to one another if you’re not setting up a romance- it’s unnecessary waste of screan time. Think of all the sceans that could have been there instead. Well they weren’t there because CS romance build up was more important storywise.
@Bo-Peeps I get what you mean with life saving kiss. It’s just that TLK must be more obvious for the rest of fandnom.
And I see it happening exactly as you have described. I’m just not sure about the time. I would like to see it in 4a but I’m not sure they would write it that way.
@sweetgrass I think that Hook will be at least tempted to cut of his hand. It represents so much of his internal issiues. We’ll see. I think A&E said in one of their inteviews that Hook is a new acquaintance of Will, same as Emma.It’s not that I need TLK to enjoy the show. It’s just every season there is ant least 1 TLK.
Season1- Snowing TLK, Emma & Henry TLK, unfinished Rumbelle TLK(or was it season2?)
Season2- Aurora & Philip TLK, Snowing TLK
Season3- Regina & Henry TLK
Not to mention attempted TLK while significant other dosen’t remember. I don’t see lifesaving CS kiss as TLK. Emma did lose her magic.
Because of of above I’m just wondering who and when in season4 are going to share TLK.
I know it is somtimes difficult to accept you were wrong regarding ship. I ve been there before (like 5 times in a liftime). Never have I been so wraped in my disappointment to attack show/book creators publicly(yes twitter is public for me). I’ve told my friends about my feelings, explained why I feel about it the way I did and moved on. Only in one case I still read fanfiction from time to time.
@PoM I love scrawballninja meta’s – they are fantastic, even though I don’t agree with everything she writes.:D
These spoiler pics are killing me. And I can not make my mind- are we going to get TLK in 4a or 4b? What’s your bet guys?
I would love to read this meta obisgirl. Sternberg theory is quite popular regarding psychology of love, and one of the most reasonalbe in my opinion and the easiest to explain to people.
As for rape culture term misusers- Expacting a TV show is what defines teenagers pov on everything( espcially on curting, dating etc.) is like taking parents responsibility for raising their children.That’s all I’m goint to say. If I would start my rant on that I would have definatly offended lots of people. I won’t do that. It would be a wasit of my time anyway.
@obisgirl that’s all so true.
The reason I ship Emma & Killian is that they both brign the best in each other. Hook isn’t perfect and neither is Emma but they are perfect for each other.
If you look into Sternberg’s triangular theory of love( google it if you like), you’ll see that Emma & Killian are at least on the road towards consummate love ( intimacy+ passion+comitment). Well passion is there and we know it’ll be developed in seasno 4. Intimacy is also buliding up. And it seems comitment is in the air ;D.
The problem with SF shippers for example, is that they expect somewhat of “good” siutor for Emma. Hook is in all shades of gray. He has wider gray shade spectrum than Regina & Rumple.R & R are either towards the darker shades o lighter somtemies.
SF see charracter struggles as OOC acts. I see them in oposite way. Doubt and serching are normal in human life (Those who do not doubt once in a while are often diagnosed as psychotic. Wouldn’t like to see that one in a fairtale show.) Answers are not always simple an what we thik they should be. Rumple in season 3 finale ie- no OOC there for me.
Ok. So I am honestly supriesed that there is no discussion here. Normaly I am hardcore Robin & Marian fan but something about OUAT makes OQ so enjoyable. I am not exactly OQ shipper. No yet anyway. I love the idea though. I am very curious how it would be handled now after the whole Marian fiasco. The chemistry between those two is just awsome…
Just read an awesome meta on why Killian could & should never have let Emma push him away. I also understand what they are saying about the reasons why Emma pushes people away & it is exactly why Killian could never allow her to push him away. JMo said much the same thing herself & we all know thats what the writers are going for- funny how it’s only the character bashers & other ‘Emma’ ships that cant see reality.
Now I want to address the issue of why it would have been absolutely detrimental had Killian decided to leave Emma alone, especially during times where her behavior might have been off-putting. Hello my name is Kate and I’m a mental health social worker, so when I see people who suggest that Killian should have left Emma alone I see red and this is why: Emma being a foster youth, particularly one that transitioned out of the foster system through running away, is a context that cannot be ignored and yet frequently is. First off, Emma quite clearly has an avoidant attachment style. Basically, Emma lacked a secure base of attachment due to the abandonment of her parents and then her foster parents at age 3. Those with avoidant attachment tend to self-isolate, are emotionally distant, and prize independence for fear of further abandonment. Does this not sound like our favorite savior princess duckling? The fact that Emma is a foster youth further adds to her need to maintain distance in interpersonal relationships and keep those relationships relatively superficial. These are self-protective strategies that serve to keep her from the emotional heartache of becoming attached only to be abandoned. Remember this is Emma’s internal working model that she applies to all new people- that eventually everyone will leave her. So she doesn’t let people get close enough to matter when they inevitably do. But keeping people at arms length also protects foster youth from people understanding their deeper fears and shame- primarily that they were abandoned in the first place because there is something fundamentally wrong, bad, or unlovable about them. This is the biggest reason why Neal’s later abandonment of Emma has such a profoundly devastating impact on her, causing herself to emotionally isolate for a decade after he left her. She let go of her protective barriers for him, and he (regardless of context because Emma knows nothing of it) commits the one act that reinforces all of her reasons for those barriers in the first place- he leaves her. So, present day Emma is self-isolating and independent. She pushes people away to protect herself, but it’s also an unconscious test. If people leave her when, to distance herself, she is hurtful towards them, then it reinforces her view that she cannot rely on others and perpetuates her isolating behavior. What she needs to overcome her issues is not people running away from her when she pushes, but staying by her side. She needs concrete and stable examples of people refusing to leave her. It’s why it was so crucial that Henry refused to give up on her and Snow jumped in the portal after her. This was Henry and Snow showing Emma that this new family- her Storybrooke family- is not going to abandon her. But Emma still needs that same amount of dedication on a romantic level. Some people don’t need romance for complete lives, this is true- but Emma is arguably looking for romantic love- that’s the whole point of Walsh. He shows us that Emma doesn’t just need familial love- she wants romantic love too. He also again reinforces Emma’s view that those who claim to love her don’t. And so, Killian, in a stunning parallel to Snow, jumps in a portal after her. After consistently staying by her side and supporting her and NOT PUSHING HER ROMANTICALLY after he finds her in New York, even when she sometimes lashed out at him. Because he knows it isn’t disinterest that is keeping her from him and keeping her running- it’s emotional walls she puts up to protect herself. Snow, David, and Henry undo the damage caused by Emma’s familial abandonment. Killian undoes the damage caused by Emma’s romantic abandonment. Killian leaving Emma would only have served as an example to Emma that she isn’t worth staying around for, and that people will leave. It would have been devastating for Emma. The absolute number one worst thing anyone can do to Emma is leave her. You do not abandon the previously abandoned. That’s why they waited to have Emma learn that Killian gave up his ship for her until the second to last scene of the season. After steadfastly not leaving her, she also learns that he gave up the most important thing in his life for her. Now she trusts that she is worthy, that she is truly loved, and so she finally feels safe enough in the fact that he isn’t going anywhere that she lets him in. And it was awesome.
Will admit I over looked Walsh’s importance with regards to Emma actually “needing/wanting” romantic love for herself in the here & now- but when it’s pointed out as it is above it makes absolute sense & is glaringly obvious lol
I agree with that meta. I’ ve got MA in psychology. I think the whole show is fairly
accurate when it comes to characters development and psychology. If it had been sloppy I would not have watched it. I can’t stand bad character writting. Call it a professional quirk.
