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I know the way Zelena went about getting pregnant was wrong on many levels yet I find Regina’s “solution” to the problem, taking an innocent baby away from its mother, to be just as wrong.
Regina said Zelena would have very restricted visitation rights. That’s not taking a baby away from its mother. And considering its Zelena, that’s well within Robin’s rights to enforce.
Just to clarify. The above is not my quote. I agree with the comment below the faulty quote. Robin is well within his right to restrict Zelena’s access if the child is born. She’s a loose cannon at this point.
[adrotate group="5"]The whole Zelena pregnancy plot is a mess….but something good can come from this if written and handled correctly. For one, redemption. I know to some people that redemption through the love of a child maybe cliché, but from Zelena’s standpoint…she’d finally have someone who will choose her, hopefully despite her wrong doing. Zelena was only wicked and jealous because she never felt loved enough, and had severe abandonment issues……having a child, something that is finally her’s and not Regina’s, could heal her from that. Regina’s threat was I do believe only because Zelena was locked in the mental hospital….however, I’m hoping/thinking that she will see that this child will do to Zelena, what Henry did to her, which is change her into a better person. This could even serve to better WickedSisters into a more healthier relationship, the bonding Regina and Zelena could share through this child, Zelena overcoming her pride to come to Regina with help for the baby, and Regina having not been pregnant herself, inquiring as to how the experience is. Something meant for bad can turn into good. As for Regina getting pregnant herself, in the end I’m good with either direction taken. Regina already practically has three kids she raised, Snow White, Henry, and Roland, not to mention she’ll be Baby Greenbean’s step-mother as well….so, she could be quite content with her family. However, if they do want Regina to get pregnant, I don’t want it to be through TLS (True Love’s Sex), I’d much prefer if Merlin undid the effects of the barren potion as a reward to Regina for all the hard work she’s put into her redemption. Overall, some good can come from this mess. But only if Adam and Eddy do it right. Regina and Zelena shouldn’t be instant secret sharing, hair braiding, Elsa and Anna 2.0 Sisters in the season premiere….it should be a build-up, and I’m not just saying till 5×11, probably more so around the Season 5 Finale.
I agree with everything you say here.
Only thing I would add is that I have doubts about Zelena’s redemption. The writers will either choose that direction, which could work, OR prove that she’s beyond the reach of redemption not to repeat Regina’s arc. The thought even occurred to me that Zelena may become The Dark One after Emma and thus very dangerous and with implications for the child.
Love your idea that Merlin will somehow reward Regina. That’s actually better in a way.
Heheh. Well. No more silly than a magical potion for making a person instantly barren, right
Sure, though I have less issue with that since a “barren potion” is just straight up fairy tale and perfectly fits in any magical sort of mythos. But the idea that “ah yes. Your exact sperm and my exact egg are what was needed to render this previous magical potion inert cause true love, baby!” is rather…well, eyebrow raising. I mean I get it from a poetic standpoint: OQ-true love was strong enough to overcome everything including what should be irreparable damage to internal organs but from a non-magical, non-poetic standpoint it’s getting a little too close to that line of just straight up silly when you factor in human biology and that these people–fairy tale characters though they may be–are still that, people. But then again, so was Rumple’s magical artery blockage….(and the hospital that let him go less than 24 hours after apparently suffering a heart attack…but, ‘k) I guess I just stand by my original assertion that making Zelena pregnant in the first place was an egregiously poor idea. But….that horse has left the barn.
LOL. Yes. I agree about that darn horse 😉
My point is that we don’t know what that potion did or what it even was. So factoring biology into it … probably not a good idea. The writers may even come up with a counter potion … A lot about the mythology of magic on OUAT has yet to be explained. Do potions make spells? If so, by that logic, biology is arbitrary, and the whole situation is just down to … well, magic. Mixing the two, magic and biology, will fry our brains …
I don’t think Regina plans to steal Zelena’s baby away from her. She wants the baby to be born because it’s Robin’s child. Other than that, I don’t think she has planned it further other than she wants to be with Robin. They are in quite a predicament, because they really aren’t in a position to set Zelena free – to care for her child – because they cannot trust her with anything.
I’m pretty sure Regina did say she was going to take the child and Zelena’s contact would be very limited or in other words practically non-existent. Found it “The most restrictive visitation rights in history”. Here’s the scene.
Yes, I remember the scene, but I took it to mean Zelena’s current visits in the cell. That while she’s pregnant she’ll be cared for in that cell – alone and not get any visits until the next ultrasound. But you may be right. If so, what else can Regina and Robin do than keep Zelena locked up and let her see her child sometimes. At present, they cannot really make other plans until they see if Zelena is changing for the better to be there for her child – and not trying to take down everyone else … They don’t even know if she wants the child as she did it only to spite Regina.
Meh. Maybe. Not convinced. In a way it makes sense. But I like that they have written the story in a way that Regina doesn’t feel a void in that regard. She has a child and is content with that. That said, the scene in the bar showed us briefly that she would like to have a child with Robin.
I’m not overly fond of the idea that sex with your soul mate/true love suddenly reverses a barren potion. It’s silly, even for a show that harps on TL and uses the TLK as a plot device as much as this one does, but I also know that Regina continues to be A and E’s favorite toy and they aren’t about to deny their favorite toy a chance at ALL THE THINGS.
Heheh. Well. No more silly than a magical potion for making a person instantly barren, right 😉
It’s a tricky balance. But what I like about OUAT is that anything is essentially possible. But with that also comes great responsibility for how the storyline is handled. Most often it works, but sometimes it just runs a bit amok, which I think is the case with Zelena’s preganancy more than anything. But I hope the writers can prove me wrong. Whether or not Regina will end up having a child with Robin … I’m open to that, but still torn about whether or not it will happen.
And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Of course that’s how it will end. I mean, I think half of us predicted that very thing as soon as Mother ended. IMO it’s pretty obvious
Meh. Maybe. Not convinced. In a way it makes sense. But I like that they have written the story in a way that Regina doesn’t feel a void in that regard. She has a child and is content with that. That said, the scene in the bar showed us briefly that she would like to have a child with Robin. But I agree that she doesn’t need to be “fixed” – though it would just be very fairy tale like if true love did do the trick here. But as has also been said, the whole thing with Zelena sort of makes it all very messy right now and I cling on to the hope that whoever came up with the Zelena pregnancy idea in the first place has a master plan for that storyline …
I think the baby storyline is going to backfire on OQ big time specifically Regina. I’m certainly not Zelena’s biggest fan but I feel sympathy for her over Regina’s plan to just take her baby. I know the way Zelena went about getting pregnant was wrong on many levels yet I find Regina’s “solution” to the problem, taking an innocent baby away from its mother, to be just as wrong. Also, considering Zelena was abandoned as a baby, she’d probably want to avoid putting her child through the same thing so she wouldn’t give up the baby willingly. I just can’t accept that such a course of action is okay because Regina is now the good guy so we’re supposed to root for her and everything she does.
I don’t think Regina plans to steal Zelena’s baby away from her. She wants the baby to be born because it’s Robin’s child. Other than that, I don’t think she has planned it further other than she wants to be with Robin. They are in quite a predicament, because they really aren’t in a position to set Zelena free – to care for her child – because they cannot trust her with anything.
‘Xactly. I do think the baby will be nixed.
I’m not sure the baby will be nixed–that would have a lot of backlash. But I do think that S5A will most likely take place over the course of a few days as opposed to months. Zelena only being, roughly, 2ish (if that?) months pregnant means that A and E can have her go off on a rescue mission because–lo and behold–Zelena knows *a thing!* that is important, while playing up the OQ+Zelena/baby angst, but NOT have to deal with the actual labor and baby situation until S5B.
I’m so conflicted. I like both Robin and Zelena as characters. But I just cannot get on board with that baby-storyline. And have actually really tried to see the silver-lining. I get that they used it to put Regina to the ultimate test, but they could have found another way to go.
Making Rebecca Mader a regular tells me that Zelena will soon be out of that cell – and most likely put her magic to use – either because she’s vital to finding Merlin/helping out in some way, or because she escapes and goes back to her wicked ways. I’m torn on whether she’ll turn out to be redeemable or if she’ll just stay wicked to the core. Already, Regina saved her life three times, and yet that didn’t stop Zelena from taking Robin away from her at first. So don’t know.
The thought occurred to me that Zelena may be the one to rid Emma of the darkness and take it for herself to become even more powerful and truly wicked. I’ve also had the notion that the child may not come into fruition. But I also agree, there would be some backlash, but probably no more than there was about the pregnancy to begin with.
And then I see a lot of discussion on Tumblr and Twitter about whether or not True Love breaks the curse of the potion Regina drank in the episode “Mother”. By all logic, it would, I suppose, in the sense that Regina can have children, but only with Robin. Sort of poetic.
Either way, the fact that both Sean and Rebecca are now regulars will certainly make for some drama no matter what course it takes, no matter if Zelena will be redeemed or become even darker.
Another description:
ACTION: Emma is holdig the dagger while her and Hook run towards the middle of the street, (ugh, Ems, did no one ever teacht you to never run with a knife) Charmcharmz, Snow, and Outlaw Queen are waiting. “Did you find it?” Screams Emma, whereto Charmcharmz answers “No.” Then Robin screams “ REGINA “, and we see Regina being pulled by something, and suddenly she’s up in the air and can’t go anywhere. The wind picks up like hell, which makes is very hard to hear any dialogue. We hear bits and pieces. Something about hope and happiness, but we can’t be sure. We can, however, hear Robin scream “There has to be another way”, and Emma replies with “There is!” This is when it gets real. Charmcharmz and Snow are trying to stop her, just like Hook. There’s a small part, where Hook grabs her, trying to stop her in whatever she is doing. At first I thought they might kiss, but they don’t. They do touch foreheads and it seems to be pretty intimate for a little moment. And that’s when Emma steps away, and holds the dagger above her head. The wind picks up even more, and there’s some heavy lightning (they will most likely add thunder as sound effects as well). While this was happening, Regina ran over to Robin and Outlaw Queen cuddles while watching the confusing hell that’s still going on. Then Emma is gone, and the only thing that’s left is the dagger on the ground. CUT so yeah, it’s obvious that i’ll never be a good writer, but here ya go.
OMG!
Sounds epic.
Just saw this summary from Once Upon a Spoiler’s Facebook page
“Once Upon A SpoilerOkay, from what I am reading from fans that are on set:Emma has the dagger. Emma takes Regina’s place. Emma and Hook apparently kiss before pushing him away, then lightning hits her/the dagger and Emma vanishes. Everyone is confused and Snow is crying.Edit: Before the above happens, Robin tries protecting Regina from whatever is attacking her, but is thrown back.Edit: After Emma disappears, the dagger is left behind.Clarification: Whatever is attacking Regina, Emma takes her spot. No body switching or anything.”
