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I think I’d be cooler with the global reactions if people would collectively admit that there is a backstage element to this. I was one of the diehard Mary/Matthew shippers on Downton Abbey, and the fact that JFellz was very public with, “it was Dan Stevens choice to leave the show” made how all that went down more palatable. It’s not great storytelling, but at least I don’t have to swallow the “it was what we were planning all along” shtick.
THIS ^^^^^^
Yes. Exactly. I hated that Matthew died on DA, but nothing really could be done. Same with Sybil. Audiences coped! JF gave us rich GRIEVING storylines afterwards. For reals. A whole season. That’s how it’s done.
I can’t help but think that MRJ could/would have bowed out gracefully and with class. I don’t see why there would need to be this ridiculous cover-up using “plot.” It’s not like ppl aren’t speculating anyway… And perhaps more so due to lack of anything making any sense coming out of episodes, interviews, Twitter, etc. This ridiculousness has done so much more damage than just saying, he wanted to pursue other projects. Or we weren’t able to give him enough screen time. Dang. This isn’t uncommon or unheard of, for Pete’s sake!
(Cue crack theories making more sense…)
[adrotate group="5"]And sorry to serial post, but I went to this lecture last night where the speaker talked about the short story “The Nightingale and the Rose” by Oscar Wilde and it totally made me think of Neal’s stupid death. I don’t want to ruin the story for anyone (bc it’s Oscar Wilde), but for Oscar Wilde fans, might be worth a read.
None of this makes sense! My brain is short circuiting from “does not compute”!
And I made the mistake of reading comments on an article where the CSers were out in full force… Does not compute! Does not compute!
Wth is going on here?
My name is dontstopbelievin, that’s my crack theory, and I’m stickin’ to it. The screenname is not for nothing, these rose-colored shipping goggles have been welded on, so I might as well take advantage!
Pass the pipe. I’ll take some.
Going back to that Neal is dead interview…
“The death is real and the character has really died.”
What does this really mean to you people anyway?
We always felt that Neal or Baelfire at his core was a hero; he always tried to stay away from magic. We saw him as a young boy sacrificing himself to save the Darlings to go to Neverland. For us, this was a natural outgrowth of that…
What? he always tried to stay away from magic. He sacrificed himself for the darlings. Then he runs to dark magic without thinking about it and acts like he’s just now learned to sacrifice for the first time… yes “natural outgrowth” indeed.
“when he realized the mistake, he paid for it, he didn’t run away from it.”
Official per A&E: good guys pay for mistakes; bad guys don’t. And not only do good guys pay for it, but they pay for it immediately and irreversibly with their lives.
“We talked about the best way to make the exit as emotionally affecting and real as we all could.”
This exit or his exit? What exit?
“Absolutely. Keep watching.”
But I thought we weren’t going to see the dead character anymore. He was leaving the show. Period. Did we misread the original quote? Are you being vague? What is this game you are playing?
I’m still not convinced he is dead, as in FINAL death. There could be semantics at play, and meanwhile, there’s both too much being said and too much not being said.
I refuse to watch again until Neal is resurrected, at which time I will go back through and catch up (minus 3×15, which I doubt I’ll ever be able to stomach). If he’s never resurrected, then OK!
That is an argument that I totally buy.
If he wanted to leave, why not say so diplomatically? That would be less painful. Like on Downton Abbey no one blamed Julian Fellowes when actors left and their beloved characters were killed. And the actors? It was business.
It makes no sense to p1ss us all off with mirthful BS about how this was all planned.
He didn’t even get a second chance at having a plotline! Somewhere I got the impression that he and Belle were going off on this adventure to save Rumple. Somehow, I don’t really think that 3×15 was much of an “adventure…”
The theme of fathers in general being historically painted in a negative light on this show for one.
That’s about the ONLY thing this death did for Bae – it officially broke the cycle of horrible father/son relationships on the show. Malcolm was a crappy father, Rumple was a crappy father… Neal, well, we’ll never know… he didn’t get much chance to be one, but from the moment he found out he had a kid, he sure tried to be a good father.
Malcolm let go. Rumple let go. TWICE, Neal made Emma let go. He didn’t have it in him to let go. Emma had to be the one to do it – the first time into the portal, the second time into death.
=SOB!=
Where are the second chances? That is what I want to know. That promo pic is stuck in my craw like nothing else.
