[lisas]

Re: hero talk3x11 was big in terms of villains moving down redemption road. Rumple sacrificed his life; Regina sacrificed the thing she loves most. But Hook didn’t do much in terms of grand gestures, which is what defines heroes in Fairy Tales, for the most part. He did take everyone to NL and somewhat assisted in the rescuing of Henry. But as he tells Charming n 305, “I didn’t do it for you, mate.” He’s too much like Regina of S2 where he’s doing “good things” for the sake of someone’s love and not for the sake of doing good things. He expects something in return for all these deeds. That’s not heroism. That’s personal investment.

RG I agree everything Hook has done so far this season is because he wants Emma. I think Hook knows deep down that Emma doesn’t feel the same way for him and that she really does love Neal just as much as she loves their son Henry. What did David say to Hook in 305 “Let me give a bit of advice Hook She’s never going to like you” “How so ?” “How could she you’re nothing but a pirate”

[lisas]

In the chat, I was reflecting what it means to be a true hero. Here is what I wrote. A true hero is willing to die for the sake of others. Charming was willing to die fighting to protect baby Emma to put her in the wardrobe. Snow willingly ate a poisoned apple in an attempt to save Charming and her friends. Ruth died so that Snow would be able to have a baby one day. Neal was willing to die so that Henry wouldn’t have to grow up alone. Regina was willing to die to protect Henry from the fail-safe, and Emma joined her. Rumple sacrificed himself to protect Neal/Belle. All of these examples are self-sacrificial in which the person making the sacrifice doesn’t expect to live but is willing to do it to protect the people he or she loves. I think Hook making this sort of self-sacrifice would complete his S3 motto, “Believe a pirate can be a hero.” As I’ve said previously, in 3×11, both Regina and Rumple scarified this own happiness for the sake of giving their sons, Henry and Neal, respectively, a chance at happiness, even though that meant not being with them. While we’ve seen Hook come close to doing a truly noble deed, like putting his own life in jeopardy, he’s yet to do it entirely for the sake of others, because he always expects to gain something by it. A truly final heroic act in which he willingly sacrifices himself to give his son-figure, Baelfire, and Emma, whom he claims to feel something for, another chance at happiness would be very heroic.

I have to agree with you Slurpeez that would redeem Hooks Character in everyone’s eyes and that is what is making me think that it will be Hook that is the major character death.

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[lisas]

I’m more inclined to think that it will be Hook that dies. I think it will happen by him sacrificing his own life for Neal’s, Emma’s & Henry’s lives. Which would infact redeem Hook to become a hero

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[lisas]

I’m more inclined to think that it’s will be Hook that dies. I think it will happen by him sacrificing his own life for Neal’s, Emma’s & Henry’s lives. Which would infact redeem Hook to become a hero

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[lisas]

I’m just physically sick over all of this. If it’s actor related then they need come out and just say it but I’m inclined to believe that Adam is dodging this because he doesn’t want to deal with what I’m sure will be fan backlash and low ratings by trying to say it was story driven all along which to me is nothing more than a flagrant excuse because they caved to fan pressure over a certain pirate and pressure from ABC promo department

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[lisas]

lisas wrote:

obisgirl wrote: You know, just because the Neverland arc is done, does not mean that Hook’s story is done. Pan’s story, that’s definitely done and I think Hook’s proved thus far and with the winter finale, there’s more story to tell with him coming up.

Obisgirl I can’t see Neal’s story being done either which is I don’t belioeve it’s Neal.

No one’s story should be done. That’s the major issue I keep coming back to

–Hook: never really got to be Captain Hook. Still a potential love interest for Emma. Still has CaptainFire stuff to work out. Still has history with Rumple to at least ADDRESS.

–Belle: on adventure to find love of life. Needs to be integrated into family more. Needs to marry Rumple.

–Neal: story of how Bae became Neal. His life after the Tallahassee story. His relationship with Henry.Still a potential love interest for Emma. Still needs to work with Rumple. Can become friends with Belle.

And that’s why I keep saying, this isn’t story driven. It can’t be. Look at everything that needs to be told.

I’m with you on this RG I think Adam is dodging big time, Like you RG I don’t it’s story driven either I think it’s actor related

I think Adam & Eddy, ABC and the cast need to be fully prepared for fan backlash and lower ratings

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[lisas]

You know, just because the Neverland arc is done, does not mean that Hook’s story is done. Pan’s story, that’s definitely done and I think Hook’s proved thus far and with the winter finale, there’s more story to tell with him coming up.

Obisgirl I can’t see Neal’s story being done either which is why I don’t believe it’s Neal is the one dying.

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[lisas]

Guys seriously I can’t really see it being MRJ either simply because I don’t think that Adam & Eddy would bring Neal in for Season 2 and make him a series regular just for season 3 only to kill him off especially since it was Adam & Eddy who actively Sought out MRJ in the first place for the role of Neal/BaelFire

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[lisas]

First let me say sorry if this sounds like a bash torwards Hook & CS but it’s not it’s more of a rant about promotion of a product then anything else

This is what upsets me about the media & ABC’s Marketing Department

Hook seems to be the one who is promoted the most out of everyone in the cast and Once is not even built around him but yet the character is the darling of the ABC’s marketing department because of his good looks and & leather.

I feel like ABC wants to cater only to the fangirls of Hook by promoting him as well CS

I don’t know how anyone else feels but I’m tired of having CS & Hook being shoved in my face every day by ABC & The media.
Not everyone is in love with Hook or the idea that Emma could actually choose someone like him.

As I said sorry about the rant

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[lisas]

I don’t see Chris Gorham’s character as a suitor for Emma’s heart I think it’s Adam & Eddy using the press to mess the heads of the fans especially the CS & SF Fans since it’s Neal & Hook who both want Emma

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