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WOW !!!!!!!!!!! Talk about Heat, intensity, Passion and Romance all wrapped into one WOAH!!!!!!!
I think I need some ice

Sean & Lana have great chemistry judging by that picture

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I’m wondering if that strand of hair the WWW is holding is Emma’s

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RumplesGirl wrote:

Agreed. The groundwork has been laid for SF from the very start of the show. Even if we didn’t know it back then, from the getgo, they were building this story about the son that Rumple lost and how he needed the Curse in order to find him, but he wouldn’t be able to find him without the Curse breaking, and that was Emma’s part to play, and in the midst of it all, these two people were drawn together and fell in love. Their relationship is an extension of the core of the show, and I just do not believe that Kitswitz would alter something so important, just to bow to fan pressure. Hook is one of several obstacles to have been thrown at SF. That’s how TV shows work, you throw obstacles at the OTP to torture the fans by drawing out the culmination of their love story. Even if SF aren’t officially back together by season’s end, I really do think they’ll have made some great strides by then.

Exactly! Along with Snow and Charming, Emma and Baelfire were the originally planned couple from the pilot. Jennifer Morrison, Robert Carlyle, Eddy and Adam all knew who Baelfire would be in the life of Emma Swan. Having said that, Adam and Eddy did consider changing who Henry’s father would be, because by then, some fans had already predicted his true identity to be Baelfire. The time to change the direction of the writing would have been before that reveal, but by that point in time, Adam and Eddy were so in love with their own creation that they kept it as they always intended it to be. That is a huge indicaiton that Adam and Eddy are the type to stick with their own creative storytelling vision on the big points, namely that Emma and Neal still love each other, despite all of the pain they’ve been through. Yet, Adam and Eddy were the ones who wrote 3×11 and therefore the one who wrote Neal’s parting words to Emma and Henry. “This isn’t over. I will see both of you again.” Now, let’s see, I wonder why exactly they chose those words. Maybe because it really isn’t over for Emma and Neal (despite what CS fans claim)?

I agree 100% with you both Surpeeze and RG I think from the beginning Adam & Eddy knew just exactly what two fairytales they wanted to combine to give fans a modern updated fairytale and what better way then to spin a tale about the children 3 iconic characters Snow White & Prince Charming and of course the imp Rumpelstiltskin. So they in my estimation created Emma & Neal. Who is the product of True Love & the Savior of The Enchanted Forest. Regina said it best to Emma in 3×11 “Going Home” “You were created to break the curse” , The son of the Dark One who has ran from his father & the dark magic his father wielded. “Rumple said it best to Neal in 3×11 “Going Home” “I created the curse to find you Bae to tell you that I love you” I believe with all my heart that Adam & Eddy have intentionally weaved this tale in the direction that is going for a reason I think they planned it so that it Rumple’s son & Snow and Charming’s daughter would meet and fall in love and because of that love that they have they created Henry who seems to be able to tie everyone together and bring out the best in everyone. Prince Charming said it best in the Season 3 promo “True Love isn’t Easy, but it must be fought for” so far this season while we were in Neverland and briefly in Storybrooke we have seen the themes of Hope, Believe or Belief, Second Chances, Home, Leap Of Faith, Family, Sacrifice and above all else True Love used consistently over and over again. I don’t expect Adam & Eddy to change those ideals or the course of their story when it comes to Neal & Emma and their family due to fan pressure because some of them are captivated by the pretty face of a pirate and his bad boy immage. Yes Hook is good looking but he is not the man of honor that he claims to be He stole Milah from Rumple and tore apart Neal’s family. That incident set Rumple on the course to become to Dark One and caused Neal to eventually flee from his father and the land he was from for other lands. Let’s not forget the trickery in Neverland that Hook used to coax Neal to tell him about the only weapon to kill his father, When Neal discovered the picture of Milah in Hook’s quarters he could have remained silent but he didn’t instead he confronted Hook about it and even though he learned that his mother abandoned him & Rumple for Hook. Hook though in anger told Neal that Rumple killed his mother and how it was done and why. Neal chose to go with Felix & the Lost Boys rather then to stay with Hook. I think in Neal’s mind at the time it was the lesser of the two evils. Let’s not forget Hook tried to kill Belle in Regina’s castle, then teamed up with Regina to kill her mother Cora, then double crossed Regina and teamed up with Cora. Let’s not forgot the double crossing he did with Emma in the Enchanted Forest locking her in Rumple’s cell and teaming back up with Cora simply because she left him with the giant, Not to mention taking Aurora’s heart and giving it to Cora, then the sword fight with Emma at Lake Nostos, Not to mention what he & Cora did to Archie, Regina. Going to New York and trying to kill Rumple and hurting Emma to get to him. Let’s not forget him shooting Belle and of course teaming up with Greg & Tamara against everyone in Storybrooke including Regina, Emma, Neal, Henry, The Charmings, Rumple. Then stealing the bean from Emma which allowed GOAT take Henry and we all know what that lead to in Neverland. Hook may view himself as a man of honor but it is clear he isn’t. He hasn’t even been honest with Emma just who exactly Milah was.

The Captain Swan Fans can keep deluding themselves that Hook is right for Emma all they want but I truly believe that Adam and Eddy are using him as just another road bump that Neal & Emma have to overcome just like they did with Tamara, August and the separations because in the end Emma & Neal will get their Second Chance.”

Neal said it best to Emma in Neverland “I’ll Never stop fighting for you Emma, Never” And in Storybrooke to both Emma & Henry in 3×11 “Going Home” When they were going to be separated yet again “This Isn’t Over, I Will See Both Of You Again” (Once again emphasizing that themes that he loves them both and that they are a family, and that he Believes he will find away back to them and he will see them again. He was also trying to give the two of them Hope.

I truly Believe that Neal & Emma are each others True Loves and that they are most definitely Endgame just like Snow & Charming, Rumple & Belle, Regina & Robin Hood.

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CaptainEala posted this in the CaptainSwan thread.

I know SFers like to believe that what makes SF beautiful is that it’s a ~real life ~messy ~imperfect relationship, but I call BS on that.

EVERY SINGLE FANTASY STORY HAS RULES. Rules which HAVE to be followed. Otherwise the story makes NO SENSE. You have to follow a structure.

In OUAT (and OUATIW) we have consistently been shown:
•that TL does not move on
•it always finds each other
•when it is separated, it ruins the couples lives
•that both partners need to believe in their love

SF literally fits NONE of these criteria. I mean, you could ignore it not meeting one or two, but ALL FOUR?

NOPE.

I disagree with this post about SwanFire not following any of the rules because it does, and it follows ALL FOUR!

•that TL does not move on- Emma never got over Neal. Neal tried to move on but failed.

•it always finds each other- Neal found Emma in his car, Emma found Neal in Manhattan, Emma and Neal found each other in Neverland when they went there to save Henry.

•when it is separated, it ruins the couples lives- It has for both of them. August separated Neal and Emma. Emma went to jail, has trust issues and gave up Henry for adoption. Neal met Tamara and was played by her. Both Emma and Neal’s lives were ruined. Note that when Emma came back into Neal’s life, Neal found out he was a father (which he was happy about). Neal’s life got better when Emma returned.

•that both partners need to believe in their love- Both of them did believe in their love in Tallahassee. They do still love each other now but are having to work through their issues before they can be all lovey dovey again.

POM I completely agree with you on all your points which have been proved consistently over & over time and again where Neal & Emma are concerned. Which makes me question where in world are these CS Fans getting these ideas because in my opinion it certainly isn’t the same TV Show that I’ve been watching over the course of the last what three seasons

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I love this quotation! From Tumblr:

“During their farewell hug, the way that Neal takes a moment and looks over to Henry. Because it’s not just about the girl to him. It’s about the family. And it’s not just about the family. It’s probably also about feeling good that he can have a moment to show his son (who is oblivious to all that has happened between Neal and Emma since prior to the portal fall) that he loves his mother. That he still loves his mother. And doesn’t wish to be separated from either of them. A moment to reinforce the idea that ‘this parting is not an abandonment’. Neal loves Emma, Henry loves Emma, Henry loves Neal and Neal loves Henry.”
— There’s your love triangle.

OMG that is just perfectly stated

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RumplesGirl wrote:

Now that Meghan Ory has wrapped the first season of CBS’s Intelligence, she may be back as Little Red this spring.

For what it’s worth, for those interested, Meghan’s new show Intelligence pretty much bombed in its second episode (1.1, 6.10 million, a 56% drop from pilot) so it could be that A and E can ask her back for more than one episode.

I’ve been watching Meghan’s show, it’s not bad but it just doesn’t seem to have that wow factor

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I don’t know how many of you are familiar with the Twilight Saga Beaking Dawn Part 2

But I want to do a swanfire video to this song called The Forgotten

Here is the lyrics

“The Forgotten”

Where in the world’s the forgotten?
They’re lost inside your memory
You’re dragging on, your heart’s been broken
As we all go down in history

Where in the world did the time go?
It’s where your spirit seems to roam
Like losing faith to our abandon
Or an empty hallway from a broken home

Well don’t look away from the arms of a bad dream
Don’t look away, sometimes you’re better lost than to be seen

I don’t feel strange, it’s more like haunted
Another moment trapped in time
I can’t quite put my finger on it
But it’s like a child that was left behind

So where in the world’s the forgotten?
Like soldiers from a long lost war
We share the scars from our abandon
And what we remember becomes folklore

Well, don’t look away from the arms of a bad dream
Don’t look away, sometimes you’re better lost than to be seen
Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of tomorrow
Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of love

Well, don’t look away from the arms of a bad dream
Don’t look away, sometimes you’re better lost than to be seen
Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of tomorrow
Don’t look away from the arms of a moment
Don’t look away from the arms of love

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Crack Theory: Gorham is one of WW’s flying monkeys, sent to ALWM to keep Emma from believing in Hook.

Interesting idea very plausible

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Vanessa wrote:

So glad they aren’t doing a baby switch story line!

you and me both. That wold be horrible.

angiebelle wrote:

Despite “splashy” I’m not convinced the wedding is between Ariel and Eric. While I’d love to see them again, they are relatively minor characters and haven’t currently been filming as far as we know. It’d be strange to bring them back just for that. I’m also not sure they’d tease a big wedding if it were just for them, but who knows

That’s true but it seems hard to imagine another couple. Rumbelle is the most obvious but Adam did once say that Rumbelle wouldn’t be married until the end. Though he could have been playing the troll card.

lisas wrote:

Again this is not news because we’ve known since before Thanksgiving because of the set pictures that both Prince Philip & Aurora were on set filming with the majority of those cast members sent back to the EF, and we figured they would incorporate Ginny’s pregnancy into the story so I’m not too surprised by this however I’m surprised they would tie both babies together somehow like a betrothal promise especially given what we know about Snow & Charming

Here is my problem with the betrothal idea. It flies in the face of this show’s message of true love. Would Snowing and Philora, two couple who are canon TL as seem with TLK, actually marry their children together without giving them a choice???

Yeah I agree with you I don’t buy that either RG especially knowing what we know about the show & True Love and how Charming & Snow feel about arranged marriages & the like

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Just read the spoilers bear in mind Keck does get some of his information right and some of it wrong but that being said
Let’s break them down ( My Speculation is in Bold)

Get ready for some big reveals when ABC’s Once Upon a Time returns on March 9. Executive producers Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz preview what’s brewing in Fairy Tale Land, Storybrooke and Oz.

– The Wicked Witch of the West (Lost’s Rebecca Mader) lands in Storybrooke on the March 9 episode. She shares ties to two familiar characters. Viewers will learn what turned her green and will eventually meet the Wizard. “There might be some other surprises along the yellow brick road,” Kitsis says. “We’re setting up the fight of all fights: Evil Queen versus Wicked Witch!”

We knew already that we would see the WWW from OZ on Once Upon A Time so that is old info. But I suspect we will see how got to the EF in 312 and possibly recreate SB in order to curse everyone again just to get to Regina

– The March 9 episode will also incorporate the fact that real-life couple Ginnifer Goodwin and Josh Dallas (Snow and Charming) are expecting a child. The baby will have a connection to the impending progeny of Sleeping Beauty (Sarah Bolger) and Prince Phillip (Julian Morris), though producers promise there won’t be a soap opera-like baby switch.

Again this is not news because we’ve known since before Thanksgiving because of the set pictures that both Prince Philip & Aurora were on set filming with the majority of those cast members sent back to the EF, and we figured they would incorporate Ginny’s pregnancy into the story so I’m not too surprised by this however I’m surprised they would tie both babies together somehow like a betrothal promise especially given what we know about Snow & Charming

– Emma (Jennifer Morrison) will encounter a mysterious stranger in New York City (Covert Affairs’ Christopher Gorham)

We know in Chris Gorham is in 312 but I don’t think he is as importantto Emma as they are making him out to be is he Ryder Flynn maybe but we also know he will be connected to Rapunzel so if that is the case then how did he get to our world. Who sent him ?

Charming will come to the rescue of Rapunzel (Alexandra Metz) atop a tower

We know this happens in 314 now whether or not it’s FTL pre-curse or post curse 1 year after they have returned from SB is unknown

and Belle (Emilie de Ravin) will meet her French candlestick pal, Lumiere (True Blood’s Henri Lubatti).

We know know they currently shooting this episode which is 315

– Now that Meghan Ory has wrapped the first season of CBS’s Intelligence, she may be back as Little Red this spring.

Not news considering Meghan tweeted she would be back as Red this season

– Expect a splashy season-finale wedding. Will the bride and groom be Belle and Rumple? Emma and Hook? Regina and Robin Hood?

A season finale wedding is possible Belle & Rumple would be my first guess considering they’re road has been hardest and longest so far 3 season’s in the making

Regina & Robin Hood is ssomething I doubt seriously since their love story is only just beginning

Emma & Hook that is very doubtful since the the triangle between Emma/Neal/Hook hasn’t even really had time to get going since Neverland.

My other guess is that it’s not any of these 3 ships excuse me couples and that it could be Ariel & Prince Eric who Keck is making reference to.

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