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Oh My Gosh The SwanFire Feels I am having after those videos. I want their reunion to happen now.

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Neal mentioned the Ruby Slippers in 303 as a portal which indicates to me that he could have gone to Oz at some point

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kfchimera wrote: Yes, to those spoiler thoughts. I do hope we get some bonding when they hit the EF, but I think we’ll go right to tons of action. What I am kind of wondering is, if the whole “Neal sent Emma to jail is to be addressed–might there be some black fairy connection here, as we never found out what “little fairy” told August those things we don’t know how he knew. What if Neal did go through another world like Oz, and part of what had him on the run, what motivated him to “steer clear” was some danger from that?

O___O again! You could be right about this so-called black fairy being the one who told August to come between Emma and Neal! We all had been assuming it was Blue Fairy, but what if the REAL sneaky fairy hasn’t even been named yet? What if the real Sneaky Fairy is the Black Fairy, who could be WWW of Oz? Some of us have speculated that Rumple ends up in Oz, which if that’s the case, then maybe Neal goes after his papa. Maybe Emma and Neal have some greater role to play in this new curse of hers? Lisas in the chat was suggesting this…but you’d have to read her theory or ask her to explain her thoughts on the matter.

Slurpeez is right I been suggesting this theory as off the wall as it may sound when you think about it could very well be plausible.
I said earlier tonight in chat that I believed that their is only so many times that Emma as the savior & Henry as the heart of the truest believer can escape the effects of this type of curse either when it cast or broken. This last time was because of Rumple making her the Savior to break the dark curse because he wove Snow’s & Charming’s True love into the curse and used a drop of the potion that he made on the parchment as saftey valve as he called it which is what triggered her to be the savior. Henry was born in our world yes but his entire family is from the Enchanted Forest and he has been touched by magic by Emma, Regina, Rumple, Neal and of course Pan. He the heart of the truest believer it makes him just a magical and as special anyone else from the Enchanted Forest who has magic. As we saw when Regina adopted him he lived under the curse like everyone else until Snow gave him the book of fairytales which we now know is what woke him up from the curse and sent on his way to find Emmas and bring her to Storybrooke to break the curse. I think they could only escape Regina’s curse & Pan’s curse because it was basically the same curse. But this new curse from the WWW I have my doubts that they could escape it both when it’s cast and the effects when it is finally broken.

I came up with this theory that the Wicked Witch for whatever reason needs Emma & Henry to lock the curse in somehow. She either threatens Neal, Snow & Charming or She threatens Emma & Henry either way I originally felt that Hook was the only one who was sent back to retrieve Emma & Henry and restore their memories but since we have heard that MRJ was on set during the time when JMo & Colin were filming the NYC stuff. I’m think Neal comes with Hook to not only help restore Emma & Henry’s memnories but also to reunite with his family. I think the potion is either BF’s memory potion or one the WWW has made using the blood from Snow,Charming and Neal because they are connected to them by blood, they’re family. I suspect once that happens Emma & Henry are brought to the EF to rescue Snow & Charming from whoever is threatening them. I’m certain that once Emma & Henry are in the EF that is when the WWW will cast her curse and send everyone to a recreated SB after their drinking that potion and their memories are restored then they will be like everyone else from the the enchanted forest who is in SB Cursed but it will take Emma & Henry & Neal to break the curse. I think Emma will find the scroll that she thought Regina destroyed.

As I said I don’t think Emma & Henry can escape the effects of having to go back to the Enchanted Forest with everyone else once this curse is broken.

I suspect that the majority the arc with the WWW will take place in the EF and that WWW is running things from there

I really think that Hook & Neal will bring & Emma & Henry Back to the EF first to save Emma’s parent’s & reunite with them first first before the WWW curses everyone again and sends them all to a recreated SB.

My thinking is that WWW somehow needs Emma & Henry back in the Enchanted Forest with their their memories restored in order to lock in her curse and recreate Storybrooke. The Memory Potion that the BF made for Belle & Sneezy was light blue the the potion that Hook gives them is more dark bluish to purplish in color I think she took the blood from Snow, Charming & Neal because they are related by blood. I also think that by Emma & Henry drinking it that will make them residents of the Enchanted Forest and when the curse is broken this time there will be no escape they will like everyone else have to go back to the EF like Emma was meant be all along. The blood may also be a key in binding Henry to the EF so that he can remain with his entire family

Is that to off the wall

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I was lurking in the CS thread just before, in the aftermath of the CSF stuff, and saw someone had posed some questions for SFers, but they weren’t sure if they could even ask them, so I’m posting a response in here…

surayya wrote:

Do people in here who frequent or lurk in the SF thread, think I could ask them a few questions & NOT receive answers based on how it’s relates to CS? (Q = How do they feel about the 8:15 Emma/Henry/Neal thing, after the events of this last ep & Do they want to see Neal reconcile with his past more {as in accepting what he was & what he went through, like Emma had too in NL}, before he gets into a serious relationship?) I only want answers as they relate to their own ship not ours though (I dont want to be told it means nothing to CS because etc. I am really curious as to what they think now (I know some felt 8:15 was important when I read the thread of doom/CSF). I have asked on another site I frequent (which has a mix of SF & CS shippers, but they never really felt 8:15am had any real SF connections in the 1st place, so couldnt give me an answer lol & are split pretty 50/50 on whether a day or 2 is enough to honestly have accepted & move past feeling as he does). I dont want them to feel like I’m wanting them to defend their ship or anything, but I am really curious, if they feel about Neal, how we felt about Hook (to begin with).

The 8:15 has typically been used in relation to things directly involving Emma, Henry, or Neal, so this is just another one to chalk up on the list.

The more significant symbolic things about the ending scene is firstly that she’s in NYC. The last time we saw her, she was living in Boston, so why the change in location? To the same city Neal had been living in. The city where they met again in Manhattan. This ep was titled Going Home. SF had dreams of setting up a proper home. Their final exchange before Neal got out of the Bug and ended up running into August was:

Neal: Tallahassee, baby. We’re almost home.

(Neal exits the car with the bag.)

Emma: Home…

And now, Emma and Henry have made their home in NYC of all places. Even without her new memories, she has been drawn to the place where Neal lived, and it has become her home. NYC is like the new Tallahassee.

Also, the song choice is pretty blatant. If they didn’t intend to show a SF connection, they would not have played that song. In both instances, with Neal and with Emma, the song cuts out immediately before the messenger (postcard/Hook) with news of the Curse arrives. This is a blatant and direct parallel between the two characters.

The fact that they bothered to write in those connections, which exist even though Emma doesn’t currently have her new memories of Neal, screams to me that they are undeniably, irrevocably connected, and are destined to be close to each other, and together.

As far as Neal reconciling with his past before moving on, I assume you mean Tamara, because you also ask if a couple of days is really enough time to get over it, and he’s had plenty of time to reconcile all the other crap he’s had to go through in his life.

I would have liked at the very least a scene where he was told the details of how Tamara was the one who kidnapped Henry, and how it was his father who killed her. The fact that we got none of that suggests that anything to do with him learning about and reacting to Tamara’s final actions, just happened off screen. Which is kind of annoying, because it’s something that would be worthwhile showing his reaction to, but it also means that yes, he has addressed it in some way, so I don’t really consider it a huge issue with him moving on.

He may have loved Tamara, but he also never stopped loving Emma. A big part of why he didn’t go to SB, and instead carried on with Tamara, is because he didn’t believe he’d have a chance with Emma anyway, because he’d never forgiven himself, so he had no reason to expect that Emma would forgive him, and seeing him again would only serve to hurt her, which he didn’t want to do because he still loved her and had hurt her enough. (Now that I’m thinking about it, that attitude is similar to Emma not being able to believe in the good moments, always expecting the doom. And because this is something that Neal did experience through the Tamara mess, it contributes to how he was able to stand strong for Emma at the town line, and tell her that it was gonna be OK and they’d make it through and see each other again. He was a bit Charming-esque in basically telling her that this is just one of those twists and turns that they’ll inevitably be faced with in life. Anyway, I digress….)

So he gave into his fear of facing Emma, and stuck with Tamara instead. Tamara was always his second choice, if he could have been with Emma, he would have, so I daresay they might have actually been some sense of relief for him when he discovered that Tamara was evil, and he no longer had any obligation to try and stand by her, and deny his feelings for Emma.

It’s really not as straightforward as, “Neal was gonna marry someone else a week ago, so there’s no way he could be ready to move on already.” It’s a very unusual circumstance, with a complicated clash of emotions. Jane Espenson once said that in TV, fiancees are like walls, they can be moved out of the way. Tamara’s true self being revealed was, more than anything else, an obstacle for SF being moved out of the way. They made her as horrible as possible so that no one would mourn her, including Neal himself.

I’d have liked to see a scene where he had a moment of, “How could I have been so stupid,” because once again, he got the crap end of the stick in life. But on the other hand, the fact that we didn’t see him beating himself up like that indicates that he’s learning and growing and gaining strength through his struggles, which is an admirable thing.

Phee I agree with you on all points. You hit the nail right on the head.

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Slurpeez108 wrote:

RumplesGirl wrote: That GIF makes me want to drink heavily.

You mean drink hot chotocoalate with cinnamon of course? It’s our chosen beverage around here. To quote Regina, “I don’t do rum.” LOL!

*stern face* of course.

So I had a wacky idea

we had reports of MRJ being on set for the 312 stuff when JMo and Colin were doing the NYC stuff. We all though it odd cause we never saw him. What if Neal is there in NYC? When we see him with Hook in the EF it must be the past. So what if they both came to NYC but obviously Hook had to go to Emma since Emma is likely to punch Neal

OH My Gosh That would explain alot RG Pleae, Please Please let that happen

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The Authors Notes & Chapter 1 of My first Swanfire Once Upon A Time FanFic is now posted here

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Good Morning I finished the first chapter of my SwanFire FanFic and will post it later on today. I think you all enjoy this first chapter. As I was writing this I was listening to this song

Here is the lyrics

Ross Copperman – Holding On And Letting Go

Is anybody out there?
Is anybody listening?
Does anybody really know if its the end of the beginning?
The quiet rush of one breath
Is all we’re waiting for
Sometimes the one we’re taking
Changes every one before..

[Chorus]
It’s everything you wanted, it’s everything you don’t
It’s one door swinging open and one door swinging closed
Some prayers find an answer
Some prayers never know
We’re holding on and letting go

Sometimes we’re holding angels
And we never even know
Don’t know if we’ll make it,
But we know,
We just can’t let it show

[Chorus]
It’s everything you wanted, it’s everything you don’t
It’s one door swinging open and one door swinging closed
Some prayers find an answer
Some prayers never know
We’re holding on and letting go
Yeah, letting go

It’s everything you wanted, it’s everything you don’t
It’s one door swinging open and one door swinging closed
Some prayers find an answer
Some prayers never know
We’re holding on and letting go

[Chorus]
It’s everything you wanted, it’s everything you don’t
It’s one door swinging open and one door swinging closed
Some prayers find an answer
Some prayers never know
We’re holding on and letting go.

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“@FaustinoDiBauda: Good Morning

I think the dwarves might be on set.

RG I think you maybe right this pic from Lee (Grumpy)

“@FaustinoDiBauda: Good Morning 😄@MickeyWondrland @leearenberg @gabekhouth” #StayDreamy #3MusketDwarfs All4One. pic.twitter.com/4qQ8NhJccK

— lee arenberg (@leearenberg) December 18, 2013

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RumplesGirl wrote: GAH. So many feelings about this! I love the idea. Of course they take him in. He’s lost EVERYTHING at this point

I adore this idea, too! I would love to see Snow and David reach out to Neal, their last true connection to Emma and Henry. I hope he becomes like the son they never had! They can find out more about the life Emma had growing up without them from him. I also hope that Belle and Neal form a tight familial bond and that she’ll also be like a mother/sister figure to him.

I agree RG & Slurpeez I so want to see this

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I was thinking about a spoiler image from 3×12.

Knowing what we do now about the curse, Neal returned to the Enchanted Forest with the Charmings.

I was just thinking how distinguished Neal looks in this outfit, almost like a member of the gentry class. Do you think that Charming and Snow appoint him as nobleman? He probably inherited Rumple’s dark castle and fortune. His clothing appears expensive with the fine-woven cape and leather coat, gloves and suede pants. Also, Neal’s royal blue cape is almost suggests an elevation in his status from a peasant boy to a landed gentleman, perhaps even with a title! I was also thinking about the significance in coloration of Nealfire’s brown EF costume:

Source:

The color brown is a serious, down-to-earth color signifying stability, structure and support.

Relating to the protection and support of the family unit, with a keen sense of duty and responsibility, brown takes its obligations seriously. It encourages a strong need for security and a sense of belonging, with family and friends being of utmost importance.

In the meaning of colors, brown is the color of material security and the accumulation of material possessions.

The color brown relates to quality in everything – a comfortable home, the best food and drink and loyal companionship. It is a color of physical comfort, simplicity and quality. From a negative perspective it can also give the impression of cheapness and stinginess in certain circumstances.

Brown is friendly and approachable. It is loyal, trustworthy and dependable in a practical and realistic way.

In color psychology, brown is honest, genuine and sincere. It relates to the hardworking, the industrious and reliable, with both feet planted firmly on the ground.

It is sensual, sensitive and warm, engulfing one in a feeling of calmness and comfort.
It is a practical and sensible color which implies common sense. It hides the dirt!

The color brown is associated with wholesome, natural and organic produce and anything related to the great outdoors, agriculture and farming.

Brown is a frugal color – it is not associated with frivolity, excess or waste in any form. While it is materialistic, it values quality above all else, and everything in moderation.

Some browns can show a degree of sophistication or elegance, depending on other colors associated with the brown. For example, brown with a soft white or ivory can appear stylish and classy, although more casual than black with soft white or ivory.

Brown suppresses the emotions, creating a safe haven from the stresses of the outside world within which problems can be contemplated and solved.

Brown is a color of structure, although by no means does it encourage perfectionism – rather it encourages orderliness and organization.

The color brown gives reassurance. It is quietly confident but never the life of the party! Brown does not seek attention – it prefers to stay in the background, allowing other colors around it to shine.

Brown is solid with strength and maturity. It prefers to function in its own safe little world – it is not carefree and spontaneous and doesn’t like surprises. It can be considered dull, boring and unexciting by many. In fact it is one of the least preferred colors in the western world, along with orange and yellow.

Doesn’t that description of brown line up exactly with Neal’s character? He’s loyal, sincere, warm, and practical. He doesn’t put on airs, but he looks to be a man of wealth now. He puts family first! I just wish Emma could take a gander at handsome Nealfire in his fairytale attire!

Oh Slurpeez I could see Snow & Charming taking Neal in as family because of Emma & Henry

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