[lisas]

storyteller wrote:

4) A new curse brings the aforementioned characters back to the Land w/o Magic in a re-created Storybrooke.

My theory is that this happens in 313 not 312, but yes it does happen.

RG if the SB is recreated in 313 I would be willing to bet that Hook takes Emma & Henry to EF to save her family & Neal in 312 once he restores their memories

[lisas]

lisas wrote:

I think the potion is either BF’s memory potion or one the WWW has made using the blood

That’s interesting cause in the 312 promo you do see her putting blood into some sort of vial.

My thinking RG is that WWW somehow needs Emma & Henry back with their their memories restored in order to lock in her curse and recreate Storybrooke. The Memory Potion that the BF made for Belle & Sneezy was light blue the the potion that Hook gives them is more dark bluish to purplish in color I think she took the blood from Snow, Charming & Neal because they are related by blood. I also think that by Emma & Henry drinking it that will make them residents of the Enchanted Forest and when the curse is broken this time there will be no escape they will like everyone else have to go back to the EF like Emma was meant be all along. The blood may also be a key in binding Henry to the EF so that he can remain with his entire family

Is that to off the wall

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[lisas]

Okay I’m going to lay my theory out here

I came up with this theory that the Wicked Witch needs Emma & Henry to lock the curse in somehow. She either threatens Neal, Snow & Charming or She threatens Emma & Henry either way Hook is sent back to retrieve Emma & Henry and restore their memories. I think the potion is either BF’s memory potion or one the WWW has made using the blood from Snow,Emma and Neal because they are connected to them by blood their family. I suspect once that happens Emma & Henry are brought to EF Or SB after their drinking that potion and their memories are restored they will be like everyone else in SB Cursed but it will take Emma & Henry & Neal to break the curse. I think Emma will find the scroll that she thought Regina destroyed.

I don’t think Emma & Henry can escape the effects of having to go back to the Enchanted Forest with everyone else once this curse is broken.

I suspect that the majority will take place in the EF and that WWW is running things from there

I really think that Hook will bring & Emma & Henry Back to the EF first before SB

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https://twitter.com/Jared_Gilmore/status/412833251078590465

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[lisas]

I’m up for it Matthew I say we do it every Sunday night at 8pm like always

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Another Sneak Peak http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/13/once-upon-a-time-midseason-finale-sneak-peek/

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lisas wrote:

My opinion is that I’m beginning to really think that the Storybrooke scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to the post curse days in Storybrooke after Emma broke it the original curse that Regina cast.

Emma is in SB though. We have pics of her sitting in the car with Regina. Emma was sucked into the EF like an hour after the Curse broke. It can’t be flashbacks

lisas wrote:

I think the purple smoke is a counter curse that somehow interacts with the green smoke to try and stop it but it instead of stopping it it backfires sending eveyone to the EF thus separating Emma & Henry from everyone. nd then in EF Neal wants tp go back after them but can’t because of the curse and David & Snow send Hook to wake up Emma & Henry from the curse and bring them home to the EF.

But why isn’t Hook trapped? That doesn’t work. Neither he nor Neal were affected by the Curse. This is the problem I keep saying: no theory we come up with explains everything. Neal cannot be trapped by new curse and Hook be freed because neither one of them were affected by Original!Curse

See that is what I’m having trouble with too RG you’re right Neither Emma, Henry, Neal and Hook were ever affected by the original curse Emma was already in our world just prior to the curse hitting in The Enchanted Forest, Neal was either already here in our world or in Neverland and Henry hadn’t been born yet. but once Henry was brought to Storybrooke he did live in the same kind of fog that everyone did until he got the book. I think it was the book that woke him up from the curse fog that he was living in when he was first brought to Storybrooke by Regina

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[lisas]

Okay Now after seeing the two sneak peaks for Once Upon A Time Episode 311 Going Home and the set pics for the Spring premiere Episode 312 New York City Serenade I want to put these Thoughts & Theories out there on the table

Let’s compare notes and take what we know about the original curse that Rumple designed & Regina cast in The Enchanted Forest.

1. There was a true love safety valve on the parchment Rumple told Emma & Regina this in Episode 1×22
2. Emma being the product of True Love was able to break the curse originally. Rumple said last night in 3×10 that without Emma’s parents True Love woven into it that even Emma would be powerless to break it.
3. The curse originally ripped everyone away from the Enchanted Forest brought them to Storybrooke where they didn’t know each other and had new identities and there was no magic and time stood still for 28 years until Emma broke the curse with True Love’s kiss by kissing Henry’s forehead and admitting to herself & telling Henry that she loved him when he was under the the sleeping curse.
4. In order to enact the curse Regina needed the heart of the thing she loved the most which as we know was her father
5. The curse in the Enchanted Forest that Regina cast was a cloud of black smoke that engulfed the land
6. When Emma retrieved the true love potion after killing Malificent in her dragon form Rumple dropped the potion into the well to bring Magic to Storybrooke which caused a purple cloud to engulf the entire town.

Now Let’s take what we know about Pan wanting to recast the curse in Storybrooke

1. They are all already in this land
2. Without Snow & Charming’s True Love woven into the curse this time Emma would be powerless to break it. Which means in my opinion She & Henry, Neal,etc would be all at the mercy of the curse just like everyone else in the enchanted forest was 28 years ago
3. Pan say’s that everyone would forget who they are & that time would stand still and they he & Felix would be in charge and Storybrooke would become The New Neverland.
4. We know Pan needs the heart of the thing he loves most I have to believe it would be himself or Rumple or Felix

Now what we know from the promo
1. Peter Pans Final act of Vengeance could destroy one of their own (Wide Shot) of Rumple & Pan in the shop, Rumple going to attack Pan Pan using magic to knock Rumple back
2. Grumpy running saying it’s here
3. The narrarator says Unleash a curse (Wide Shot) of Green cloud of smoke coming out of the woods
4. Every is in what appears to be a church and Charming tells everyone to run
5. A shot of the purple cloud of True Love coming through Storybrooke and The narrator saying will change the face of Storybrooke in ways no one could imagine
6. Shot of Belle Crying
7. Shot of the Charmings, Emma & Henry embracing
8. Regina saying Everyone will go back to where they’re from
9 a shot of Emma & Hook looking at each other, then a shot of Snow with her mouth covered, Charming, Emma, Neal
10. Grumpy telling our core cast that the curse is on all sides of them & everyone of the core cast plus Grumpy are in the center of Storybrooke

Now lets add in the first sneak peak we got this morning thanks to tvline.com

We know by the sneak peek the Rumple was able to switch Henry & Pan back into their own bodies and that Pan has already cast the curse.

The scene is in Rumple’s shop and that he is waiting for Pan to wake up. Pan does wake up and they talk it ends with confrontation between the two and Pan tells Rumple that he has one final lesson for him he takes the cuff off and magically puts in on Rumple effectively cutting of Rumple’s magic. Rumple goes to use the sword on Pan but Pan sends Rumple flying in the wall with things on the shelf. Rumple tells Pan “I’ve come to far for this, for them” Pan says “For your son no it’s too late soon that fine green smoke will fill their lungs and fog their brains not like the rest of this town I’m just going to take their memories no because they have special meaning to you I’m going to take their lives”

Now let’s take a look from what we know about Sneak Peek #2
1. Felix & HenPan are in the woods at the well
2. Felix says Peter Pan never ceases to amaze him by outwitting the evil queen in less then a day Impressive
3. HenPan tells Felix it’s because she loves the boy that makes her and that the well is where they will cast the curse
4. HenPan ask Felix for the ingrediants. Felix asks HenPan when it’s done will they all be dead
5. HenPan says Worse they will be slaves to this new land were making no idea who they once were Death is Final Felix. Their suffering will be eternal.
6 Everyone in the cemetary outside Regina’s vault Snow says “Another Curse it’s happening again”
7. Emmas asks Rumple “Gold this curse is it going to work like the last one ?”
8. Rumple answers her by telling all of them that the last curse was created to serve as the queens wishes this will be done per Pan’s desire I would count something else
9. Regina then says the curse was designed to be unstoppable there is nothing that can be done
10. Rumple then says that it is possible to stop it by using the scroll itself (Regina seems surprised by this) Rumple then says it can only be undone by the person who used the scroll which is Regina
11. HenPan tells Felix that “what She (Regina) did is child’s play compared to what I have in mind.” Felix says “I knew you’d win Peter Pan Never Fails”

Now let’s add in the set pics

Pan confronts everyone including Henry in the center of town (Which means they are able to successfully put Henry back in his own body) We do see in the set pics that as Pan is confronting Neal,Emma,Henry,Regina,etc in middle of the street in SB that he is indeed holding the parchment with the curse on it.
Pan & Rumple have a confrontation in the center of town
Rumple stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger
Pan reverts to his real age as Malcolm & Rumple stabs him once again with the Dark One Dagger

Taking all of these things into account plus we know about the prophecy of Rumple’s undoing and the set pics of 312 of The Enchanted Forest & New York City and now some of the set pics from 313 which does show Emma, Regina & Rebecca Mader in Storybrooke

I’m going to throw a theory out here
1. That Pan will take Felix’s heart thinking it will unleash the curse but it doesn’t
2. So he figures it’s his own heart and stages a confrontation with everyone on the pretense of still being after Henry knowing that everyone and Rumple will want to protect Henry & stop him. Rumple wanting to protect Henry stabs Pan with the Dark One Dagger, in doing that Pan becomes Malcom again and Rumple once again stabs him with the Dark One Dagger
3. Pan’s Life is somehow binded to Rumple’s which would explain why killing Pan would kill Rumple at the same time.
So here is where my theory gets interesting

I think by Rumple using the Dark One Dagger to kill Pan it enacts the curse and strips him of the Dark One Curse but it doesn’t kill him. With the curse being recast in Storybrooke this time it takes them all home to present day Enchanted Forest which could explain why we see Philip & Auroua running in the set the pics & then we get to see flashbacks to Storybrooke during pre & post Regina curse giving us a reverse of what the curse was in seasons 1 & 2 and the first half of Season 3.

Now I think the set pics in 312 of The Enchanted Forest could be real & New York City possibly fake or a flashforward with an adult Henry played by actor Chris Gorman

My opinion is that I’m beginning to really think that the Storybrooke scenes this half of the season could possibly be flashbacks to the post curse days in Storybrooke after Emma broke it the original curse that Regina cast. I’m not saying that’s the case but at least putting that possibility out there on the table because of the set pics from 313 we got last week. But, after seeing the sneak peak for Once Upon A Time Episode 311 “Going Home” and the set pics for the Spring premiere Episode 312 New York City Serenade

I want to add this into my theory put the entire theory out on floor

I think the purple smoke is a counter curse Regina & Rumple make together and that somehow interacts with the green smoke to try and stop it but it instead of stopping Pan’s curse it backfires sending eveyone to the EF except it doesn’t send Emma & Henry with them which means Emma & Henry are now separated from everyone else and in fog in NYC. Meanwhile in the Enchanted Forest Neal wants to go back after them but can’t because of the curse so David & Snow send Hook to wake up Emma & Henry from the curse and bring them home to the EF.

I believe that when Hook is sent to retrieve Emma & Henry to bring them to the Enchanted Forest that it will take the the Blood Magic that Neal & Henry both have plus Henry’s heart since he is The Truest Believer & Enmma’s Magic & the True Love kiss of Either Neal & Emma or Regina & Robin Hood that will break the curse. I have no doubt that we will see Emma and Henry both in the Enchanted Forest and reunite with Neal and everyone else there but my thinking is that everyone will still be stuck over there with no way to get back to Storybrooke. They will have to find a portal I’m still trying to figure how Rebecca Mader’s Wicked Witch character figures into things.

But as just said above what if in order to break this curse it takes Neal’s & Henry’s Blood Magic, Emma’s Magic since she is the product of True Love as we as Henry’s Belief since he has the Heart Of The Truest Believer factor add in True Loves Kiss to the equation by either Emma & Neal or Regina & Robin Hood and maybe that is what it will take to break the curse but as to how they all get back to Storybrooke is what has me stumped at the moment because we know there is no portals in The Enchanted Forest

Now my question is the cuff that Pan magically put on Rumple what has happened to him

what I can’t figure out & in regards to Hook & Emma and Henry in NYC we have Adam cryptically saying to fans “it’s not what you think” My other question where is Rumple in all of this because we don’t see him in the set pics for 312 or 313 so what is going. Does killing Pan kill Rumple because somehow their lives were bound magically together ? Did using the Dagger to kill Pan strip Rumple of the curse of him being the Dark One. Did Rumple loose his magic because of the cuff that Pan magically put on him ?

Thoughts Anyone

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lisas wrote:

I think the purple smoke is a counter curse that somehow interacts with the green smoke to try and stop it but it instead of stopping it it backfires sending eveyone to the EF thus separating Emma & Henry from everyone. and then in EF Neal wants to go back after them but can’t because of the curse and David & Snow send Hook to wake up Emma & Henry from the curse and bring them home to the EF.

But why Henry and Emma? There is no logic for who is going where, so far as I can tell. Emma was born in the EF but not cursed. Henry was born here but lived in a fogged state inside Cursed!SB. Hook is either traveling between worlds (but why the change in clothing) OR he stays in SB with Emma, but why? He was born in the EF but stayed int he bubble.

I know RG that’s what I can’t figure out & in regards to Hook & Emma and Henry in NYC we have Adam cryptically saying to fans “it’s not what you think” My other question where is Rumple in all of this because we don’t see him in the set pics for 312 or 313 so what is going. Does killing Pan kill Rumple because somehow their lives were bound magically together ? Did using the Dagger to kill Pan strip Rumple of the curse of him being the Dark One. Did Rumple loose his magic because of the cuff that Pan magically put on him ?

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[lisas]

After seeing the sneak peak this morning I want to put this theory out there now

I think the purple smoke is a counter curse that somehow interacts with the green smoke to try and stop it but it instead of stopping it it backfires sending eveyone to the EF thus separating Emma & Henry from everyone. nd then in EF Neal wants tp go back after them but can’t because of the curse and David & Snow send Hook to wake up Emma & Henry from the curse and bring them home to the EF.

I believe that when Hook is sent to retrieve Emma & Henry to bring them to the Enchanted Forest that it will take the the Blood Magic that Neal & Henry both have plus Henry’s heart since he is The Truest Believer & Enmma’s Magic & the True Love kiss of Either Neal & Emma or Regina & Robin Hood that will break the curse

Now my question is the cuff thast Pan magically put on Rumple what has happened to him

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