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Neal sacrificed his memories for Emma. Which proves his love for her was true just as her love for him is as well. The SwanFire Necklace(Which survived the trip with Neal back to the Enchanted Forest & Being with him while merged into Rumple’s body & the dark curse that brought them all back to Storybrooke), & Henry who is not only the son of the Savior & but also the son of the reason for the original curse the Heart Of The Truest Believer were both born out of their true love for one another and the makes Henry just as powerful as Snow’s new baby & his mother Emmma. I think that even makes that SwanFire Necklace something equally powerfull and if no one can not see that then they are totally not watching the same show we have been for the last 3 seasons.

Am I still upset with the Dead is Dead comment made by Adam & Eddy regarding Neal’s death yes because of the scene of using David’s heart to cast the curse and then splitting Snow’s heart in two in order to bring back David.

The way I see it if Adam & Eddy and their team of writers can come up with that kind of an unbelievable loophole to allow Charming to live then it seems to me that They can come up with something just as unbelievable to bring back Neal.

Now I am more convinced then ever that Neal’s death WAS NOT Story Driven as Adam & Eddy claim. It’s obvious to me it was done so that they could try and sell CaptainSwan. Which is is something I WILL NEVER ACCEPT!!!!!!

I made this after watching 3×19 A Curious Thing. Notice Emma is wearing the SF Necklace

[lisas]

I need it to be Sunday. I need it to be Sunday so we can see who cast this stupid thing. I HATE..no..LOATHE..the idea that Neal sacrificed his own heart to cast the curse. Because everyone will take it be “oh look. Neal’s a villain!!! And Hook’s the hero!!” But if Hook is the one who casts it, “it was an act of love!!” Double standards piss me the frack off. And I know that it’s going to happen that way. At this point, make Charming do it to save us MORE character defamation because YEAH the guy who ran from magic is WHOLE life cast the DArk Curse.

RG I agree 100%

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I don’t think Henry will become a Flying Monkey because there is pics of Jared in 320. https://www.flickr.com/photos/110865913@N05/sets/72157641937306513

But I do think Zelena sends the Flying Monkey to bring Henry to her when he is out with Hook & Smee.
I suspect this will prompt Hook into telling Emma what Zelena did to him & her threat to Henry & her parents if Hook didn’t comply with what Zelena wanted him to do.
I think Zelena will try to kill Henry but will not be successful due to a plan between Emma,Regina, The Charmings, Hook.

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Ah OK. Well the rest of my comment still stands, that if someone other than Zelena cast the Curse, Hook’s the only one acting shady enough to really be a candidate.

I agree Phee Hook’s behavior most definitely is questionable enough which makes me believe he could have been tricked by Zelena to unknowingly cast this new curse. I think we can agree that losing The Jolly Roger was the price he had to pay for what ever it was he did whether knowingly or unknowingly but one thing is obvious that whatever it was that Hook did he does feel guilt just like we saw in regards to his past with Ariel in 317 The Jolly Roger.

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Just got two comments…

That quote from that K&H interview from several pages back is SO COMPLETELY EFFING ABSURD, they’re lucky they didn’t say it to me because I’d have torn them new ones.

Secondly, Artseediva, I don’t think that theory is completely crack. As far as we’ve seen, Zelena loved no one, and they’ve said in an interview that the same curse casting rules apply, to sacrifice the thing you love most. I dunno that she had any love left for her father, she seemed pretty full of contempt when she spoke about him to Rumple. Dunno if she could use a Monkey heart because they’re like trained circus animals who have no choice but to be loyal, different to how Felix chose to be loyal to Pan. It doesn’t seem like she’s ever had a romantic TL based on what we’ve seen. She loves Rumple in a messed up way, but he’s still alive, so he wasn’t sacrificed. (Ooooohhh *lightbulb* I wonder if that’s why she wants the baby, so there’s someone she can love unconditionally which means she’ll have someone to sacrifice in order to be able to cast the Curse when she gets her do-over.)

But they’ve shown us that Hook loves his ship more than anything, apart from Emma. He values that ship over the lives of others. His love for it is unconditional. And now it’s missing, and he won’t say why, and everyone’s cursed again and that got him back to Emma. It does seem suspicious, and if DOES end up being the case, boyfriend will have a hefty price to pay for using that magic.

Phee You are totally right about the comment from Horowitz & Kitsis being absolutely effing absurd. Do they not even remember their own comments anymore ? Oh wait I’ve got it it’s selective memory on their part. I was over on facebook last night for a bit in the SwanFire & NealFire group over there and gal was loofking for a tweet from Adam during the hiatus where he told the SF fans to have hope. Because apparently he was asking for proof that he said anything. I assume a fan called him out on it

Now I got to thinking about Neal and Hook’s talk in 315 especially Hook’s behavior which was odd.

First 315 Hook finally tells them at Granny’s that he has an inkling that Neal may have had a hand in bringing back Rumple. Now I have to ask if he knew something Why didn’t he tell Emma right away ? Hook knew that Emma & The Charmings were concerned about Neal and what could have happened to him in 313, 314. So Why wait until 315 to say anything. In 315 Neal says thank you to Hook for getting the message to Emma together to come back. If you notice Neal never mentions the memory potion. So let’s say Rumple/Neal managed to break free from Zelena long enough for Neal to come out and to get to Hook to in order to warn him about Zelena’s plan and to go get Emma because she is theonly one who can stop her. I think it could be fair to say that Hook may seen that horrible transformation between Neal & Rumple which resulted in Rumple then coming out and before he could produce a potion for Hook to give Emma & Henry to restore their memories Zelena most likely found them on The Jolly Roger which could explain the BTS pics we got of Rumple, Hook, Zelena together. I’ll even go one better I’d be willing to bet that Zelena may have had Hook cast her curse unknowingly. Zelena could have told him anything like he gives up the thing he loves the most his ship The Jolly Roger & she helps him get to Emma with the promise that he doesn’t say anything about Neal & Rumple now being one person. Which could explain Hook’s odd behavior towards Neal in their scene at the hospital especially that hug he gave to Neal. It was almost if Hook knew that Neal wouldn’t want to be kept alive inside Rumple and that it would take Emma to separate them which could cost Neal his life.”

One thing is certain Hook’s demeanor points towards someone who is being plagued by guilt.

Now I threw this little thing out in chat last night especially in light after hearing that Zelena taunts Rumple about finding Neal again.

So now I have a crack theory

I got to thinking what if sometime between the time Emma left Rumple with Neal’s body & the time Time that Zelena found him. That Rumple put some kind of preservation spell on Neal’s body similar to the type of spell Regina had on Daniel’s body in the EF and on Henry in Neverland. I got to thinking that if that was the case then maybe the whole life for a life trade at the dark one vault could have meant Neal’s soul/spirit would take the place of the dark one inside the dark one vault. I got to thinking a way to bring back Neal if they chose to do that would be to trade someone’s life either to use Zelena or maybe even having Hook make a noble sacrifice to take Neal’s place in the vault to save Emma, Henry, etc from Zelena to make things right for everyone which would lend credence to his poster Believe That A Pirate Can Become A Hero and Neal’s poster Believe In Second Chances. The Second Chances part could mean a variety of things ranging from a Second Chance with his father Rumple or A Second Chance with Emma & Henry

I realize this is theory is flawed but hey I’d rather believe in something that could be a possible solution for them to bring Neal back then in this idea of us having no hope at all.

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Ok just read a great Blog and all I can say is I agree with all this and more

I know 3a and b were always supposed to be two separate stories but there should still be threads that connect them. They’re still two halves of a whole. There should be something there. So many things just don’t add up. Mostly Swanfire stuff, I admit, but I don’t understand putting that stuff there if there was never going to be a follow up.

If Neal was always intended to die why did Emma carry his sword? Why “I’ll never stop fighting or you?” Why have Emma declare she had always loved him and probably always would. Why have Snow parallel herself and Charming to Emma and Neal? Why have Charming encourage Emma to meet Neal in the diner? Why “Believe in Second Chances?” Why Charley’s Girl and New York? So many whys.

I know I have Swanfire colored glasses on but these things aren’t interpretations. (Though I suppose you could argue the Snow and Charming parts.) Its all there in the writing. There was implication it was headed somewhere. It might not have been headed to reconciliation (though I think it was) but at least it was heading towards a future of healthy co parenting. Something is rotten somewhere, imho.

http://magicallyevelicious.tumblr.com/post/83253079089/fromtheashess-i-know-3a-and-b-were-always

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Seriously. NOW Bobby tweets that he’ll miss MRJ? Because someone sent a video??

I have questions, actors. I have many questions.

You’re not the only with questions RG

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[lisas]

Okay. Raise your hand if you are now suspicious that actors of coming out of the woodwork.

Onyx wrote:

You know what else I’m really tired of? Plot devices. Even typing down the words makes me feel exhausted. I don’t know why I still care. I’m probably foolishly holding on to the hope that there is one character out there they will not screw up (for the sake of plot).

I hate them as well.

I don’t know about anyone else here guys but this mysterious reply tweet to Mikey from Bobby just screams conspiracy theory to me. So RG is there room for one more on this conspiracy theory train ? If so I say All Aboard.

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RG I’ll join you at the bar. I’m sobbing uncontrollably over us losing Neal. Emma & Neal never being able to find their happy ending with their son Henry as well as Henry never getting to really know his father and how much Neal loved him and Emma.

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lecygne wrote:

They can’t bring him back. The 250 Swanfire fans are the only people who remember him. Writers, actors, characters, and viewers have already forgotten him… Unless they’re CS fans who hated him, in which case they would revolt if he returned.

Which means Henry never gets any kind of closure at all.

Then if that’s the case then there is something seriously wrong with not only both Adam & Eddy but the rest of the cast as well.

No one will ever be able to convince me that Neal’s death was story driven. I’m sorry for any CS Fans reading this but this was fan pandering plain & simple by ABC who more then likely interfered in the show and leaned on Adam & Eddy to change their story.

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