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Do you guys think Hook might make another confession to Emma, or will Emma figure out that he’s missing his heart and he won’t need to confess?
I would like if he did but my thinking was that since Rumple knew he left that message he would command Killian not to tell Emma anything about their dealings. That is how it works with the heart right? They can tell them to do (or not do something) and they have to follow that instruction until that person doesn’t have their heart anymore?
[adrotate group="5"]I loved that episode! Wow that was crazy though. My thoughts are a huge jumble.
I have to admit that I am kind of liking that Rumple is back to his old self. I think both Regina and Rumple being fully redeemed would make the story a little boring. I also think freedom from the dagger (especially after he had been Zelena’s slave) was a realistic reason for him to risk everything. That being said how dare he pick on CS! 😛 I find it interesting that he told the Snow Queen he only had to betray Emma (and SQ) in order to get what he wants…. like if Belle found out she wouldn’t feel betrayed? Or killing the mother of his grandson, the woman his son loved isn’t a betrayal of the memory of Neal? Just shows the level of rationalization he has reached. I also think its crazy that he thinks he could get away with something like that and not be caught. Perhaps them not finding out about his murder of Zelena has made him that much bolder.
Killy finally telling Emma! Too bad she will never hear that message…. Obisgirl I like your theory on Killian and the new curse coming. Obviously Emma noted that something was off with him already but I think something more needs to happen for her to know he is missing his heart.
I liked that Elsa went after Emma. I think its nice for Emma to actually have a true friend. I am sorry but what is with the Charmings lately? They keep making bad parenting decisions. I can’t believe they were actually okay originally letting Emma lose her powers.
I liked the convos between Regina and Snow. I think it is nice that they actually TALK now. This is going to get me in trouble with the OQers but I did not like the Robin/Regina plot in this episode. I do want them to get together but the whole situation just felt off to me.
I think the Snow Queen is kind of being overshadowed by Rumple a bit. Not sure why when it didn’t work with Elsa/Anna that she thinks her curse is going to work to turn Emma to her. Its not like if she turns from her family she has to turn to the SQ.
Well… here comes another curse cloud. Have to wait an extra week urgggh.
I have been kind of meh with the last two episodes. I am disappointed that Killian hasn’t said anything to Emma yet about the Rumple blackmail situation. Like most of you I did not like the Regina/Emma interactions in last week’s episode. Regina was better in this one though.
So I did not like the Belle stuff at all. I thought her keeping the secret about Anna was way out of character (especially for so long). I thought it kind of ironic that all the horrible stuff the mirror was telling her was pretty much true though maybe that was the point. I also can’t believe she still hasn’t figured out she has the fake dagger. She kept yelling let go and he didn’t! Belle is one of my favorite Disney princesses and I have not really liked the OUAT version of the character. I also thought the way her mom died was pretty stupid. Saving books? I was hoping there was more to the story but I guess not.
I am liking the Snow Queen as a villain to a degree. I like that she has that creepy calm brand of crazy versus the overemotional Zelena one. I also like that Rumple does seem to have some fear/respect for her powers. What I REALLY like is all the mystery surrounding her. How did she get to our world w/o the curse? What happened to the middle sister? What did she do to Anna? etc. I am not fully buying into her reason for being a villain though. I understand that she is supposed to be crazy but the whole I am going to destroy an entire town of people so I can have a family that loves me for who I am thing seems off to me. I had this problem with Zelena though too. I am hoping there is more behind that prophecy.
I am spoiled now.. not enough Captain Swan 😛 I can’t really come up with any theories on why Colin hasn’t been seen filming other than the Snow Queen did something to him and he is out of commission until she is defeated. I would be shocked if he died both for plot reasons as well as network reasons. I really doubt it. I am hoping the Rumple blackmail discussion comes up soon.
Great meta Obisgirl! I really liked this part:
It’s also interesting to note when Hook showed up at the loft to pick up Emma, the first thing she noticed was how he was dressed and didn’t spot the hand until Mary Margaret noticed it. I think this also shows a level of comfortability; that the hook, regardless if Killian has it or not, she accepts it as a part of him. – See more at: http://obisgirl.tumblr.com/post/100678266102/its-difficult-to-write-a-meta-now-three-days
The hook really doesn’t seem to bother Emma. The fact that he had his hook back the next day seemed to be glossed over like it was no big deal. I also really liked that you pointed out that he was willing to lose his hand (again) in order to still be the man that he thinks Emma deserves.
Thank you everyone for the well wishes 🙂 Both baby and I are doing fine though I am of course just a wee bit more tired these days haha.
Loving all the new pretties in the thread! I missed Killian raising his eyebrows at Charming as him and Emma walked out the door haha.
Regarding Rumbelle… I have never been a big fan of the pairing and my main reason is because it falls into the typical woman trying to change man relationship. She wants him to be “good” but he will never truly be good until he really wants it and that isn’t going to happen until he values love above his magic. I do feel sorry for her since at this point he has completely manipulated her to think that it is the case. Proposing by giving her a fake dagger was pretty awful. I forget who said it but I agree that I think the writers are trying to draw a contrast between Killian and Rumple and their respective relationships.
Is it true that Colin hasn’t been seen filming with Emma lately? I have been trying to avoid spoilers this time around but now I am paranoid 😛
With regards to the “was the hand really cursed” topic from earlier, I have to agree with the double bluff theory. For practical reasons, there is just no way that a guy who’s been using his right hand for the last 300 years is all of a sudden going to start using his left to punch anyone.
That is a really good point! I didn’t even think of that.
I loved Emma’s dress for the date. I have heard some people say it is OOC but I think that was the point. It was so pretty and feminine.
Interesting news about 4×08….
@emmajones @lumee23 @sweetgrass @polythenepam havent been around in a while either… @Jennifer @CaptainEala @Kelli Adkins @jenven @Aurora @rogvortex58 @moraha @Vanessa @zoeandnimo left last season (along with a flood of others) thanks to all the CS/Hook hate & @rumplegoldfan cant get onto the CS thread- it comes up as hieroglyphics for her … seems this site has been hemorrhaging positive fans
I’m here!!! Just had a baby so I have reverted back to lurking for a bit. I also couldn’t get onto the forum for awhile because it was just gibberish whenever I clicked onto a thread but that seems to be resolved now.
I am loving this season so far!
This episode wasn’t what I was expecting but I thought it was very good. I thought the Charmings pre/post date were perfect. I was happy to see that Snow is still into experiencing these firsts with Emma even though they have another child now. I do hope Snow gets to spend more time with Killian like Charming has.
So what is the consensus on the hand? Was it actually cursed and Rumple is playing mind games telling him it wasn’t so Hook thinks he hasn’t changed deep down? Or is Hook still having these pirate-y urges that he is apparently suppressing? I think Rumple is messing with his mind and he did curse the hand but that might just be my optimism/Hook favoritism.
Hook blackmailing Rumple is obviously not nice but his intentions are a lot more honorable than Rumple. I think its a pretty stark contrast that Hook blackmailed Rumple to do things for Emma while Rumple is blackmailing Hook in order to increases his magic powers behind Belle’s back. Power is still more important to Rumple than love is. I wonder if he will be the big bad for 4B.
Hook and Emma’s date was super cute. I loved that she let Will run off and prioritized her date. I hope though that Hook doesn’t keep his interactions with Rumple a secret for long. I think this is a good test for their relationship so I hope they pass :P. I think Emma would understand his actions up to this point but if he continues to do bad things for Rumple because of the blackmail it will be harder and harder for her to give him a pass. He needs to be able to trust her with the truth.
All this CS is making me spoiled 🙂
I loved this episode and I love this season so far!! Honestly I was a bit worried about them bringing in the Frozen element but I like that Elsa became part of the group so early in the season and that there is this big mystery about the Snow Queen that even involves Emma.
CS has been perfect! It hasn’t been rushed this season which is realistic to Emma’s character. The promo for 4×04 made me squee 🙂
I wonder if Hook is going to continue to blackmail Rumple and that is how he gets his hand back. Would definitely be a dangerous move to keep pushing Rumple.
So that was an amaaaazing episode (especially for CS)!!!! I am so glad they did the two episodes in a row because I would not have been able to handle waiting a week in between.
The opening got me immediately with the flashback to Emma’s childhood as teenage(?) Emma watched a young girl presumably get adopted while she was left behind for what I am assuming was the umpteenth time since older kids rarely get adopted. So sad 🙁
Though she didn’t seem to be acting that way at the end of 3A the whole running away to see if she misses it thing I thought worked well. I figured this time because of the false memories she had something to run to, something she did miss even if it was fake, while at the end of 3A she hadn’t experienced a simple life with Henry yet.
Overall I felt like this episode was focused all about Emma and her decisions NOT revolving around Killian. What I mean is that she gave an alternative reason for wanting to leave rather than being afraid to be in a relationship with Killian. She didn’t get her magic back from TLK but rather from internally coming to grips with her feelings regarding her family.. etc. I wasn’t disappointed because that is a much stronger word but just a little bummed/surprised that he wasn’t more of a *direct* cause of things. At the same time though I think overall that this was a much better development of her character and keeps Emma/Killian more independent as individuals than Snowing. He was also obviously right there supporting her, calling her out as needed, etc.
A few quibbles due to my personal headcanon – I was hoping for something like a “why did you follow me?” when Emma realized Killian was in the past with her too. I guess she assumed he got pulled in not by choice. I was also hoping for Killian to openly display missing his ship more to re-emphasize what he gave up for her. I am surprised he didn’t have more “feels” seeing it again.
They really made us wait for that kiss all the way to the end haha (I don’t count Emma kissing past Hook :P). It was glorious though! Sooo happy 🙂 I did notice the cuts they did with the Rumbelle wedding as well and was really happy about that. Despite making us wait all of the little touches, the dancing, etc was just wonderful throughout the episode. Normally he is very much in her personal space but they rarely touch so that was nice to see. She was also so open to him the whole episode… even in the beginning before they dropped into the past portal when she was talking about finding home. Jealous Killian punching himself was awesome! I am okay with no ILY, no TLK, etc. Him giving up his ship was as strong as an demonstrative ILY can be w/o saying it. TLK will be come up next season I am sure.
I hope they don’t fast forward time at all and the jump between S3 and S4 is just like S2 to S3 where it is literally no time passing in between. I want to see CS in their full on honeymoon phase.
So I feel bad for OQ shippers but I think most people were waiting for the other shoe to drop. Emma made the right choice but no surprise that Regina is going to hate her for it. My thing is that the Tinkerbell/Robin/Regina thing happened BEFORE he was with Marian so OQ is destined for one another. This is just going to be drama angst HOPEFULLY just for the sake of drama angst. Personally I really don’t want to see Regina go “bad” again since they took her as far as wielding light magic. I wonder if the past is going to “catch up” and Marian is going to die anyway somehow.
The Rumbelle wedding was sweet but overshadowed by Rumple’s continued lies. I do have to wonder if he is going to get away with it though since he got around Zelena being dead. He may have gotten too greedy by not switching the fake knife with the real knife after he did what he wanted to do. Belle keeps trying to give it back to him so he is voluntarily perpetuating the deceit. I really don’t get it. If I was a Rumbelle fan I would be pretty disappointed overall.
I feel like a jerk saying this but I did not like the baby being named Neal. I see what they were trying to do but it just comes off as awkward. I would have preferred Baelfire if they really wanted to honor him. At least that is a different name than what Emma is used to referring to Neal as. I did like Rumple’s subtle acknowledgement of the honor.
What do you all think of the Elsa reveal? I love Frozen but this seems just like an opportunity to leech some of the popularity from the movie while it is still possible. I will of course wait and give it a chance though. Maybe Elsa freezes Emma’s heart and Killian has to TLK it away 😛 I am assuming her beef is gonna be with Rumple though. Perhaps she gets the (fake) dagger from Belle and that is how she finds out Rumple tricked her.
Gonna be a loooooong hiatus!
Btw maybe they are out there but I am surprised I haven’t seen a gif of Emma seducing past Hook rubbing his hook with Jen’s quote from an interview about the hook. Hehe
I never liked Milah. She should have taken ownership of her decision at the get go instead of hiding behind Hook and letting him pretend he was “taking” her.
I guess it really depends on what your definition of villain is. If it is anybody that does anything bad or cruel then I could see Hook being a villain because he did do some bad things to Belle in his effort to target Rumple. I don’t take that broad of a definition though so I never really thought of him as one. Tamara and Greg are more villain-y than Hook since they were willing to wipe out an entire population based on a “holy war.” It is all interpretation though. I think though regardless it is fair to say that if Regina who slaughtered an entire village can earn redemption and wield light magic, than Hook certainly can.
On a more positive note…. 22 more minutes for EST!!!!! Squeeeeeeeeeeee 😀
I hope all you mommies had a wonderful mother’s day!
