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I’m pretty much done now, thank you MRJ for finally putting to rest and for sealing the deal at having me let go of OUAT.
[adrotate group="5"]I just heard from Daniel. He’s going to make sure I am there to talk about Neal’s death from a Neal fan and a SF perspective.
OMG Thank you RG! I wish you the best on the podcast.
I get that it’s just a show, I get that people die for no apparent reason sometimes. But the whole principle of the matter is so royally screw up, especially on a show that shoves Happy Endings down out throats. Some people get happy endings I get it but the whole equilibrium of who gets happy endings is what’s really grates my teeth. All three 3 main “former” villians gets second chances at life and love and I’ve hardly ever see good guys get anything worth wild.
They strung Meghan along though, didn’t officially cut her even when her screentime decreased. An actual character death is a whole different situation where someone is very definitely off the cast roster from a specific date. Granted, maybe he’ll be seen at the funeral, but the only person we’ve seen with an open casket before was Blue. And if as some suspect, he wanted out, I dunno that they’d have an open casket that required him to hang around for longer, they’d just have that thing closed so he could get outta there after shooting 315.
I love that you have hope Phee… and that’s an excellent point you’ve made. It makes me feel better even though I’m willing to let Neal go. It makes the pain easier to handle. Either way when the season is officially done, we’ll know soon enough if Neal is gone for good. All I need is some answers from A&E at this point.
I’m binge watching Terriers this week
SAME. I need something cheerful right now. If MRJ is really gone I wish him luck in finding way better material then what he was given in OUAT. I’ll follow him wherever he goes. He manage to impress me in True Blood and cemented my loyalty from Terriers.
I don’t think I need to explain to everyone just how much I hated this episode. Not because of Neal’s death but because of the way they assassinated his good character that he has had for 300 YEARS and made his death a plot contrivance!
Hey guys….Hugs to you all…because it’s just been a painful night. Just catching up… Sorry if this is going to be a bit long. But I just want to put out all of my thoughts, after calming down a bit. I haven’t had much sleep last night because I was so distraught, so much so that I actually took sick from work today. Everything from last night just hurts and it didn’t help that I was unable to finish my freelance work because of it hence taking my sick day to finish and cry to myself at home.
^^^Accurate portrayal of my face at this very moment.
I feel so foolish and silly because it’s just a damn show and I’ve never reacted to something like this, EVER. But I’ll admit it shook me to my core. I knew Neal’s death was a possibility but never have I thought they would create such a cop out way to end his character that pretty much destroyed the whole core of the show in the process. I think this is why I’m so numb at the moment, the disbelief that they cut the cord to his character in the WORST WAY POSSIBLE. No resolution, no build up, no grand finale, nothing! I also think I wouldn’t be nearly as upset if they didn’t have the principles that the show pushes in our faces almost every single episode then have it completely thrown out the window. It was as if they dangled and teased HOPE and SECOND CHANCES in front of us only to rip it away so cruelly.
I remember Emma’s line in Season 1: “Not having a Happy Ending is painful enough. Giving someone unrealistic hope is far worse.” WOW what a way for the writer’s to slap the audience’s face on how true I feel that sentence is now. That’s the main reason why I’m so embittered.
Right now I want to believe that maybe just maybe there’s some reason why they did this so soon in the season to bring Neal back later, but I feel too scared to have hope and to have a tv show do that to me is just disturbing, especially a family show. I just want the cast and crew to address this episode so that I can move on.People are saying it was a good episode. It was alright acting wise but everything else was such a cop out in the lowest of levels. I didn’t think they could stoop this low from “Selfless Brave and True”, but wow they actually showed me that they can! It has its moments but none of them meant anything since THERE WAS NO BUILD UP TOWARDS ANYTHING! Hook’s apology to Belle was half-ass, don’t even get me started on CaptainFire. Of all times to have it, it had to be Neal’s death episode, which was such a slap in the face since I didn’t even hear Hook apologizing for selling Bae to Pan! A last ditch effort to make Hook look half way decent at the last moment, when it actually made him look worse in my eyes.
Ok trying to write up something a bit more positive….
The only scene I had the heart to re-watch was this moment right here:
Out of everything from the episode however short changed it was, I’m glad that we got this brief moment. The moment they were together they instantly lit up. The only saving grace was JMO and MRJ’s acting. This is what True Love is. Making the person you love smile a real smile even after all the hurt and pain that they’ve gone through. Being so comfortable and close to each other as if they were your second skin. And Neal putting his best feet forward in being concerned about EMMA’s wellbeing and happiness not his own. It speaks volumes on what LOVE actually is. Neal will always be 1000x time the man then any other character on the show. That scene I will forever hold dear to my heart if Neal is really dead and gone forever.Q: Also question I have, maybe it’s already been brought up. I’ve re-watched some scenes but Neal actually Thanked Hook for getting the message to Emma to come back to Storybrooke. Was it Neal who sent the message to Hook? I was a little confused by this. Does this mean Neal knows more then he’s letting on? It was odd since he said he doesn’t remember anything from the past year.
Thank you OUAT for crushing my dreams of a better life, giving me false hope, and teaching me that doing good deeds will get me killed in the end.
I’m pretty much done for tonight, Good night everyone
Maybe I’ll be calmer tomorrow…
Not the ship, that’s its own issue, but OUAT jumped the shark tonight. A show about happy endings, second chances, hope and true love… showing that life sucks & then ya die. How do you trust them about anything, again, ever?
This is why I feel such anger right now. We were robbed of proper character developments all for sake of rushing the plot. I can’t even…
This was my go to show to escape mundane life. To finally have a show be fun and light-hearted and hopeful to watch. I have to say that this is even WORSE the watching Game of Thrones. Because the show tries to show us love and happy endings and second chances for EVERYONE, only to have the one character that actually deserved a second chance die in front of us. Have the carpet rip from under us. I feel like it was all a lie and that they’re laughing at us.
I feel like whenever the writers say HOPE now, I’m trying to holding myself back from doing something painful to them. There is no message of hope in this show at all. Not when a selfless character suffers all his life then dies for a convoluted plot device.
I need some fanfiction right now to re-write A&E horrible mess up. Or my own little headcanon where they actually follow through what they’ve been saying in season 1. Or maybe just maybe they are toying with us and they’ll resurrect Neal. I’m still waiting for answers on how they handled this.
I’ve had some time to rethink the episode and I still think it’s terrible writing. I’m really disappointed in the way the writers have handled this episode. If MRJ really wanted to leave the show, there were other ways to write it. I was very sad, when Rumple died, but his death had so much meaning, and was beautifully written. His arc had come to a close. He saved his family and he had a happy ending because he knew his son would live and be able to find happiness. If Neal had died in a different way I would of still been very sad about this, but I could accept it easier. Things that could of made this episode better– 1. Having more Neal/Henry scenes prior to this episode—have we even gotten any because besides Manhattan?- I can’t remember–even in Neverland when Neal rescues Henry, he is asleep and doesn’t remember–I feel like Henry hasn’t even gotten a chance to know his father which is terrible 2. Building up CaptainFire before this episode. While I do like CaptainFire it felt a little sudden in this episode–they could of shown Hook being more worried about Neal and they also could of let them have a reconciliation scene in the year back in the EF. ALso, they could of downplayed the love triangle nonsense we got in Neverland–having Hook and Neal put their differences inside to find Henry 3. Having Neal die twice—seriously???? Henry just mourned his father in 2×22 and now he has to mourn him again? If the writers were planning to kill him off they could of had him die in 2×22–given more Rumple/Neal’s scenes in season 2, more Henry scenes in season 2 and having Neal die saving Emma’s life instead of falling though a portal 4. Death could of been saved for the finale-3×22. Neal reunites with Henry in 3×15 and on, they bond, etc. In the end 3x22Neal saves the town , etc–dying a hero or protecting Henry–example witch attempts to hurt Henryto get to Regina–Neal somehow stops her and gets hurt instead. 5. Having Neal enact a dark ritual? I thought he hated magic—surely he would consider all paths and consequences before doing a ritual–he is Rumple’s son. He is not stupid–he knows all magic comes with a price and wouldn’t just blindly do a ritual he knows nothing about 6.Emma separates Neal and Rumple. I know Emma is powerful and all, but really? How would she even know how to do that. She couldn’t even make a fire without help from Regina–felts very plot devicey There are so many ?? that will also never be answered now. What was Neal’s job in NY? How did Pinnochio know who he was? I feel like this episode left us with many unanswered questions. I also thought a big theme behind the show was Rumple’s journey to find his son and be a better man and be with his family.
^^^^ALL OF THIS
What upset everyone the most was HOW it was handled. I can accept Neal’s death if it gave a real meaning and closure and it was built up to his last episode but it wasn’t and it didn’t delivery, only the acting delivered it. And that’s what aggravates me right now. I’ve manage to stop crying and now it’s just have anger steaming from me.
Who will still watch? I don’t think I can do it.
I don’t know if I can do it either. I might just read the posts or download it when I have nothing else to watch. But catching it on Sundays is not a priority for me anymore…Not when they ended a character in the worse way possible…
But I don’t think I’ll abandon this board. You guys have been so wonderful! Even if I lose OUAT I don’t wanna lose you guys! *HUGS*
