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@PriceofMagic wrote:
@magic bean wrote:
And this is completely off topic, but I was wondering..do you think that Rumple actually loved Milah? Because I don’t know if his anger at Hook is because he (in his eyes) took Milah away from his son, or took his wife that he loved. 😕
I think Rumple was more angry that Hook took Milah away from Bae. Rumple considered himself unlovable so Milah leaving him was probably to be expected. However, her leaving Bae was unforgivable. Rumple always brings up Bae and how Milah left him whenever Milah comes up in conversation.
Yeah same, and I think in the scene where he kills Milah he was blaming her for his guilt in letting Bae go..
[adrotate group="5"]@BeastWhisperer wrote:
If the revelation were of no importance there would be no reason for the show to establish Hook’s ignorance of the history between Cora and Regina. Instead they insert an exchange that has all the subtlty of an anvil. Knowing that Cora rips out hearts isn’t the same as knowing that she did exactly the same thing that Rumps did to him to her own daughter of all people. Realizing that he’s helping the woman who did to Regina what Rumple did to him shows Hook just how blind and twisted his quest for vengeance has become. If that doesn’t put a new perspective on his actions for him than I don’t think anything will. That is still a possibility, but I strongly suspect he will turn against Cora.
Hook is not a fan of Regina either…and don’t forget Regina did to Graham the same thing Rumple did to Milah (even the same circumstances) so that’s what he’s going to connect more with
@EvilQueen wrote:
a) He’s not going to die
b) If he were to die, not only he wouldn’t become all of the sudden an angel but also he would reunite with Milah so why the heck he would think of guarding Emma?Agree with this, right now he is intrigued by Emma but doesn’t really have feelings for her…yet
Plus there's a sneak peek out he's not dead…Plus he's a series regular they won't kill him off
@jessista wrote:
magic bean– The only things I can think of are his “friendship” with Emma and his helping her with the beanstalk thing, and perhaps his love for Milah (which we haven’t seen much of). Do you think his relationship with Emma will be his redemption? I could see that in a way, but I feel like the character would need more back story before that would happen realistically. I mean, we didn’t feel for Rumple really until we knew about his son Bae and his love for Belle, so maybe there will be some sort of episode giving him something along those lines. I seem to agree that Hook is for Hook and no one else, and wants nothing more than to destroy Rumple.
I think that’s the way they are setting things up, all the parallels are there for a reason and both Eddy and Adam have stated he was telling the truth when he told Emma he wouldn’t have betrayed her.. They are kindred souls after all.. If you look at it from his side of things
He is not a bad guy, deep down.. He’s just a broken man who has made bad decisions and has been moved by this need to avenge the woman he loved.. We saw on Sunday’s episode how much he loved Milah..From what we’ve seen he’s the most easily redeemed of the shows “villains”, the only person we’ve seen him kill is claude, he never raped anyone, yes he took aurora’s heart (and that was not good) but he gave it back, he didn’t care about archie being gone from his ship
Hook is the mask that Killian is hiding behind.. The man who just wants revenge
@Phee wrote:
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Hook is not on anyone’s side but his own. He teams up with whichever side benefits him most. He would’ve preferred to team up with Emma because she was heading to Storybrooke and he considered her safer company than Cora. Had Emma not left him at the top of the beanstalk, Hook probably wouldn’t have gone back to Cora.
Agreed. I’m wondering if perhaps he was really relieved to have had another option pop up in Emma and Co, because it meant that once he got to SB, he wouldn’t have Cora around with her own agenda there cramping his style.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he joins TeamCharmings in the near future. As long as they can learn to trust him, he’d be a valuable tool in their fight against Cora.
Yes!! I think that’s what they are leading up to, He’s most likely going to team up with team charming… especially since Rumple is going to be with Cora
@obisgirl wrote:
@magic bean wrote:
And this is completely off topic, but I was wondering..do you think that Rumple actually loved Milah? Because I don’t know if his anger at Hook is because he (in his eyes) took Milah away from his son, or took his wife that he loved. 😕
I don’t know. Very good question though. I think it was the first, although there could have been a time that he loved Milah too.
I think he cared about Milah but didn’t love her..
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Causing Belle to lose her memory is actually crueller than killing her. Whereas Hook lost Milah and her dying words were “I love you”, Rumple has lost Belle yet has to see her walk around with no memory of him or their love. He’s so close yet so far from her. Hook wanted Belle to lose her memory because he wanted to make Rumple suffer.
Yes and Hook wants Rumple to suffer like he had..remember he’s been carrying this weight around for at least 300 years, he wants Rumple to suffer like he did…But there’s the thing that Belle’s memory CAN be fixed, and it will be fixed but Milah can’t come back..Dead is Dead
Well I disagree with you but that’s what these forums are for if we’d all have the same idea it would be boring..
About the Your Heart is Rotten…it’s because Hook does think his heart is rotten not literally but figuratively
He didn’t try to defend himself because he felt like he deserved to die, he’s not afraid of death he welcomes it, he wants to be with Milah.. He could have killed Belle many times during the episode but he didn’t and even when he shot her it was someplace he knew it wouldn’t kill her.
His attitude is just a mask, the man beyond the mask is broken. His revenge is basically done, Rumple lost Belle in a way..
About Archie
We know Archie knows about Bae and that he had a bad relationship with Rumple (told in the stranger) but I don’t think he told Hook about Bae, I think he might have mentioned Belle (not anything specific though), Hook already knew about Baelfire (he’s also Milah’s son remember) and he knew Milah made the shawl@Sarah_TN wrote:
I don’t find humor, pleasure, or satisfaction in seeing someone in the real world, or on my favorite tv show get hurt. I prefer Hook, but didn’t find pleasure in seeing Rumple hurt (emotionally) either. I don’t hate any of the characters. Life is too short to be that petty. There’s not an innocent party here. Two wrongs don’t make a right. They’re both at fault. Rumple started it, when he got revenge the first time. That happened the first time when he sold his soul, and the second time when he killed Milah. When will he learn that every evil thing he does will bring him more evil? When will Hook finally have someone who instead of a hand of hatred, will show him compassion and understanding? It’s amazing what can grow when the right seeds are sown. Negativity begets negativity. Right now, the show is really, really negative. I don’t see any hope on the horizon here anywhere, for anybody. I’m not okay with the show leaving it that way for Hook, or for Rumple. All that does, is take, take, take. It doesn’t give back anything and is emotionally draining for no good purpose or benefit. I’m feeling drained, and really low right now. 🙁 😥
This! You can’t say Hook is evil and then praise Rumple just like you can’t praise Hook and then go against Rumple..
They have both done evil things but they are both broken…Hook is a lot more broken because he hasnt let go of Milah and his revenge until now..
@Sarah_TN wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Was just posting in another thread about how he took that beating on the boat because he felt he deserved the pain, like it was a release for all the emotional pain he’s been dealing with since the day he failed to protect Milah.
For all the nasty crap he’s done, I can’t help it, my heart broke into a frillion pieces for the guy in this ep because his grief and anger is so all consuming and personally destructive.
I agree. In the end, both Hook and Rumple paid the price for their hatred and unforgiveness. Surely they can’t just leave it there! For either of them! I had so much trouble sleeping last night. I know this is just a tv show, but it hurt!
Yes! Deep down he’s not a villain he’s just a broken man who has made a lot of wrong decisions.. I know they will find a way for them to get Belle’s memory back so I’m not all worried about that.. I am worried about Killian
Hook has just hit rock bottom and he needed to hit it.. the only way he can go is up
I think Emma is going to play a part in helping him get out of the hole he is in..They are very similar people, kindred souls , and she knows what is like to be broken so I do think she’s going to be the one to help him
Plus they did say he was going to fall with the good crowd which I'm thinking it's the charmings, plus it will allow Killian and Emma to get closer and he is going to one of her suitors this season
This line broke me but I love it
Hook: Kill me like you did Milah, then I’ll finally be reunited with her
@NONNIE wrote:
@Elle wrote:
Least Favorite Moment
There was one more I forgot….
Belle and Rumpelstiltskin just letting Captain Hook go. I’m happy that he was spared and all, but they could have easily tied him up amd called Emma to come and arrest him.
THEY did suffer due to that oversight… see what happens when you are selfish?
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.and leaving the gun behind it’s like seriously rookie mistake
@magic bean wrote:
@Maiqu20 wrote:
I love how they are showing us how much he sucks at being a villain…Maybe it’s because deep down he’s not a villain he’s just a man looking for his revenge
I love that fight with Emma..It’s so glaringly obvious he lost on purpose
I agree 100%. He is an anti-villian. He is a man who is broken- imagine how you would feel if your love was killed and died in your arms. I know I would be pretty traumatized and would want revenge. Before Milah, he was just a man who was carefree and wanted to experience life to the fullest.
They have purposefully made him to ‘suck’ at being a villian because he is not a villian. Yes, in the sneak peek he said he wanted to kill Belle- but I truly believe it was just all talk. He only wants to hurt Rumple. To use Belle to lure Rumple to him.
The directors have even stated that he is not truly a villian- “He is either a villian in a heros body, or a hero in a villians body”. And it is this that makes him redeemable. No matter what anyone else says I believe he will be redeemed, once he begins to develop his feelings for Emma, which have already been revealed.As for the fight with Emma, I agree. I mean he even stuck his sword in the sand when Emma was on the ground so he could grab her leg! He had about 6 opportunites to kill her. And I love what the writers have done, with how they contrasted how in the past Hook was going to kill Belle for no reason, and showed how he resfuses to even harm Emma. -Again redeemable qualities 🙂
I have to stop now before I write a whole 2 pages on this 😀
I’m just going to say it..I love you 😆
Yes to all this post!! He is the most easily redeemable of all the shows villains…he’s the Han Solo of OUAT at the moment
