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MatthewPaul
ModeratorWith Rumple, it’s less about overcoming his cowardly nature and more about healing the wounds from being that abandoned little boy. This why the S3A finale is so important. Not only was it the end of Pan, but it was a visual representation of this son/father issue. Rumple is able to tell Bae that he’s sorry and that he loves him while simulatenously killing his father BUT while kissing him goodbye in forgiveness. It literally kills his father and metaphorically kills the abandonment and pain he felt when Malcolm left.
You know, I’ve been wondering if a reason why the writers have been struggling with Rumple since 3B has to do with how his sacrifice at the end of 3A very much felt like that’s where his story could have ended. Everything came full circle for Rumple at that very moment. Rumple had already patched things up with his son, and now he was confronting his father, which was where it all started. This was also the moment where Rumple finally put aside his habit of self preservation in favor of protecting his loved ones. His family came before his power, which was the entire point of his character arc.
However, both Adam and Eddy and ABC realized just how big of a draw Rumple is to the show, and weren’t content with losing him. Not only that, but the writers clearly prefer writing Rumple as a villain. Having Rumple remain a hero or neutral party just wasn’t going to cut it for them, and they needed a way to have him slide back. I guess a hero or neutral Rumple in a permanent capacity just isn’t interesting to the writers. That’s where killing Neal comes in. Having Zelena kill Neal and enslave Rumple with the dagger set the events that led to Rumple lying to Belle, and attempting to murder Zelena behind her back. So much of what Rumple had previously done was for his son, but he ultimately lost him in the end anyway.
With Season 4, the hat appeared as a golden opportunity to “cleave” himself from the dagger once and for all, but of course he wasn’t going to let Belle in on that either, as he had to absorb people into the hat and crush Hook’s heart in order to do it. Then came Belle banishing him from Storybrooke, Rumple’s heart suddenly dying, Rumple plotting to find the Author with the Queens of Darkness, etc. Rumple was stripped of being the Dark One at the end of Season 4, with many of us thinking perhaps that would be the end of evil Rumple once and for all. After all, Rumple during Season 4 went as dark as we thought he could go, or so we thought. His heart was dying as a result of centuries worth of using dark magic, after all.
With 5A, it certainly seemed like we were going to get the drama of Rumple being a mortal man again, and having to deal without magic. We got Emma shaping Rumple into a hero to pull Excalibur out from its stone. Rumple even faced Dark Hook in a sword fight, and proudly won without the use of magic. Then of course the 5A finale happened, and Rumple decided to become the Dark One once again, completely contradicting the whole point of that hero arc.
Wow, this turned out much longer than I had planned, but the gist of it is that the writers have been at a loss as to how to write Rumple since 3B.
[adrotate group="5"]MatthewPaul
ModeratorGreat post! As it stands right now, we don’t really know if there is a specific reason why Rumple wants the power again, other than for fear of being a coward. As a result, he definitely feels naturalized a bit. However, I do remember A&E saying something a couple months ago about how we will learn what’s going on in Rumple’s mind and why he took the darkness back.
If Rumple just wants the power, and doesn’t use it for manipulation or to hurt people (and only uses it to protect Belle and family), then you are right, we should not be condemning him for wanting to be “the dark one” and to have the power. The problem is, that with being the dark one, you not only have the power, but the darkness. It clearly can influence what you do and it has influenced him, Hook, and even Emma a little. But if he is able to harness the darkness and just use the power for self-defense, he should not be condemned as a villain.
But back to what I remember A&E saying, it seems a more direct explanation regarding Rumple’s “motives” (if I recall that is the word they used), is coming our way and perhaps that will rid Rumple of the naturalization you spoke of and give us a deeper understanding of why Rumple is doing what he is doing (justified or unjustified, good or bad), instead of just, I want power and that makes me evil because wanting power is evilz.
Here’s how Eddy explained it in a few interviews:
Kitsis: I think when he said goodbye to her, he really did it so she wouldn’t have to see what happens to him and everyone else. He wanted her to be safe from the darkness. It was a very genuine moment. And then what happened was a crime of opportunity where he saw a way to no longer have to die and go to the underworld, and I think in a lot of ways, what Hook was saying in the opening was that he loves that dagger and it’s a part of him.
Source: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-season-5-846454?utm_source=twitter
EK: You know, what I would say is we saw the true Rumple which was he did what was best for Belle, the person that he loves and he got her out of town. And then, he thought he would never seen her again, he thought he would have to die that day and be sent to the Underworld a place that does not have good memories or good people waiting for him and so it became a crime of opportunity where he saw a way out. I think you know that is who Rumpelstiltskin is, he is a guy who finds the loop hole and exploits it when it suits him best.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorI definitely hear a bit of Rumple’s theme at the beginning of this video
Well if is 514, then is a Rumple episode, the Milah one i think.
Yep, 514 is the Rumple centric, so it makes sense that his theme would be in the episode’s score.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorI definitely hear a bit of Rumple’s theme at the beginning of this video, though:
These chords halfway thru are huge. No, they're YUGE. Wow. 🙌🙌 so YUGE. @OnceABC #OUATmusic pic.twitter.com/ZMxbzi51dc
— Mark Isham (@markisham) February 10, 2016
MatthewPaul
ModeratorThat’s what I’m hoping for, but knowing the writers, they may not be able to resist doing a “what if they actually met as kids this entire time” twist.
Uhh I really hope not. The only way I’m ok with that is if they were young and they do meet, but they don’t know who they are. Regina just remembers meeting a girl from OZ and vice versa. If I see a memory wipe from Cora, I will not be pleased.
I mean we just had a flashback of Hook reuniting with his father during the same time as the flashback from “Queen of Hearts”, even though it was very messy fitting those two flashbacks together. They even went through the trouble of having Brennan go under a sleeping curse in order to still be alive at that point. The writers have no problem coming up with contrived flashbacks, if they suit whatever the current story is, regardless if it feels contradictory to the show’s previously established mythology or not.
February 10, 2016 at 12:12 pm in reply to: Adam and Eddy Creating New Show for ABC Family – "Dead of Summer" #316404MatthewPaul
ModeratorSome OUAT alumni are joining the show. Elizabeth Mitchell (Ingrid) and Elizabeth Lail (Anna), who are of course both from OUAT’s Frozen arc:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/once-a-time-creators-reunite-863695
MatthewPaul
ModeratorIs there any chance that we see two separate stories here? We see Regina grow up with Cora and Zelena with her father and they don’t necessarily meet? It just gives us background on what shaped them to become the people they became and sheds light on some current present day stuff that happens in Storybrooke or the UW…just a thought. It would be better if they never had met before honestly.
That’s what I’m hoping for, but knowing the writers, they may not be able to resist doing a “what if they actually met as kids this entire time” twist.
MatthewPaul
ModeratorI wonder if that last one is music for Belle?
Not sure. Belle has a distinct theme, and I’m not hearing it there:
MatthewPaul
ModeratorGoodnight #Oncers! Thanks for tuning in! One more, because they can't all be scary… @OnceABC #OUATmusic pic.twitter.com/RqW2KlEPPj
— Mark Isham (@markisham) February 10, 2016
MatthewPaul
ModeratorSeason 5B of @OnceABC coming soon guys!! #OUATmusic pic.twitter.com/UJn0VV4vdO
— Mark Isham (@markisham) February 10, 2016
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