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WickedRegal* Am I understanding you right that you are saying it would be fine for Regina to “kill” Marion or more inadvertently just stand by and let her die knowing she could help- like in the snowmonster case. And that that would be okay for her to do ? then she would be “Good Regina” no longer a villain, and well on her way to redemption and finding her happy ending ??
How would that not put her right back in the Evil Queen role that she is trying to cast of herself?
As you say, the situation is what it is. Marion is there now, whether she was ment to or not. Its not up to Regina to deside on “Fate’s” behalf what is supposed to be or not…
WickedRegal wrote:
But at the end of the day, you must admit that it wasn’t entirely her own doing! And that’s the issue some Evil Regals have with Oncers, who don’t want to look at the fact that Regina was probably the one villain dealt the crappiest hand! Once again…not taking away the choices she made, or the responsibilities on her shoulders, but the fact remains that she was backed into a corner with no other way to react without losing, so she did whatever she had to do.
I dont think any one is denying that the making of the Evil Queen was not entirely Regina’s own doing. I for sure agree that there are many factors that play in to it. Most People dont set out to be evil villains because they enjoy hurting other people.. circumstances, the choices of the people around Regina and Reginas own choices all played into the molding of the Evil Queen.
So we agree ! I think where the difference comes in, is in where we put the emphasis and what story we think is important to tell about her. And I believe it is important to give Regina the power in her own life because she is the only one that can change it for the better, she is the only one that can quit being the victim.
RG wrote:
I guess what I’m trying to say, over all, is that when we cover up our favorite’s actions we actually reduce their character and take something away from them. We should acknowledge the horrible nature of Regina’s past actions because they show us how far she’s come. If you simply white wash her away with “she’s a victim and I can see the bright side of everything she’s ever done” then I think you do a disservice to her character. You aren’t called Evil Regals for nothing. You feel in love with Regina, the Evil Queen, the woman in all black who dared to walk into a wedding and curse everyone. We celebrate her snarkiness and her cunning but we can’t go so far as to white wash away her crimes in order to, subconsciously I think, make her into someone we should like
Preach ! yes yes I agree with this 🙂
Hmm for my part WR I guess I just have to say I disagree with you alot on the Regina character. But we love her the same 🙂
Long Live the Queen ♥
But see the hard thing about all of this is…most of Regina’s back and forth stems from mistakes on the Charming’s end.
Think about it…
Regina was evil in S1, the most bad(beep) villainess ever! But it all stemmed from that one single moment where Snow White tells her secret. Had Snow kept the secret, and sure Cora was a master manipulator, but still…anyone above the age of 8 should be able to keep a secret. Heck, I’m still keeping my friend’s secret from when we were in the fourth grade, so Snow White knew what a secret was…it’s just she could never keep quiet about anything. And that is proven when she blurted out the Neal being alive secret in NL….#SecretSnow will never stay a secret.
You CAN NOT be serious in blaming an 8 year old kid for telling a secret. She was a kid… they doo that. And she did it thinking she was doing something good. Snow telling Cora about Daniel was one step on the road to why Regina became evil, but it was non the less NOT the fault of kid Snowwhite.
In EF, being married to man thrice your age, while raising the child who ratted you out…where was the option? Before that, running away from a marriage, and risk being poor, homeless, and lonely for the rest of your days, but a “kind” Wizard offers to teach you magic, but all you have to do is stay. Where was the option? The only “Good” option Regina had was the Tavern and Robin, but Rumple scared the heck out of her with the “anger is all you’ll have” and “fate is sealed to be dark”.
That her fate was Sealed for her to be the evil Queen was what she believed and that she believed it, was the problem I agree on that.
Then we move onto S2, Regina was doing good for Henry, on her best behavior! Heck she had even started to bond a little with her son-in-law! Yet right when Regina saves their lives, Snow and Emma come back…Regina not only is neglected from the party by her own son, and family. Thank God Emma had the decency to invite Regina, and at least try to make her feel comfortable, even though she was being ignored. Then we’re onto the Cricket Game where the Charmings take the memories of a dog rather than Regina’s memories…and not only tried to trap her, but accuse her of killing Archie. That was definitely a set back, and it was too late to apologize as Cora found Regina first, and Regina craving love the way she does, gives in and decides to help her mother. Then mother dies, and Regina learns the Charmings are planning to take her son away, and abandon her in SB.
Finally we get to S3, where Regina is hero at last. Fighting like hell in NL to save her son, and fighting like hell to stop her sister. All is good, and all is well till the moment Rumple kills Zelena, opens time portal, Emma brings back Marian, and poof! Happily ever after snatched in one night.
Now I’m not taking away Regina’s hand in her choices,
maybe not but it sounds to me like you are taking away her personal responsibility and that IMO is not doing her a favor that is keeping her in a victim role. Just like she kept herself in a victim role for along time which was why she was unable to let go of the powerful persona that being the Evil Queen was to her.
but given the circumstances she was dealt with…what else was she supposed to do?
There are always more choices, its not just one or the other
S1, let Emma break the curse, take her son, and let SB kill her? S2, suffer under SB scrutiny and deal with the Charmings not trusting her, and being the loneliest/hated girl in town. Where were her options? She did what she did best, fight for her happy ending. I’m sorry…I just didn’t see what options Regina really had, because it appeared that if she hadn’t fought for her happy ending, she’d be miserable for the rest of her days.
Again, I think I said this somewhere else, but I really dont think taking Reginas responsibility for her own life and choices away from her is any good. That makes it much worse really. We can still have compassion and understanding for her, even if it was her own responsibility that she became the Evil Queen.
A note: I’m asking the above because Grimmsister in the Rumple thread brought up something: is he too far gone? so if Regina stumbles, is she too far gone? Can Regina ever been reformed and redeemed to the point where anything she does will be glossed over or forgiven
Depends on what she does doesnt it? What I mean by Rumple perhaps being to far gone is that he would never be able to forgive himself and believe he could be someone without the Dark One personality hanging over him and that belief making him take bad choices for himself.
We have seen Regina being able to let go of “The evil Queen” and do something good for others. That was her taking responsibility for her own act. She was “Redeemed” In her own eyes, but that didnt happen until she saw that other people like Henry, Snow and Robin didnt see her as the Evil Queen but they saw her as Regina, so at that moment she was also redeemed in their eyes. She still is. Now it is just a matter of whether she will be able to hold on to that during this mess with Robin and Marian. I Hope that for her.
Oh Regina! The ever complicated and estranged figure who must go through so much trouble (brought on herself alot by her own choices) to find any happiness. She is pretty much the only reason I still like watching the show and I credit that mostly to the wonderfull way Parrilla portrays her.
Just some quick comments on some of the stuff that has been talked about on the thread the last couple days. In my opinion Regina has her fate in her hands and she makes her own choices, if she could only realize that fully (like she did doo in the second to last ep when she defeated Zelena and became the “moment-hero” she wouldnt have to keep that view of herself as the victim of her Destiny to remain the Evil Queen and she could be wh she chose to be. That is what I hope she will have realized by now, so that she doesnt revert to much back into her old ways of making bad choices for herself.
I think a hero is not something you become and then remain that for the rest of your life. Being a Hero is just as much a label to attach to a person as the label of Evil Queen. Being a hero must come act by act. You can do a hero act one day and then not the next.. there is always the step of taking the choice to be it from one act to the next. So Regina can be a hero if she want to.
Soul mate or True loves. Well Im not really sure how they define the difference on the show or if they even give much thought to there being a difference or not ? But I would say my own definitions of it is that-
soul mates are someone who are similar in there core beings and have lived the same kind of experiences and therefor relate to eachother on a different level, because they can fully understand eachother. If that is the official Once definition Im not really sure how Robin can be Reginas soulmate since he was never “evil” but seems to have lived a pretty honourable life atleast by what we know so far. But I can see them having similar “core-beings” or souls 😉 in terms of what Regina was before she became the Evil Queen, so in that sense we can see it as Robin helping Regina find her way back to being that part of herself Again and letting the memories and experiences of being the Evil Queen slide into the background.
True loves. I say is BS, but the show Says different I know. People can be made for eachother on a Destiny type of level. Like Charming and Snow are. If that is the definition. Then I can see Regina and Robin being that since that is just a matter of the writing team writing them as that and nothing more.
To RG’s question. Who should be ruler of EF if they ever go back? Well to that I hope they would have learned enough from this World to know the best thing would be to have a democratic election 🙂 and let the people themselves deside who should be their “Queen” /Ruler.
